TA Officer - military law/discipline at all times

#1
This is a quick question by someone who may (hopefully) be doing TA officer training..

I understand that as a normal soldier, you are only under military law when training, and not in normal life. As an Officer, you are under military law/discipline at all times.

The question is therefore, if during normal life as an officer, someone commits an offence against YOU, then is crime committed by that person greater than if they had done that crime against a normal civilian?
 

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#2
Yes, you are subject to military law at all times as an Officer (hence keep your MoD 90 with you).

But why would it be a worse offence if someone hits you rather than an off-duty TA Tom?

Luckily, as far as I know it has never been a specific civil offence to assault an Officer of HM Armed Forces, as opposed to assaulting any other Subject.
 
#3
You expecting to get a slap some time soon then?
 
#5
dex_dexta said:
no, just an interesting concept.
Concept? - Yes.

Interesting? - No.
 
#8
Ok this has been somethign I had wondered about. When they say "you'll be an officer 24/7" what does this exactly entail? How does this apply to the average TA officers everyday life? I know the obvious answer is it won't. However I'm sure in theory it means something is meant to apply.

Any clues/enlightenment?
 
#9
It just means that you don't do off-duty anything that would bring you or the service into disrepute. e.g. if you decide to become a part-time heroin addict "but only when I'm not on duty", you'll still have a nice interview without coffee if they find out. Similarly, running a whorehouse or starting up a website involving goats and spandex leotards might also be frowned upon (or clog up the MOD servers worse than Amarillo!)
Perversely, alcohol-fuelled japery that in civvie-street would have you locked up doesn't seem to carry the same penalty.......so long as no-one complains.
 
#11
Something undesirable such as, say, a Major letting his wife get her kit off for "Readers Wives" and then appear in a documentary about it?

I was sitting watching the tele on a course when said doc came on, to a cry of "that's my BC" from an HAC officer. And it was.

Good looking girl his wife was . . . . . .

I understand the interview with Bde Commd next day lacked caffeine in any form, and certainly no choccie digestives.
 
#12
In acordance with MOD policy EVERY TA Soldier/Officer Has their MOD 90 Issued to them to keep. As far as I'm aware Soldiers are only subject to Mil Law when they have signed the drill sheet ( that's why the Mirror fraudsters got off). TA officers on the other hand as the hold the Queens Commission are subject to Mil Law 24/7, though I have never seen it enforced.

As for someone twatting you because you are in the TA and have a MOD90, in the eyes of the law you are a victim, the same as a woman or an OAP. If you think that by becoming a TA/ Regular officer you will receive special status, then stop and rethink your intentions for joining......
 
#13
sweatysock said:
In acordance with MOD policy EVERY TA Soldier/Officer Has their MOD 90 Issued to them to keep.
sweats, can you track down a DCI or any other formal doc to support this (not disagreeing, I really, really hope you can for all sorts of reasons :grin:). And does anyone know if Chilwell still retrieve mod 90s from returning TA personnel?
 

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#14
Abacus -

It was a Land Directive, and fed down from there via the Chain of Command. Part of the 'ome Army' concept, all TA soldiers, once they have passed Phase 2 Training, ARRE to be issued their MoD 90s.

I tried to only issue them to NCOs, but was told no, they must go to all soldiers. So, that's what we do. Losing them is no longer a 'prevalent offence' so no great shakes if they are lost; a new one now comes in a week - they now have Rank on, and a 4 year 'life'.

I will try to find the actual reference, but don't hold your breath.
 
#15
abacus said:
sweatysock said:
In acordance with MOD policy EVERY TA Soldier/Officer Has their MOD 90 Issued to them to keep.
sweats, can you track down a DCI or any other formal doc to support this (not disagreeing, I really, really hope you can for all sorts of reasons :grin:). And does anyone know if Chilwell still retrieve mod 90s from returning TA personnel?

Hi Abacus adding onto what Snowy said I'm afraid that I do not know the DCI involved but my unit has been issuing to all soldiers after completeing basic. As for RTMC they do not retain MOD90's any more.

Hope that helps.

Sweaty
 
#16
Sangreal said:
dex_dexta said:
...then is crime committed by that person greater than if they had done that crime against a normal civilian?
TA = normal civilian
I'm confused. Is Blair giving shooters to civilians, despatching them to Iraq and saying "Crack on, mate"?
 
#17
On the BAEBB, part 1 the conditions of AGAI 69 are set out. On page 12 it states that AGAI 69 applies to all ranks of the Regular and Territorial Army at all times. I assume it's been made so in order to get any little mongs who try the false allegations trick again (though judicial use of a pick helve should prove equally effective).
 
#18
Old Snowy and sweatysock many thanks. As it happens I've just received a replacement (bizarrely with the original photo taken 12 years ago - 1. I'm now much older 2. I was an ugly bug ger)

New card loses the blood group - I believe it is in the magnetic strip (but that might be some APC humour), has an expiry date as you said (not sure how I feel about going to an operational theatre with a card that tells me when I expire though :grin:) and gains info about height which in my opinion is an excellent aid to ID.
 
#19
abacus said:
and gains info about height which in my opinion is an excellent aid to ID.
Thank god those pesky midgets won't be able to pose as me anymore. You'll need a new diabolical plan Dr E, your mini me won't work now.

On a more serious note I've read the answers here and they seem reasonable but don't really seem to explain the reasoning behind the 24/7 TA officer concept. There must be more to it than just being held accountable if you do something silly in public. Or at least in it's intention. Or am I being overly idealistic?
 
#20
By suggesting that TA officers enjoy some sort of special status should somebody choose to tw*t them, this guy is either (A) a complete kn*b or (B) throwing a Waaaahhhhh!!!

I'm going for (A)

V!
 

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