TA -> Regular Officer

#1
Firstly, sorry if this should have been posted in the TA section or has been discussed elsewhere - I did search and couldn't find anything.

I would like to join the army as an officer but am 27 years old and received a letter explaining that my application would be halted because the likelihood of me being accepted to start the commissioning course before my reaching the upper age limit is almost non existent.

I would still like to join but am now considering the TA as a more likely (only) option.

My question is:
If I progress to become an officer in the TA can I then "transfer" to being a regular officer even though by that time I would be over the age limit? As you know, the TA age limit for becoming an officer is more flexible and set at 30+ for most branches. Indeed, is it common for TA soldiers or officers to become regulars?

I hope that my question/s are clear. Thanks in advance!
 
#2
Firstly, sorry if this should have been posted in the TA section or has been discussed elsewhere - I did search and couldn't find anything.

I would like to join the army as an officer but am 27 years old and received a letter explaining that my application would be halted because the likelihood of me being accepted to start the commissioning course before my reaching the upper age limit is almost non existent.

I would still like to join but am now considering the TA as a more likely (only) option.

My question is:
If I progress to become an officer in the TA can I then "transfer" to being a regular officer even though by that time I would be over the age limit? As you know, the TA age limit for becoming an officer is more flexible and set at 30+ for most branches. Indeed, is it common for TA soldiers or officers to become regulars?

I hope that my question/s are clear. Thanks in advance!
TA officers can transfer to being regular Officers, however it's normal for them to have to attend the full commissioning course at Sandhurst like any other entrant, so check with an AFCO but I imagine the same age limits apply when moving over to regular service.

This applied even to guys I knew who'd done a long period of full time reserve service as troop commanders.
 
#3
Firstly, sorry if this should have been posted in the TA section or has been discussed elsewhere - I did search and couldn't find anything.

I would like to join the army as an officer but am 27 years old and received a letter explaining that my application would be halted because the likelihood of me being accepted to start the commissioning course before my reaching the upper age limit is almost non existent.

I would still like to join but am now considering the TA as a more likely (only) option.

My question is:
If I progress to become an officer in the TA can I then "transfer" to being a regular officer even though by that time I would be over the age limit? As you know, the TA age limit for becoming an officer is more flexible and set at 30+ for most branches. Indeed, is it common for TA soldiers or officers to become regulars?

I hope that my question/s are clear. Thanks in advance!
My understanding is you cannot circumvent the age rules by going in through the reserve route and hoping to transfer over. However I am not 100% on that.

Is the problem that you were unlikely to reach Sandhurst as a Regular entrant before the age of 29? I presume the limited number of options open for those over 26 is offputting enough?
 
#4
My understanding is you cannot circumvent the age rules by going in through the reserve route and hoping to transfer over. However I am not 100% on that.

Is the problem that you were unlikely to reach Sandhurst as a Regular entrant before the age of 29? I presume the limited number of options open for those over 26 is offputting enough?
Given that they are moving towards 26 being the maximum age for any entrant regardless of capbadge, I imagine that's why the OP is being told that regular officer is no longer an option.
 
#5
Given that they are moving towards 26 being the maximum age for any entrant regardless of capbadge, I imagine that's why the OP is being told that regular officer is no longer an option.
Yes that is what I have heard too.
 
#6
Firstly, sorry if this should have been posted in the TA section or has been discussed elsewhere - I did search and couldn't find anything.

I would like to join the army as an officer but am 27 years old and received a letter explaining that my application would be halted because the likelihood of me being accepted to start the commissioning course before my reaching the upper age limit is almost non existent.

I would still like to join but am now considering the TA as a more likely (only) option.

My question is:
If I progress to become an officer in the TA can I then "transfer" to being a regular officer even though by that time I would be over the age limit? As you know, the TA age limit for becoming an officer is more flexible and set at 30+ for most branches. Indeed, is it common for TA soldiers or officers to become regulars?

I hope that my question/s are clear. Thanks in advance!
Whilst about 10 years ago, a few TA officers would routinely be allowed to simply transfer from TA to regular (without having to do the commissioning course), this was always done by exception and the practice ceased nearly 10 years ago to my knowledge. The reasons for the change in policy should be obvious (the commissioning course is 44 weeks for a reason!)

Assuming you are able to join the TA as an officer, the nearest to regular service you could hope to achieve is Full Time Reserve Service (FTRS). Under FTRS you are attached to the regular army for a limited period of time (2 years is probably typical) and for all intensive purposes you are treated like a regular officer (in most respects) throughout that time; however after that time you revert back to being a part timer. Ultimately, being a TA officer will never be quite the same as being a regular one, but the TA may well offer you the opportunity to do some of the things you wanted to do as a regular, either part time or through periods of FTRS.
 
#7
Brave-Coward: They can still get through the net - One of my friends has just transferred (well, late last year) from TA to Regular, on a 8-year SSC, without having to do the 44 weeks at RMAS.
 
#8
Can I ask - what happens if you're FTRS junior officer and you go on operations? What do you do while you're out there? Just jobs specific to your capbadge or is it a case of taking command of something?
 
#9
Timble, I stand corrected. I thought that they had stamped down on this pretty hard, but I guess there remain a very few exceptions. I assume that he/she is in what might be termed a pinch point vocation as I cannot see the purpose of bringing a TA officer across when (by and large) we have plenty of regular officers already in the army.

