TA Top up pay on Operations

#1
Does anyone know to what level civilian salarys will be matched on deployment? What I mean is, to what ceiling will a Pte, Lcpl, Cpl or Sgt expect?

Info would be appreciated
 
#2
VS,

As of April this year everyone gets their civilian pay matched up to £200,000 apart from consultant surgeons, who can get more. It's no longer based on expenditure.

msr
 
#3
Well don#t quote me on this as you should direct your questions to the appropriate office in your unit, but if you are called up you should expect them to pay up to 20% over the normal rate for your rank & quals if you can prove that you earn more. If they need you and you NEED more than that to keep yourself off the bread line you can apply to have that topped up, but they will only take into account general living expences, mortguages and other monthly repayments you are committed to, not that you save money or always take three holidays a year or are just about to buy another house etc.

If you are volunteering? Well, that's a whole different game and you are only likely to get your normal pay.
 
#5
PP,

The rules have changed: They match your pay now, not your outgoings.

You can also claim for increased house insurance, if your house is empty during your deployment, and for a gardener.

msr
 
#6
Things have changed recently (search this forum for more if you're that interested, see Financial Assistance Consultation thread and the many whinging about Chilwell). The old system of Reservists Standard and Hardship Allowances based on salary cut-off points by rank and means testing has been binned - as it was pants. So any advice you receive that burbles on along those lines can be ignored. If your unit hasn't caught up yet then you'll need to do some discreet education - but in any case Chilwell will be the final arbiter so don't get too depressed if your PSAO is being a mong (as if that would ever happen).

The new system is much simpler and as mentioned above applies to salaries below around 200K. Simply produce your payslips/P60s and you'll get your civvy salary. You can then also apply for extra money if you are hit by extra costs as a result of mobilisation - childcare, extra insurance for an empty property, that sort of thing. This will be closely scrutinised and so have the paperwork necessary to justify your claim to hand. Don't expect to make anything, but in theory you shouldn't lose out either. Experience would tend to suggest that you need to be prepared to push your claim firmly and not accept being messed around by the jobsworths who sadly can be found in the system. Hence I'll repeat the advice to get your paperwork sorted out and to hand before arrival at Chilwell. Take copies etc as well, always useful.

If your military pay is more than your civvy salary then you are not affected by any of the above, you get the military rate.

And finally the above only applies to compulsory mobilisation. If you volunteer then you get nothing, as the system assumes that you wouldn't be volunteering if it was a problem.

The new system addressed the complaints that getting compulsorily mobilising the TA soldier to a war zone in peacetime and then penalising him financially was unlikely to aid retention and recruitment. If applied sensibly it should make mobilisation cost-neutral to the soldier which is after all not unreasonable for a peacetime deployment because the Regular Army can't cope with peacetime taskings.

It does raise the interesting prospect of future mobilisation lists being drawn up with an eye to the wages bill as well as everything else.
 
#8
msr said:
PP,

The rules have changed: They match your pay now, not your outgoings.

You can also claim for increased house insurance, if your house is empty during your deployment, and for a gardener.

msr
Okay, point taken, but I did say "don't quote me..." and advised that the question should be put to the appropriate office. So in these 'new rules', is there a difference between 'compulsory call-up' and 'volunteer' tours?
 
#10
So I'm a cleaner and earn £9K a year. My mate (same rank and trade) is a super consultant on £100K a year.

Does that mean a life of Mobilisations for me?
 
#11
StabTiffy2B said:
So I'm a cleaner and earn £9K a year. My mate (same rank and trade) is a super consultant on £100K a year.

Does that mean a life of Mobilisations for me?

Might be better than being a cleaner!!

You're presuming that the system is good enough to make the choice and that they are not completely strapped for the next five years!!. It's still cheaper than a regular.
 
#12
Plant-Pilot said:
msr said:
PP,

The rules have changed: They match your pay now, not your outgoings.

