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#2
Doubtful…

Your average student couldn’t pass a CDT and they can earn more money per month working in a pub than as a TA Pte/Lt.
 
#3
They could make more in a pub, but given the lack of jobs available...

Whats the opinion of the Armed Forces in Universities now? I remember a while back there being a fuss over a (or some) university student group(s) demanding the Army/TA/UOTC stop recruiting in Uni's.
 
#4
msr said:
Problem: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/7956274.stm

Solution: http://www.army.mod.uk/infantry/regiments/143.aspx

At a stroke we could solve the TA recruiting problem and begin to address the collapse of the Officer Corps.

Will anyone at CRR/ OAR listen and act?

msr
Would it solve it in reality. You would have people joining for the the duration of their course it takes at best 1 year to get commissioned if you are already trainined yes it can be done quicker, but the end result in my experience is shambles of an officer. As for Pl/Coy's affected by these candidates they will possibly only turn in during term time, great way to run a pl and all they will have fixed in their mind that is soon as they finish they can leave.

I can see pluses to the idea but I think that at present we are catching all those that want the green experience we can.
 
#5
Yeah, the student union leadership (many of whom will go on as Labour politicians) like to ban any Forces related stuff as it doesn't match their lesbian/gay milk knitting diversity agenda.

Of course it helps to learn to despise the forces at a young age so that when they do eventually get to have their snouts in the Westminster trough they don't feel bad about sending people off to fight phony wars with inadequate equipment.
 
#6
Depends on the uni, there was some fuss at one of the London colleges (UCL, perhaps?) but our UOTC (Uni of Exeter) appears to be going strong. A fair few of my friends are in there, sadly I'm not due to sporting commitments on the OTC days in my first two years. Beginning of this year they told me I'd still need to be here next year, so no joy there.

Planning on joining the London OTC next year if I get the necessary results to go to KCL for my MA. Will let you know when I get there! If it helps, they say that they have 350 OCdts, of whom an average of 30 go on to Regular and 5 to TA.
 
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InetUID said:
Yeah, the student union leadership (many of whom will go on as Labour politicians) like to ban any Forces related stuff as it doesn't match their lesbian/gay milk knitting diversity agenda.

Of course it helps to learn to despise the forces at a young age so that when they do eventually get to have their snouts in the Westminster trough they don't feel bad about sending people off to fight phony wars with inadequate equipment.
Bore off.
 
#9
I'm a student doing Welsh Challenge in the summer. £1800 is going to go a long way to helping me next year. I would much rather be doing that than working in a pub... Although a lot of my friends cannot understand why I do it. There are also the very liberal student types who dislike the Army on principle. The fact that the UOTC gets the majority of students interested in the military anyway doesn't help the TA's recruiting efforts.
 
#10
35 out of 350? I thought the numbers continuing their military career would be higher than that!
Not if they're only joining up to help pay their way through uni and stick something on a CV. Of about thirty people I know who are in about twelve to fifteen are planning to go into the military, but I suspect that that speaks more about their background than the majority of recruits.

Oddly enough, one friend of mine now due to go into Sandhurst this september (hoping for Irish Guards) was not allowed into the UOTC first time around because he was "looking at it too much as a stepping stone into the Regular Army". Too bloody right he was!
 
#11
Well some people look at it as something to put on their CV. But is that really such a bad thing? At least they will have gained respect for the military and may well join the TA later on. Personally I'm doing it for experience before I join the regs after my degree. I know alot of others in my unit are doing the same.
 
#12
That number does seem a little low, although London have had problems in that department in the past.... Other OTCs get as high as 25% joining up, possibly becuase they are smaller (ave intake about 120 I think...) and have to take the likes of Gap Year Commissions, Bursars and Sponsors anyway.
 
#13
NewbishDelight said:
35 out of 350? I thought the numbers continuing their military career would be higher than that!
Oddly enough, one friend of mine now due to go into Sandhurst this september (hoping for Irish Guards) was not allowed into the UOTC first time around because he was "looking at it too much as a stepping stone into the Regular Army". Too bloody right he was!
What is the point of a UOTC then? :?
 
#14
kes1 said:
NewbishDelight said:
35 out of 350? I thought the numbers continuing their military career would be higher than that!
Oddly enough, one friend of mine now due to go into Sandhurst this september (hoping for Irish Guards) was not allowed into the UOTC first time around because he was "looking at it too much as a stepping stone into the Regular Army". Too bloody right he was!
What is the point of a UOTC for then? :?
I rather suspect that our local OTC officers have been going slowly mad in the Westcountry. He got in at the start of his second year though, and passed his AOSB with flying colours.
 
#16
Command_doh said:
If the issue was forced by ZanuNL and they were TOLD to be in the Reserves for their fee's being paid in full (like the U.S.), watch them all shut up. Everyone wan'ts something for nothing.
Nobody is being forced, you loon.

I was in my University's Careers Office the other day and the only thing they had about the army was a folder where you could book an appointment to see the Regular Army's recruiting bod when he comes round.

Nothing, and I mean nothing, at all about the TA.

Given that universities have a massive concentration of our target age group, I would have thought there would have been a pile of stuff available from all the local units.

I have been told in no uncertain terms that I am not to put anything in their as it all has to go through CRR/OAR now.

msr
 
#17
I read Command_doh's post as being a suggestion that the Government give the option of fees paid in full if the students agree to join the TA or UOTC, rather than them just being handed grants for nothing. Good idea in my opinion.
 
#18
kes1 said:
I read Command_doh's post as being a suggestion that the Government give the option of fees paid in full if the students agree to join the TA or UOTC, rather than them just being handed grants for nothing. Good idea in my opinion.
That could make selection centers interesting
 
#19
Many universities are still a recruiting ground for lunatic lefties and other fringe entities who still are convinced that the armed services are a product of dark forces. Unfortunately, many of those who graduate, eventually, end up in the university employment continue to propagate their b*llocks to fresh ears, and thus the cycle repeats.

That's my insight from working with the majority of the UK universities in my civilian capacity and also from being a student at Manchester & Oxford.

DCO
 
#20
easesprings said:
kes1 said:
I read Command_doh's post as being a suggestion that the Government give the option of fees paid in full if the students agree to join the TA or UOTC, rather than them just being handed grants for nothing. Good idea in my opinion.
That could make selection centers interesting
Subject to them passing selection obviously :)

Those that don't pass (or don't want to join a UOTC/TA unit) could be made to do some form of community service in return for fees paid.
 
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