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TA/Soldier Number

#1
Greetings all,

Am new to the forums, and also a new recruit to the TA, have been sworn in for about 8 weeks now.

However, have a slight query that couldnt find an answer for in the FAQ, nor could anyone at my unit answer straight.

It is my understanding that in order to be issued my kit and to be able to participate in weekend exercises, then I need to be in possession of my TA/Soldier number, which I am told I shall receive through the post. The big blank is centred on when this will happen, as people I asked at my unit gave a range of answers form “could take weeks” to “could take months”, so I am non the wiser. Whats the average waiting time for this as I understand I’m missing out on exercises and I believe the TAFS part I is soon to commence and it’s annoying knowing that I’m going to miss out on these, as well as the fact that Im restricted in what I can do when attending during weeknights.

Thanks for your help.

Methtical
 
#2
I have PM'd you
 
#4
A concern point being that if indeed it takes months for it to be issued, then that greatly reduces the amount of time I have to fulfill the minimum requirement at the very least. As much as I will attempt to attend all the exercises I can (and not just for the sake of fulfilling the min.req) its a bit unreasonable to be placed into a situation where I;d have to do weekend after weekend in a row.

Also, why in the hell does it take so long. I was told it was due to security checks, but isnt that what the CRB check was for?? I mean it took over 6 weeks for that to be processed....
 
#5
I was under the impression that once you had been sworn in then you could do the training weekends, you just didn't get paid til you got your number sorted out.
 
#7
stabandswat said:
I was under the impression that once you had been sworn in then you could do the training weekends, you just didn't get paid til you got your number sorted out.
you can't train,your not insured ,you do at your peril,the big green machine will disown you,that's a fact
 
#8
As soon as attestation is done you may train to your hearts content, as long as the paperwork for attestation is completed. That came straight from the BRAT teams horses mouth. Fact.
 
#9
I was also informed that no number = no insurance and thus was the reason I am limited in the scope of training and seems to be the policy at my unit.

Whilst I'll grit my teeth an bear it, I think it should be noted that its quite discuraging to new recruits who are eager to get stuck in, but are held back by this fact. I mean, after 3 months of being attested and reflecting on what you;ve done thus far, the answers going to be pretty much FA.
 
#10
Speak (through your CoC) to your PSAO mate, someone somewhere is putting up the big umbrella and just covering their arrse. I attended the BRAT team seminar last week and can assure you that once attested you are covered by insurance.
 

Sixty

ADC
Moderator
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#11
devilish said:
As soon as attestation is done you may train to your hearts content, as long as the paperwork for attestation is completed. That came straight from the BRAT teams horses mouth. Fact.

Have to agree with Devilish. After being attested I did my first TAFs weekend 3 weeks later and there were a few of us without a number and the rest of the attendees who'd had theirs within a couple of weeks.

They certainly didn't stop us training.
 
#12
I got attested on a Tuesday and I was away on TAFS1 that Friday. I didn't have anything issued, I was handed some kit (clothing only plus a doss bag) from the recruit store and sent on my merry way. I didn't get my army number for a couple of months after that.
 

RP578

LE
Book Reviewer
#13
Methtical said:
I was also informed that no number = no insurance and thus was the reason I am limited in the scope of training and seems to be the policy at my unit.
Absolute nonsense. Your PSAO and/or AO should havegotten on top of this. Once you are attested you become one of HM's soldiers. When your pay is sorted out you will be retrospectively paid from the date of attestation.

The ARCADE system generates your Regt'l number (or what it refers to as an MoD number) within a couple of days. When that number is generated, your AO will fill that number on all your attestation paperwork and forward it to APC Glasgow along with all the rest of your enlistment docs. APC should reply within a week or two to say that you can be taken on strength, or that your paperwork is incorrect and needs amendments.

Even in a case where a candidate was elisted and subsequantly attested incorrectly i.e. he should not have been allowed to join the TA, they still have to be taken on strength to be discharged.

Don't know what 'facts' bampot's working from, but as long as you complete some form of signing in sheet then you are covered by the Army's insurance.
 
#14
RP578 said:
Methtical said:
I was also informed that no number = no insurance and thus was the reason I am limited in the scope of training and seems to be the policy at my unit.
Absolute nonsense. Your PSAO and/or AO should havegotten on top of this. Once you are attested you become one of HM's soldiers. When your pay is sorted out you will be retrospectively paid from the date of attestation.

The ARCADE system generates your Regt'l number (or what it refers to as an MoD number) within a couple of days. When that number is generated, your AO will fill that number on all your attestation paperwork and forward it to APC Glasgow along with all the rest of your enlistment docs. APC should reply within a week or two to say that you can be taken on strength, or that your paperwork is incorrect and needs amendments.

Even in a case where a candidate was elisted and subsequantly attested incorrectly i.e. he should not have been allowed to join the TA, they still have to be taken on strength to be discharged.

Don't know what 'facts' bampot's working from, but as long as you complete some form of signing in sheet then you are covered by the Army's insurance.
you know and i know what you said at the begining is a lot of "JACKANORY",I've never known anybody to get a mil number/and taken on strength in the space two weeks.once it leaves a units chief clerks office it's in the hand's of the gods. unless your camped on the door step of the apc.some times it could take up to 6 months and beyond to get a military no.taken on strength,then paid-possibly 12 months in total. by that time ,they're pissed of and are last seen heading east.
 
#15
I got a first issue kit on a 'zero' number ie 00000000, until my number came through. At my last unit, the RRTT gave the recruits the kit they needed from their own store, and they wore civvies on parade nights until their number came through and they got uniform. Btw.. getting a number doesn't necessarily mean pay comes with it.....
 
