TA Recruitment in Staffordshire

#2
EX_STAB said:
Some positive coverage:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/staffordshire/6677865.stm

I would have thought a better photo could have been provided though.
Positive coverage, in what respect? The only positive, is that I am positive that they will do whatever it takes to turn the TA, overnight, into the army version of the police's special constable. It's war-fighting on the cheap!

There's a gap in the regular forces that has got to be filled and they will fill it at whatever cost. It's a pity that they couldn't bring it in to solve the pre-Iraq war problem that units had trying to retain soldiers.

It has long been identified that the reason many TA soldiers leave is because it takes too long to get from recruit to trained soldier, but nobody gave a sh1t. Now they have realised that being the policeman of the world they need more bodies and, not having enough resources in the regular force, they have to make A to B as quick a process as possible.

If the 'powers that be' had taken their heads out of their a8seholes and listened, we wouldn't have depleted units and they wouldn't be playing catch up.
 
#3
Dont_Fear_The_Reaper said:
EX_STAB said:
Some positive coverage:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/staffordshire/6677865.stm

I would have thought a better photo could have been provided though.
Positive coverage, in what respect? The only positive, is that I am positive that they will do whatever it takes to turn the TA, overnight, into the army version of the police's special constable. It's war-fighting on the cheap!

There's a gap in the regular forces that has got to be filled and they will fill it at whatever cost. It's a pity that they couldn't bring it in to solve the pre-Iraq war problem that units had trying to retain soldiers.

It has long been identified that the reason many TA soldiers leave is because it takes too long to get from recruit to trained soldier, but nobody gave a sh1t. Now they have realised that being the policeman of the world they need more bodies and, not having enough resources in the regular force, they have to make A to B as quick a process as possible.

If the 'powers that be' had taken their heads out of their a8seholes and listened, we wouldn't have depleted units and they wouldn't be playing catch up.
I referred to "positive coverage" in the sense that the news article was upbeat about people joining the TA compared with the more typical coverage of military issues that one gets from the BBC.

The question of how the TA is being used to cover the reduction in the regular army is another matter in which I'm largely in agreement with you.

Not sure about the Special Constable parallel though.
 
#4
EX_STAB said:
Dont_Fear_The_Reaper said:
EX_STAB said:
Some positive coverage:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/staffordshire/6677865.stm

I would have thought a better photo could have been provided though.
Positive coverage, in what respect? The only positive, is that I am positive that they will do whatever it takes to turn the TA, overnight, into the army version of the police's special constable. It's war-fighting on the cheap!

There's a gap in the regular forces that has got to be filled and they will fill it at whatever cost. It's a pity that they couldn't bring it in to solve the pre-Iraq war problem that units had trying to retain soldiers.

It has long been identified that the reason many TA soldiers leave is because it takes too long to get from recruit to trained soldier, but nobody gave a sh1t. Now they have realised that being the policeman of the world they need more bodies and, not having enough resources in the regular force, they have to make A to B as quick a process as possible.

If the 'powers that be' had taken their heads out of their a8seholes and listened, we wouldn't have depleted units and they wouldn't be playing catch up.
I referred to "positive coverage" in the sense that the news article was upbeat about people joining the TA compared with the more typical coverage of military issues that one gets from the BBC.

The question of how the TA is being used to cover the reduction in the regular army is another matter in which I'm largely in agreement with you.

Not sure about the Special Constable parallel though.
ES. I am, we are like the specials, only paid!

Take care fella, soldier on safely!!!!!!!
 
#6
darbs said:
so how long does it take to get from recruit to trained soldier?
It normally takes up to 12 months for TA recruits to become soldiers through weekend and mid-week training.
from the BBC article

But can a soldier be considered fully trained in just 4 weeks when basic training for the regulars is 12 weeks? Surely it's like trying to fit a pint into a half pint glass.
 
#7
so why dont thay offer training in longer blocks? it would not take long to make up the 12 weeks. there are people out there who want to join the ta and can do exactly that.
 
#8
darbs said:
so why dont thay offer training in longer blocks? it would not take long to make up the 12 weeks. there are people out there who want to join the ta and can do exactly that.
I would guess it comes down to money. There's probably some idea also that not many people would be able to fit "fulltime" training into their lives due to other commitments so what point would there be in trying to administer for the few that could/would.

I recently read that Collins chaps biog and he comments on the time it takes to get someone from first walking through the door at the AFCO to walking through the gates of an ATR and that thr process is just too long. Peoples lives move too quickly these days but the Armed Forces don't seem to have the will or budget to grasp the nettle and speed these processes up.

In defense of the TA, I'd like to think that part of the reason it takes so long is because they want to ensure the recruit has taken it all in. I have my doubts though.
 
#9
crivelli said:
darbs said:
so why dont thay offer training in longer blocks? it would not take long to make up the 12 weeks. there are people out there who want to join the ta and can do exactly that.
I would guess it comes down to money. There's probably some idea also that not many people would be able to fit "fulltime" training into their lives due to other commitments so what point would there be in trying to administer for the few that could/would.



In defense of the TA, I'd like to think that part of the reason it takes so long is because they want to ensure the recruit has taken it all in. I have my doubts though.
how many people can remember what they have been taught upto 12 months ago in a two hour lesson? prob nobody. in fact it seems a great waste of money especially if the recruit leaves due to boredom. I spend more than 5 hours a week practising wake boarding, any less i would loose interest and pack it it. which i guess is what happens with the TA. It used to be called part time, now spare time when in effect most jobs give a lunch hour longer than what is required to be part of the TA. I really dont get it.
 
