TA to be Cut to 15,000!!!!!!!

#1


March 16, 2008

TA to expel soldiers who won’t go to war

Michael Smith

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article3559757.ece

The Territorial Army is to force out thousands of weekend warriors who refuse to go to war. Defence chiefs want to turn the TA into a fully fledged fighting force of about 15,000 soldiers.

Although the target strength requirement of the TA is 42,000, the actual numbers are much lower at about 35,000 and it is haemorrhaging soldiers.

Data from a survey being compiled by King’s College London will be used to work out which members should go.

The Ministry of Defence (MoD) wants to get rid of what it sees as weekend warriors happy to wear the uniform but unwilling to fight, a Whitehall source said.

“The most worrying thing about the planned cuts to the TA is that a lot of those who have been prepared to serve in Iraq or Afghanistan are the ones who are leaving,” a source said.

“They are coming home and saying, ‘That’s it. I’ve done my bit, I’m off’. They are precisely the ones we want to keep.”

The MoD will this week announce the review of all four reserve forces: the TA, the Royal Navy Reserve, the Royal Auxiliary Air Force and the Royal Marines Reserve. A spokesman said it would focus on operations but denied that TA soldiers would be dismissed simply because they would not go to war. Some would still be required for training.

Of the 850 reservists serving on operations abroad, approximately 700 are in the TA, the highest number on overseas operations since the Korean war of the early 1950s. About 3,500 TA members employed in training will not be hit by the cull.
 
#2
Defence chiefs want to turn the TA into a fully fledged fighting force of about 15,000 soldiers.

Where the fcuk are we going to get another 10,000 from ? :D
 
#3
Styron said:


March 16, 2008

TA to expel soldiers who won’t go to war

Michael Smith

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article3559757.ece

The Territorial Army is to force out thousands of weekend warriors who refuse to go to war. Defence chiefs want to turn the TA into a fully fledged fighting force of about 15,000 soldiers.

Although the target strength requirement of the TA is 42,000, the actual numbers are much lower at about 35,000 and it is haemorrhaging soldiers.

Data from a survey being compiled by King’s College London will be used to work out which members should go.

The Ministry of Defence (MoD) wants to get rid of what it sees as weekend warriors happy to wear the uniform but unwilling to fight, a Whitehall source said.

“The most worrying thing about the planned cuts to the TA is that a lot of those who have been prepared to serve in Iraq or Afghanistan are the ones who are leaving,” a source said.

“They are coming home and saying, ‘That’s it. I’ve done my bit, I’m off’. They are precisely the ones we want to keep.”

The MoD will this week announce the review of all four reserve forces: the TA, the Royal Navy Reserve, the Royal Auxiliary Air Force and the Royal Marines Reserve. A spokesman said it would focus on operations but denied that TA soldiers would be dismissed simply because they would not go to war. Some would still be required for training.

Of the 850 reservists serving on operations abroad, approximately 700 are in the TA, the highest number on overseas operations since the Korean war of the early 1950s. About 3,500 TA members employed in training will not be hit by the cull.
I don't see this article anywhere else. Are you sure it's accurate?
The times is a respectable rag, dunno why there are so many facts wrong in the report. Seems odd.
 
#5
I read this too. Got no issues with it, it's a fairly open secret to start with. It doesn't go into the plans to make it simpler for Regulars to interchange with TA to avoid career fatigue. Nor whatever restructures and FTRS duties will fall out of the new direction.


It also does not bode well for the OTC funding, but it's over resourced as it stands anyhow.

Screw it.
 
#6
Sorry but which bit of "Territorial Army" are they not getting?


What about us that are willing to tour but have not yet had the opertunity to do so? I know regs that hve been in years and not done a tour, are they kicking them out as well? I dont think so!
What a load of cr ap. Yeah get rid of those that are just bumbing around and loving the uniform, not doing PT etc cause they are too fat. Leave the rest of us alone.
 