You can also claim for increased house insurance, if your house is empty during your deployment, and for a gardener.

msr
Okay, point taken, but I did say "don't quote me..." and advised that the question should be put to the appropriate office. So in these 'new rules', is there a difference between 'compulsory call-up' and 'volunteer' tours?
I imagine it must cost an absolute fortune for compulsory call ups. Does anyone know what the rate is from volunteer to compulsory? I imagine most would, if volunteering lose out on salarys so would wait for complusory.
 
#13
Vonshot said:
Plant-Pilot said:
msr said:
PP,

The rules have changed: They match your pay now, not your outgoings.

You can also claim for increased house insurance, if your house is empty during your deployment, and for a gardener.

msr
Okay, point taken, but I did say "don't quote me..." and advised that the question should be put to the appropriate office. So in these 'new rules', is there a difference between 'compulsory call-up' and 'volunteer' tours?
I imagine it must cost an absolute fortune for compulsory call ups. Does anyone know what the rate is from volunteer to compulsory? I imagine most would, if volunteering lose out on salarys so would wait for complusory.
See my earlier response - I am unaware that there is any difference. You may "volunteer" but it is processed as compulsory in order to enact the legislation and the various benefits. I don't believe this principle has changed even with the increasing levels of mobilisation.
 
#14
It used to be the case that unless there's a major (world or defense of the UK) war you can only be called up for so long in every 5 years, even if you volunteer. Something to do with pensions provision or some such.
 
#15
Plant-Pilot said:
It used to be the case that unless there's a major (world or defense of the UK) war you can only be called up for so long in every 5 years, even if you volunteer. Something to do with pensions provision or some such.
The RFA limit is once in every 3 years. The MOD has published a desired state of once in every five years (for employers consumption more than anything else) but the once in three remains a legal option if circumstances require. it has nothing to do with 'volunteering' as such. You could go more often if you volunteer (which would be deemed compulsory anyway - see earlier comments) but the maximum for complusory (i.e against your will) is one in three.
 

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#16
Yep, just wait for HERRICK next year - it's already pretty clear that any big mobilisation would blow a hole in the 1 in 5 'Rule', even before it is legally established.

Edited for my stupidity - HERRICK, not JACANA. Why don't they give these sensible names, like Op Certain Death?
 
#17
If memory serves there are two kinds of mobilisation - compulsory and voluntary. Compensation applies to compulsory only. HOWEVER, you can volunteer to be compulsorily mobilised which is treated as compulsory mobilisation. Hence the confusion over exactly how voluntary volunteering is. I'm not aware of anyone actually being voluntarily mobilised as opposed to compulsorily (volunteer or not) so it's a moot point.

However, there still remains a chance that some employer could interpret your volunteering to be compulsorily mobilised as voluntarily leaving your job. It would take a court case - Industrial Tribunal I presume - to clarify which piece of employment law took precedence. If it isn't the RFA 1996 then you're stuffed but then you've had to fund the proceedings yourself as the MoD won't help so any victory may be phyrric.
 
#18
One_of_the_strange said:
If memory serves there are two kinds of mobilisation - compulsory and voluntary. Compensation applies to compulsory only. HOWEVER, you can volunteer to be compulsorily mobilised which is treated as compulsory mobilisation. Hence the confusion over exactly how voluntary volunteering is. I'm not aware of anyone actually being voluntarily mobilised as opposed to compulsorily (volunteer or not) so it's a moot point.

However, there still remains a chance that some employer could interpret your volunteering to be compulsorily mobilised as voluntarily leaving your job. It would take a court case - Industrial Tribunal I presume - to clarify which piece of employment law took precedence. If it isn't the RFA 1996 then you're stuffed but then you've had to fund the proceedings yourself as the MoD won't help so any victory may be phyrric.
That is of course providing that the law covers you at all, which in the case of the TA Troop in Hameln, Germany, it doesn't.
 
#19
One_of_the_strange said:
And finally the above only applies to compulsory mobilisation. If you volunteer then you get nothing, as the system assumes that you wouldn't be volunteering if it was a problem.
A random leaflet about Bosnia I was given this week stated that even if you volunteer, you get SABRE (Or whatever it's called) protection/pay matched etc - unless you opt for FTRS. (I'm not sure what the difference between a tour and FTRS would be though...
 

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