Can I ask - what happens if you're FTRS junior officer and you go on operations? What do you do while you're out there? Just jobs specific to your capbadge or is it a case of taking command of something?
Very much depends on the individual and also what jobs need filling. If a TA infantry officer on FTRS deploys as part of a regular BG, he is unlikely to dislodge one of the regular platoon commanders (why would you replace an officer with over a year of continuous initial training plus MST with one who has done a total of a few months of initial, broken up over a couple of years followed by MST?) Most TA officers seem to be employed somewhat out of role on operations, influence and CIMIC always used to be popular options and likewise watchkeeping, etc.
 
#10
Brave-Coward: They can still get through the net - One of my friends has just transferred (well, late last year) from TA to Regular, on a 8-year SSC, without having to do the 44 weeks at RMAS.

We had TA officers including Special Forces reserve and guys who'd done 2 years FTRS and others who had been on Herrick as TA Subbies and they all came on the commissioning course. Your friend must have either been exceptional or had some bloody good contacts.
 
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#11
Firstly, sorry if this should have been posted in the TA section or has been discussed elsewhere - I did search and couldn't find anything.

I would like to join the army as an officer but am 27 years old and received a letter explaining that my application would be halted because the likelihood of me being accepted to start the commissioning course before my reaching the upper age limit is almost non existent.

I would still like to join but am now considering the TA as a more likely (only) option.

My question is:
If I progress to become an officer in the TA can I then "transfer" to being a regular officer even though by that time I would be over the age limit? As you know, the TA age limit for becoming an officer is more flexible and set at 30+ for most branches. Indeed, is it common for TA soldiers or officers to become regulars?

I hope that my question/s are clear. Thanks in advance!
I am sure that this has been covered ad nauseum in previous threads. If the Regulars have knocked you back, join the TA, go through the commissioning process and then volunteer for a tour. Many others have flip-flopped over to the Regular Army, but without the evidence of performance on operations, I would imagine this is harder. However, let's not get ahead of ourselves and assume that you will both be accepted by the TA and get through the commissioning process. It is probably best to get those out of the way first.
 
#12
My understanding is you cannot circumvent the age rules by going in through the reserve route and hoping to transfer over. However I am not 100% on that.

Is the problem that you were unlikely to reach Sandhurst as a Regular entrant before the age of 29? I presume the limited number of options open for those over 26 is offputting enough?
Thanks for this. Yes there is a limited availability of roles once over the age of 26. Due to apparent increases in officer applications there is a waiting list that would likely prohibit me in terms of time (I will be 28 April 2013).

On a slightly separate note: I have seen some comments from people saying that if a person has a degree then they should enter as an officer. I have a degree and masters but I am not adverse to applying to join the TA as a solider especially considering the comments on this thread about the limited role a TA officer would probably potentially have on ops.
I would not be joining for the money, perhaps all this is for a different area of the forum.
 
#14
Thanks for this. Yes there is a limited availability of roles once over the age of 26. Due to apparent increases in officer applications there is a waiting list that would likely prohibit me in terms of time (I will be 28 April 2013).

On a slightly separate note: I have seen some comments from people saying that if a person has a degree then they should enter as an officer. I have a degree and masters but I am not adverse to applying to join the TA as a solider especially considering the comments on this thread about the limited role a TA officer would probably potentially have on ops.
I would not be joining for the money, perhaps all this is for a different area of the forum.
I would think securing a place before January 2014 at Sandhurst is possible. However the roles available are limited and those that are available are increasingly difficult to secure. It is worth exploring (what is lost by trying?).

Does regular soldier not appeal?
 
#15
Switchback: Not exceptional, but had a fair amount of time served & 3-4 tours. I think it was a case of we had a space, she was perfectly suited & had completed all the requisite courses (less the full CC).

Saying that, she's in a better position than my brother - he switched from being a Crab to the Army!
 
#16
TA are apparently going to replace the +/- 20 000 that are going to be made redundant so it's always an option. What about going the OR route. From my past experience I have found that older soldiers tend to do rather well due to being slightly more emotionally mature, if maybe not as fit as their 18 year old sti infested counterparts....
 
#17
If a TA infantry officer on FTRS deploys as part of a regular BG, he is unlikely to dislodge one of the regular platoon commanders (why would you replace an officer with over a year of continuous initial training plus MST with one who has done a total of a few months of initial, broken up over a couple of years followed by MST?) Most TA officers seem to be employed somewhat out of role on operations, influence and CIMIC always used to be popular options and likewise watchkeeping, etc.
At least one TA officer (who commissioned into the TA at in his late twenties or early thirties last year) is about to deploy on H17 as an Inf Pl Comd - and he's not even from an infantry TA unit so I'm not sure how unlikely this is in fact.

He is mobilised rather than FTRS but on FTRS the options get rather broader and I've seen FTRS TA Subbies as, for instance FACs.
 
#18
It will be done on a cas eby case basis and with the blessing of the cap badge you wish to join. I know a TA Officer who deployed with me on TELIC, went through further training in TA subsequently, deployed again in a different role, then deployed as an FST Comd. While on the FST comds course he was told he would not be able to switch to Regular RA directly and I believe (this bit is less clear in my mind - too much sun) they told him he was too old to go to RMAS to complete the CC. He has at least 3 op tours as a TA RA officer, in roles compatrable to a regular RA officer.

My understanding was that this "back door" to becoming a regular officer was closed, but I guess there are always exceptions - in a similar vein IMO are transfers from the RAF or Navy who haven't done the RMAS CC, but I also know of some who were told they had to - I guess you're interviewed and assessed against criteria for a particular career.
 
#19
On paper the staffing mechanism exists to do it; the hard bit is in working out who in your chain of command, your receiving chain of command and APC Glasgow you need to influence and how to build a strong enough case for them to go against both their natural instinct and recent precedent.
 

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