#14
I though I would add this comment from the Herald. Its in reply to a similar article published this morning:-

"Posted by: simonwessely, King's College London on 11:38am Mon 17 Mar 08
I have no idea whether this story is true or not. But, as the Director of the Kings Centre for Military Health Research which does indeed carry out large scale studies of the physical and psychological health of the UK Armed Forces, including regulars, reservists and veterans, what I can say categorically is that there are no circumstances whatsoever in which we would ever share any identifiable or individual data with the Ministry of Defence. To do so would break the law, our ethical approval and our own contracts. But even more importantly, it would violate the trust that exists between us and the many thousands of service personnel who have taken part in our studies. the results of those studies have already been used to improve support and welfare services for reservists and much else besides. I am happy to set the record straight and to reassure everyone that at least that part of the story is utterly and totally without foundation Professor Simon Wessely, Director King's Centre for Military Health Research, King's College London
 

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Prof Simon Wesseley is the man who did the research, and he is pretty damn pissed off that the Sunday Times, etc., has completely mis-used his research.

In other words, the STimes and DMail stories of cuts to 15,00 as a result of his research are complete lies and fabrications. I wouldn't normally say that, even on a website, but it's the case here. Someone is briefing against this Review of the TA before it even starts.

Question is, who? Who gains from this?

My money is on - well, I'll keep that quiet for now, but it's no-one involved in politics (other than at a local level)..........
 
#16
OldSnowy said:
Prof Simon Wesseley is the man who did the research, and he is pretty damn pissed off that the Sunday Times, etc., has completely mis-used his research.

In other words, the STimes and DMail stories of cuts to 15,00 as a result of his research are complete lies and fabrications. I wouldn't normally say that, even on a website, but it's the case here. Someone is briefing against this Review of the TA before it even starts.

Question is, who? Who gains from this?

My money is on - well, I'll keep that quiet for now, but it's no-one involved in politics (other than at a local level)..........
Fairly standard procedure of OTR briefings prior to any real announcements. I seem to remember the Sunday Times (and if I recall Michael Smith again) carrying the story in 1997ish about the disbandment of the HCMR and Kings Troop in the lead up to SDR.

The ploy is to circulate a worst case scenario which is bound to get a response and note where the complaints lie and who shouts loudest. Anything that gets no adverse reaction goes through on the nod.
 
#17
to be honest i wish this was true. we have some pie eating war dodgers who just turn up for the cash fail pt AND STILL GET BOUNTY. HOW!!!!!!!!
Whilst there are hard working people who cant go further cose these people wont move on.

there should be some kind of rule to get these people out as they give the T.A a bad name.
 
#18
ViperRLC said:
Sorry but which bit of "Territorial Army" are they not getting?
The bit that sits on its arse while others are off doing the job they trained for.


ViperRLC said:
What about us that are willing to tour but have not yet had the opertunity to do so?
1. Learn to fucking spell.
2. Learn to use the Internet or read one of the many trawl lists that come round TACs monthly.

There are plenty of opportunities out there for people who genuinely want to do the job they've trained for.


ViperRLC said:
I know regs that hve been in years and not done a tour, are they kicking them out as well? I dont think so!
Yes, that's right- the army hates the TA and favours the regulars. Grow up!!
If a regular soldier refuses to go on tour, the fucker is charged, jailed and discharged. They also don't get to choose which tours they want to go on- like the TA can do at the moment.


ViperRLC said:
What a load of cr ap. Yeah get rid of those that are just bumbing around and loving the uniform, not doing PT etc cause they are too fat. Leave the rest of us alone.
You may be an Olympic athlete, but if all you do is fuck about in the UK then you're not worth the money spent on you.
 
#19
Chibber,

How long have you been in the TA?
How long will you be in the TA?
Are you employed by a civilian company?
Are you employed?
Why don't you join the regulars?

etc.

'if you don't go on a tour and run around in the sand you're lazy fukcer, waste of space, white feather carrying bounty hunting, fat knacker'? yawn yawn yawn,

Get a life.
 
#20
Chibber, you are boring all of us.

msr
 

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