TA PJNCO

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RP578

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#4
icecold,

It depends on your capbadge. I did two PJNCO cadres; the first was with the R.Signals and was just a weekend of physical activities and section scenarios. All very enjoyable, not taxing in the slightest and essentially a tick-in-the-box so you could qualify for promotion. My second cadre was as an Infantryman having transfered and needing to justify my rank, and it was a completely different affair.

The Infantry PJNCO cadre is two weeks long and is held centrally at ITC Catterick or regional in-house battalion camps. They are held to the same set of criteria so the format should be the same wherever you do yours. '303SMLE' wrote up a good breakdown of events here: PJNCO Cadre

Read through the whole thread as there's some interesting points there. Be advised Inf (if that is what you are) PJNCO is by no means an attendance course. You WILL have to demonstrate leadership and command potential. You WILL be pushed mentally and physically. I can't emphasise that last enough, start training! Many guys who are decent Rfn, just don't make the grade at PJNCO as they just lack the 'stuff' to lead a fire team.

Saturday: WHT, PFT

Sunday: Lessons on duties of 2IC, Navigation assessment, block cleaning, general being fucked about.

Monday: More lessons on Nav, duties of 2IC, Shooting coaching etc.

Tuesday: CFT, Shooting coaching test on SATS range, Drill, being fucked about, Admin for ex, nav lessons.

Wednesday: Out into field, establish and rehearse SOP's for course, day nav ex. Admin fuckabout, night navex.

Thursday: Admin * about, mild tabbing based beasting, section attack lanes. Bigger beasting back to camp, weak candidates start to flag. Enter massive post ex admin vortex with angry shouty platoon sergeant. Marvel at the ability of course mong to loose PRR in 24hrs in field.

Friday: Locker and kit inspections, Drill, intro to orders process, incredibly boring lesson on "instilling and maintaining the desire to learn" (Discover Army has sense of irony)

Saturday: Notionally, day off. Instead, lessons on various 'odds and sods' like model making. Spend most of the day waiting for plt cmdr to get over hangover and write orders. Recieve plt cmdrs orders, extract and prep section orders for tomorrow.

Sunday: Frantic packing of kit. Help illiterate with orders. Explain concept of "2 up intent" 43 times to PJNCO with IQ of frog. Tell him not to worry and concentrate on counting magazines and dead people in the reorg. Pack kit for field. Spend 2 hrs waterproofing porn and inserting into nirex. Deliver section orders to section. Prep to deploy into field. All kit on, march to armoury. Plt Sgt realises forgot to tell armourer he was needed Sunday. Watch Plt Sgt and Lt have big fight about whether to go into the field without weapons and come back tomorrow for them. Spend extra night in bed. Plt Sgt now in bad mood for rest of course.

Monday: Get weapons from amused armourer. Tab into field. Watch the fat kid keel over carrying his full CEMO for over 200yds. Begin round of command appointments.

Tuesday-Thursday: Command appointments as sections. Much admin fuckaboutery. Much tactical fuckaboutery. Many casevac serials to test 'robustness'.

Thursday-Friday: Run out of cigarettes due to training screws constantly poncing them. Cry. Move to Plt ops, Plt Sgt now extra angry. Section mong decides to wear full Goretex and softie for plt attack as its drizzling. Section mong collapses of heat exaustion on approach march. Revive him. Carry out attack. Go back for Section mong (Stafford, btw) who collapsed from heat exhaustion 50m from start line. Come under DF on re-org. Take casualty. Begin forced case-evac 2km back to aid post. Section mong collapses again. Casevac ex casualty AND section mong 1.8km back to aid post.

Early Friday: Top student appointed Plt Sgt. Real plt sgt leaves field as its raining and he's too old for this s***. All relax incl. plt cmdr. Carry out final attack, OC casevacs bloke who gets stabbed in the eye with a BFA.

Late Friday: Tab back to camp. Congratulated by screw. Find plt sgt lurking in office and enter a positive hell of post ex admin. Plt Sgt grumpy as A) armourer is still taking the urine. B) He's not got his full 8hrs the night before. The horror!

Saturday: Make bollox attempt at pass-out parade. Plt sgt cries into cheap lager at TA's inability to do drill. Jump in minibus and escape Catterick, never to return. Start worrying about Junior Brecon.
Note the last sentence and note it well! The higher you climb, the harder the courses get! Wait to you go to Brecon to earn your second tape. Enjoy it, mate and try to get something out of it, even if you don't cut the mustard the first time around.
 
#6
Did it in June. The staff all thought I was a cnut. But still gave me a good course report and third on course. At the moment its a turn up get beasted and pass as long as you finsih the course.

You NEED to pass :
risk reduction run 1.5 miles under 13 min ish
CFT
Field Craft - don't be a mong.

