TA Taliban

#1
Interesting news item from BBC
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/8248101.stm

Not quite the '$10 a day' Taliban, but their motives are quite interesting, based on resistance to corrupt local policing, but also on insensitive actions by local US forces.

Disrupting the local irrigation system is a huge own goal.
 
#2
Is this part of their "One Jihadi" policy?

Do they do two week camps?
 

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#3
It's voluntary - all for the sake of God. We even buy fuel for the operations ourselves. And our own ammunition and bullets." ?
Don't let Brown read that FFS it'll give him ideas

Will some Taliban's mother appear in their version of the Sun moaning about having to buy her son kit ?

Perhaps they could start the Tabiees and have a once a year awards ceremony for best suicde attack etc
 
#6
BlueDanubeWalt said:
'STAB' still fits... :wink:
In 1984, on the Queen's Div TA Recruit Course 115, the Sgt Maj told us that it stood for “Strong True And Brave”, so I hardly think we should be applying it to the En. 8O
 
#7
I wouldnt worry too much about them. I presume that they will only be allowed to fight for 50 days a year anyway, what with the limitation on MTDs (Mujaheed Terror Days).


Oooooh. Is that my taxi?
 
#8
Bazzinho1977 said:
I wouldnt worry too much about them. I presume that they will only be allowed to fight for 50 days a year anyway, what with the limitation on MTDs (Mujaheed Terror Days).


Oooooh. Is that my taxi?
I hear they've cut back on live rounds and explosives during training as well; they just run up to the enemy and shout "Durkha-Durkha! Jihad!!"

Well, apart from the trainee Suicide Bombers. They just run up, shout "BANG!!!" at the top of their voice, then nip off for a fag break... :wink:
 
#9
Werewolf said:
Bazzinho1977 said:
I wouldnt worry too much about them. I presume that they will only be allowed to fight for 50 days a year anyway, what with the limitation on MTDs (Mujaheed Terror Days).


Oooooh. Is that my taxi?
I hear they've cut back on live rounds and explosives during training as well; they just run up to the enemy and shout "Durkha-Durkha! Jihad!!"

Well, apart from the trainee Suicide Bombers. They just run up, shout "BANG!!!" at the top of their voice, then nip off for a fag break... :wink:
The problem with sitting in an open plan office is that when you start laughing, everyone stops and asks you what is wrong, in case you are willing to brighten up their soul destroying day too. The problem with arrse is having to constantly say "oh nothing, you wouldn't get it".
 
#11
I guess you have to respect anyone who would fight man to man but with all the IEDs' being used you might start to feel abit different about how brave they are now.
 
#12
NinjaPenguin said:
I guess you have to respect anyone who would fight man to man but with all the IEDs' being used you might start to feel abit different about how brave they are now.
No different from calling air support to drop a 500lb LGB on an enemy position rather than assaulting it via route1.
 
#13
Other Militia Forces then. Hardly "TA Taliban." Just another branch of the resistance against us illegitimate invaders.

If it was The TA Taliban a large number of them would be fat, they would have you Talibs who would pay out all their pocket money on better personal kit than regular talibs and they would permanently have a photo of them in Talib kit as their facebook profile even though they make Naan bread for a living at The British Embassy.

They would spend their weekends training to fight the russians twenty years ago (Which makes sense) and would bleat if they were expected to get off after 1600hrs on a sunday. When they finally did get to take the fight to the enemy and deployed down south they would form sections and platoons and be tasked with stagging on at the Bazaar.
 
#14
NinjaPenguin said:
I guess you have to respect anyone who would fight man to man but with all the IEDs' being used you might start to feel abit different about how brave they are now.
Yeah because our anti tank tactics involve us running at a T-80 with a bayonet shouting "Freedom."

:roll:

The reason why we are so bitter about IED's is because we're not getting the chance to use similar devistatingly effective ambushing tactics in this particular campaign.
 