#16
Dear Methtical,

Up to attestation a recruit is covered by Look at Life (LaL) insurance. Recruits should be booked in and out of the TAC, and the PSAO should formally record that the evenings (or days) were designated as LaL. All Open Days/Intake Nights etc should be so designated.

Attestation takes place once all paperwork is complete and satisfactory answers have been given to any grey areas and after the medical.

From the moment of Attestation the recruit is covered for insurance purposes in the same way and to the same degree as other TA personnel.

The recruit can sign the paysheet for the evening on which they were attested, but previous evenings/days cannot be claimed. If this isn't the case please keep it to yourself!

The paperwork goes off to Glasgow. There are various ways in which it can happen but a number is married up with your paperwork and entered by Glasgow up there.

Either before this or afterwards unit is notified of your number.

In the period between you attesting and your number coming back down the chain you sign the paysheet, but your pay claim will not (cannot) be processed.

Once the number is back in the unit, the admin office will then automatically input all the days to date at the next monthly processing (normally about 5th of the month). Around 13 days later you get your back pay.

Several things can go wrong:

1. You lie on your application and things come out and have to be investigated.
2. Your paperwork is incomplete.
3. As a student or migratory type of person, your proof of identity cannot be verified or it takes longer than normal to do so. e.g. You have been in your current place for a month, haven't got any bills yet and are not on the voters roll, the last place was a squat, the one before a hall of residence etc.
4. You come up as an undesirable for some reason and this needs to be investigated. e.g. there were 2 John Smith's in the same house, one was virtuous, kind to fluffy animals and an all round good egg whilst the other was a fraudulent pervert etc.
5. You wrote down your bank details incorrectly or just guessed.

Roughly it seems to take from 3 weeks (a good team) to 6 months, with the average taking about 6 weeks. Your Civilian Admin Clerk is probably best placed to check with since they will input your details and will therefore KNOW whether a number has arrived and been actioned or not.

Please and thank you are nice.

From the month in which you first get paid, your pay will be inputted on a monthly basis (approx 5th of each month). It is your responsibility to ensure that you sign the paysheet each time you attend, and to ensure that you have explicit permission from your PSAO (some units do this differently) to undertake any individual training, and to ensure that you report to someone responsible when you undertake this training.

Note: If you attest and then do a camp - RT cadre or whatever quite quickly, DO NOT assume you will receive a manual cash payment. Depending on exactly which stage your paperwork is at and whether you have been allocated a number unbelievably quickly, your paperwork could be sent to Glasgow. The Unit cannot make a cash payment if this is the case. (This is what I've been told).

If the delay is more than 6 weeks then it is best to inform your Pl/Tp Comd (one or two pips), and ask to see the OC (Major, a crown), and to check with the Civilian Admin Clerk.

A short polite note to your PSAO can ensure he/she is aware of the problem.

Hope this helps.

GH
 

RP578

LE
Book Reviewer
#18
Yes stabandswat you were right; a recruit can commence training after attestation.

bampot said:
RP578 said:
Methtical said:
I was also informed that no number = no insurance and thus was the reason I am limited in the scope of training and seems to be the policy at my unit.
Absolute nonsense. Your PSAO and/or AO should havegotten on top of this. Once you are attested you become one of HM's soldiers. When your pay is sorted out you will be retrospectively paid from the date of attestation.

The ARCADE system generates your Regt'l number (or what it refers to as an MoD number) within a couple of days. When that number is generated, your AO will fill that number on all your attestation paperwork and forward it to APC Glasgow along with all the rest of your enlistment docs. APC should reply within a week or two to say that you can be taken on strength, or that your paperwork is incorrect and needs amendments.

Even in a case where a candidate was elisted and subsequantly attested incorrectly i.e. he should not have been allowed to join the TA, they still have to be taken on strength to be discharged.

Don't know what 'facts' bampot's working from, but as long as you complete some form of signing in sheet then you are covered by the Army's insurance.
you know and i know what you said at the begining is a lot of "JACKANORY",I've never known anybody to get a mil number/and taken on strength in the space two weeks.once it leaves a units chief clerks office it's in the hand's of the gods. unless your camped on the door step of the apc.some times it could take up to 6 months and beyond to get a military no.taken on strength,then paid-possibly 12 months in total. by that time ,they're pissed of and are last seen heading east.
OK, here goes.

The system for processing recruits is now done through a central computerised system called ARCADE. ARCADE assigns each recruit a temporary recruit number for admin purposes. When the recruit has been attested, this is duly noted on ARCADE which then sets about generating an MoD number for the recruit.

Concurrently the paperwork will have been sent off to APC Glasgow and it is there that authority to take on strength is given. Whilst a recruit's Army number may have been generated within days (as it can be now) the admin staff may not be pass it on till the ToS authority has been given (if indeed they bother pulling the number off ARCADE till s/he's been ToS'ed). This usually takes anywhere between a month to two months.

I highlighted the comment of yours above because being taken on strength and having an army number assigned to you, are not synonymous.

If it's taking you 6 months to get a recruit ToS, I suggest you have a closer look at how the recruit admin is being handled. The most common hold ups are due to incorrectly filled enlistment documents. The new ARCADE system is not fool proof and has a number of glitches, but as a concept it is a step forward from when I joined up.


p.s. Should add here that I'm not a clerk (mil or civ), but have been up to my eyeballs in recruit admin once before and am now finding myself back there again.
 
#20
I just did my first weekend with the TA. My joining papers had "Not Yet Known" next to "Number:".

When I arrived, I had a "Q" number. The guy at the guard post looked at when I arrived asked if I was a man or a woman.

I am not a girl, I do not look like one, and I have an unequivocally male name.

Still, welcome to the Army, eh?

FF.
 

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