And no daysacks justjet packs.

It was about what I expected but i'm still not convinced that I wanted to do it, but never again. Roll on Brecon.

Nuts

PM for any specifics.
 
#7
I did my CIC in June/July and we had a PJNCO cadre running alongside us, they acted as our section 2ic's when we went into the field and they had to help 'lead' us through the CFT under the PTI's supervision, from what I saw they got a fair thrashing through out the course, and those who didn't cut the mustard were failed at the end of the course, including the guy who was placed as my section 2ic.

I know I'm still fairly green and not much more than a crow myself but does any one know when you can do a PJNCO cadre at Catterick? I heard you could right after CIC but I also heard you need 3 years experience before you can make lance jack, I want to get the course done so when my unit want new lance jacks i can get my tape, but by no mean do i wish to be promoted yet, i just want to get the course done and out of the way.
 

RP578

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#8
Lincs10 said:
I know I'm still fairly green and not much more than a crow myself but does any one know when you can do a PJNCO cadre at Catterick? I heard you could right after CIC but I also heard you need 3 years experience before you can make lance jack, I want to get the course done so when my unit want new lance jacks i can get my tape, but by no mean do i wish to be promoted yet, i just want to get the course done and out of the way.
Theoretically you are eligible to go on your PJNCO after having served as a Class 1 Trained Infantryman for at least a year. In practice many TA Battalions just load candidates on the course a year after they passed out from CIC.
 
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RP578 said:
Lincs10 said:
I know I'm still fairly green and not much more than a crow myself but does any one know when you can do a PJNCO cadre at Catterick? I heard you could right after CIC but I also heard you need 3 years experience before you can make lance jack, I want to get the course done so when my unit want new lance jacks i can get my tape, but by no mean do i wish to be promoted yet, i just want to get the course done and out of the way.
Theoretically you are eligible to go on your PJNCO after having served as a Class 1 Trained Infantryman for at least a year. In practice many TA Battalions just load candidates on the course a year after they passed out from CIC.
I thought that something along those lines was the case, a mate of mine from my section at CIC was recomended by our training screw to go for promotion to lance jack within six months though so im not sure how he could do that?
 

RP578

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#10
Lincs10 said:
a mate of mine from my section at CIC was recomended by our training screw to go for promotion to lance jack within six months though so im not sure how he could do that?
Whilst there maybe a technicality (CO's discretion etc.) that could make it possible, I'd be amazed if that would ever happen, especially in this day and age. Even if he completed his PJNCO cadre in that 6 months, he'd still have to wait for the promotion board. To be honest you need a good couple of years as a Rifleman to actually learn your job. You'll find that a lot of the lads that go on PJNCO have been doing the 2ic job already as a senior bod.
 
#11
I joined the TA in a September, did CIC the following April, and then PJNCO's 5 months later....I actually hit my 1 year point on the first day of the final ex. So yes, it can be done, but you have to work hard, be a bit of a spotter and take to it naturally.
 

ugly

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#12
I cheated slightly, my kit arrived 2 weeks after attesting and had to go away for a stripe to be sewn on, 12 months later I passed Brecon. I had left the regs after 7 years only 2 months before joining but I suspect that it was pretty swift going even for then. My Pln sgt hated this as he left the regs as a cpl and had to serve 3 years as a private before being recommended for a JNCO carde. I had left as a buckshee!
 
#13
rp578 - your dead right that was course - ahhh the memories

it depends who your instructors are whether they are at your unit or at catterick. I did mine at Catterick and the instructors wanted to beast us to an inch of our lives - 45 started 1 passed and 9 delayed passes got love that! I was one of the 9

my advice is train really hard and get our fitness up to a good standard - the guys who passed were running their bft at under 9.30

learn the order process and admin should be first class in the field!
 
#14
Oh good something to look forward to then!! I suppose it only goes to prove that the infantry is far superior to any other arm?
 
#15
I might be doing this course in November over two weekends. Does anybody have any experience of this course? Is it more or less the same as the Infantry PJNCO? The only info ive found seems to refer to the infantry course.
 

RP578

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#16
roverkill said:
I might be doing this course in November over two weekends. Does anybody have any experience of this course? Is it more or less the same as the Infantry PJNCO? The only info ive found seems to refer to the infantry course.
Considering that the course you're doing is only two weekends, I doubt it will be much like the Infantry PJNCO cadre which is a two week camp. To be honest I don't think that any of the other arms and services have a uniform PJNCO cadre like the Infantry's and I can only guess that this is partly because with many Corps the promotion to LCpl is linked to trade training/qualification.

You're best of asking the guys in your unit/Corps who went through it last as they'll be the most up to date with advice. Good luck in November!
 
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