#15
NinjaPenguin said:
I guess you have to respect anyone who would fight man to man but with all the IEDs' being used you might start to feel abit different about how brave they are now.
Having completed Herrick 4 & 8 and going back out in February I'm sure I can make my own judgement how I feel about how brave the taliban are. Do you think the use of IED's against air power, artillery, overwhelming troop numbers, vastly superior firepower, intelligence gathering and personal protection evens those odds?
What would you have the taliban do? What would you do in their shoes (or flip flops?)
 
#16
Closet_Jibber said:
NinjaPenguin said:
I guess you have to respect anyone who would fight man to man but with all the IEDs' being used you might start to feel abit different about how brave they are now.
Yeah because our anti tank tactics involve us running at a T-80 with a bayonet shouting "Freedom."

:roll:

The reason why we are so bitter about IED's is because we're not getting the chance to use similar devistatingly effective ambushing tactics in this particular campaign.
I would argue the bitterness within the military is derived from the anger that 'we' have both the knowledge and the capacity to deal with the IED issue, but are unable to do so due to the political strategy being forced upon the troops and the dire lack of resources.
 
#17
Fallschirmjager said:
NinjaPenguin said:
I guess you have to respect anyone who would fight man to man but with all the IEDs' being used you might start to feel abit different about how brave they are now.
Having completed Herrick 4 & 8 and going back out in February I'm sure I can make my own judgement how I feel about how brave the taliban are. Do you think the use of IED's against air power, artillery, overwhelming troop numbers, vastly superior firepower, intelligence gathering and personal protection evens those odds?
What would you have the taliban do? What would you do in their shoes (or flip flops?)


Dress like him and CHARRRRGGGGGEEE!!!!
 
#18
whitecity said:
I would argue the bitterness within the military is derived from the anger that 'we' have both the knowledge and the capacity to deal with the IED issue, but are unable to do so due to the political strategy being forced upon the troops and the dire lack of resources.
I would disagree. The only capability we have to deal with the IED issue is to Zig instead of Zag.

I would quite happily read stories of us employing IED's against the taliban if the situation arose. They are the answer to all your armour destroying needs and the only questions that needs asking once you know where your target is going to be is 'How big shall we make the bang?'

Like a sniper can reach out and touch a person without him ever knowing what just happened an IED can do the same to an armoured vehicle.

Distasteful? Very. Good Tactics? The results speak for themselves.
 
#19
Closet_Jibber said:
I would disagree. The only capability we have to deal with the IED issue is to Zig instead of Zag.

I would quite happily read stories of us employing IED's against the taliban if the situation arose. They are the answer to all your armour destroying needs and the only questions that needs asking once you know where your target is going to be is 'How big shall we make the bang?'

Like a sniper can reach out and touch a person without him ever knowing what just happened an IED can do the same to an armoured vehicle.

Distasteful? Very. Good Tactics? The results speak for themselves.
The best counter-IED tactic is to prevent the bloody things being placed in the first place. That means dominating the battlespace with boots and the right social/moral/political game plan. UK forces have the knowledge and capacity to deliver both. HMG is unwilling/unprepared to provide the resources and appropriate political leadership.
 
#20
Since I started this dog running, I'll stick in my two-pennyworth.
I'm not STAB bashing, partly cos I are one.

What is interesting is that the Talibs in the article are the kind of people you would think would be utterly loyal to their paymaster. Snivel Serpents (and I have been one of them as well) generally know what side their bread is buttered.

The article implies that the Afghan Govt is compromised at all levels, similar to the Government of South Vietnam or Vichy France. These guys are hedging their bets in all directions, but OPSEC in theatre is almost cetainly very suspect.

Looking at their motives, it seems to be the usual 1) Initial optimism, folowed by 2) Disgust at local government corruption with the connivance of central government, followed by 3) Ingrained xenophobia and clumsy actions by foreign forces, Leading to 4) Slow drift towards shifting sides.

I don't think that these guys are entirely lost to us. They've turned their coats with the prevailing wind, but if more of their local concerns could be addressed, they could be won back.
 
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