#10
darbs said:
how many people can remember what they have been taught upto 12 months ago in a two hour lesson? prob nobody.
I guess the original thinking was that repetition would instill enough of the very basic skills and then the following years service would round out the training. Of course, now the MOD are using the TA to shore up the Regular Army and the old ideas about training have been exposed as inadequate for the task.

If every recruit had the option of the intensive 4 week training program they still couldn't be considered to be fully "trained"? That is, they surely wouldn't/couldn't seriouly deploy a recruit after just 4 weeks training plus whatever training "trained" TA soldiers receive prior to deployment?

If the MOD were serious they'd offer "regular" training for those volunteering to fill the roles that are most in shortfall*; infantry etc. Offer shorter service contracts but with added commitment after deployment as a Reserve.

So, for example, you could volunteer to serve as an infantry soldier on a 1 year tour of Iraq and then commit to 3 more years as a Reservist with the posibility you could be redeployed or volunteer within your contract. It would commit you for the same time as a Regular soldier but, outside of being on tour or exercise to prepare for your tour, your life would be your own.

I can imagine that most people would probably argue that you'd be better off signing on as a Regular than doing the above.

This has turned into a bit of a ramble. When bored at work don't start to try and put the MOD's world to rights.

:)

*probably not the word I mean
 
#11
Just seem annoying, that if your to old to join the regs but have the time that there are no other options out there. I can see why people don't bother with the TA as much these days, everything else in modern day life has moved forward to be more productive and concentrated in training and development where as the TA seems to be about 10 years behind modern day practises. How does the training differ if your in a specialst unit of the TA?
 
#12
darbs said:
How does the training differ if your in a specialst unit of the TA?
You get even less.

msr
 
#14
darbs said:
how can you possibly get less??? if your only getting 2 hours per week anyway.
specialist units don't do drill nights and do fewer weekends (soldiers come from all over the UK). They mostly do core soldier training as they already know how to do their specialist skill
 
#15
darbs said:
Just seem annoying, that if your to old to join the regs but have the time that there are no other options out there.
I know what you mean. I recently put in an application for the Regular Army but was rejected as too old (am 33 and the age limit is 33rd birthday). Received a polite letter from the MOD saying Thanks for your application but, sorry, you're too old.. No mention of possible service options within the TA which seems like a missed trick. I requested the general bumph from the new recruitment website but have as yet heard nothing back. Can't say I'm suprised.

As an aside, I see that London Scottish, along with a few of other TA regs., are running an insight weekend 6th-8th July. Normally my long (and only) weekend off but, of course, due to other peoples leave I am working the Friday night. Will see if I can get a swap for earlier in the week and try and get a place.

Link to info London Scottish Insight Weekend
 
#16
will have a look at the link and read, i sent my app of last week with the promise somebody would call me within 5 days (well that's what it says if you do it online). still no call or letter so i am guessing they are very busy or not so bothered about new recruits. really makes me wonder sometimes, guess you can see why young kids get so easily recruited into these fundamentalist groups, at least thay put the time and effort in thou i dont agree with them.
 
#17
darbs said:
i sent my app of last week with the promise somebody would call me within 5 days (well that's what it says if you do it online). still no call or letter so i am guessing they are very busy or not so bothered about new recruits.
Application for the TA? I'd guess that the firm dealing with replys from the website have to sort through the applications for initial vetting as to criteria and then they forward them to some sort of regional recruitment team/local TA units. There's probably a letter in the post on its way to you as we type.

I used the online application form for my application for the Regular Army and it took a little over a week to get my reply but I think I would prefer to actually go along to a TA unit in person to speak with the staff or, if I can get the shift swap sorted, go along to one of these Insight courses. Highlights the problems faced fitting TA service into a civilian life. I'll need to switch to a casual contract or completely change employment to fit TA training and service in.

That doesn't begin to take into account the upheaval required by serving TA soldiers who are mobilised for six months. I imagine that that won't be something I'll have to consider any time soon which is part of the problem with recruitment for the TA. You watch the coverage on the news of TA soldiers serving in Afghanistan and it gives the TA relevance but you inquire and it takes a year to complete basic training and then you would seem to be unlikely to be "called up" until you have a fair bit of time served under your belt so you're ready for deployment 3 years from now with all the buggering about during that period. Who can afford to do that? Seemingly fewer people than is required to meet current military commitments.
 
#18
You know to be honest, i am so pissed at it right now that if anybody asked me about joining the ta i would say give it a miss. There are so many more things out there where you can get involved, hands on, learn somthing, be part of a team, be proud of with out being fcuked about for a year or so.
 
#19
darbs said:
You know to be honest, i am so pissed at it right now that if anybody asked me about joining the ta i would say give it a miss. There are so many more things out there where you can get involved, hands on, learn somthing, be part of a team, be proud of with out being fcuked about for a year or so.
I guess that's true but surely the main attraction for serving in the TA, especially now, is the soldiering side of it and no other organisation is going to offer that. Being buggered about isn't restricted to just the TA soldiers, Regulars probably face more than their fair share of it too. It's a big organisation and they tend to be unwieldy and slow beasts. Take the NHS. Please*.

The Army doesn't seem geared up for older people joining, it prefers to get them young and younger people have fewer commitments and more time ahead of them. Unfortunately for the Army young people these days can't be arsed and there are a lot easier options for them to take than joining the military.




*pseudo mother in law gag, appologies :)
 
#20
darbs said:
Just seem annoying, that if your to old to join the regs but have the time that there are no other options out there.
Just to go back to your point again. You sound like you're in a similar position to myself, Regular service not an option and the current style of "part time" service doesn't really fit into your current lifestyle. There's no third way.

What is it that you would prefer to sign up for? More intense (full time) training over a shorter period leading to what? Mobilisation/FTRS? Maybe the MOD needs to consider reinstating some form of voluntary National Service.
 
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