TA Officer from OR?

#1
Starting this here as I am hoping someone from the TA will have some advice for me.

Happily finished my weekend course at a training establishment at the weekend- 12:30 we all get knocked off. Except 'LCpl Bird, can you go in and see the Lt Col' Eh what? Poop a brick, march smartly into office, give the worst salute of my life (oh the shame, I might as well have slapped myself on the forehead). Luckily one of us had coffee and we both sat down. :?

Basically a Major I have been chatting to has 'head-hunted' me for the OTC. Very strange methinks- but got given all the forms and the hard sell for the OTC. Because of the shock, I forgot to ask all the right questions- to be honest I was shivering from the DTs and the 2 hours sleep from the night before. The only bit that I got is that I could miss out some of the training as I am already a trained soldier and that I'd have no problems with a bunch of the tests.

My current situation is as a CMT in an infantry unit. I teach and am the company medic. Now if I go to OTC I will be leaving my unit in a bit of a quandry. Any chance of continuing both? Am I going to have to take a pay cut and will I lose my bounty?

I have a degree and am doing a doctorate, but in industry, so I have a bit of common sense as well as the accademic guff. The next question is- since I am in my late 20s already, am I going to find the OTC full of irritating young pups that I will end up strangling? Will they get my infantry humour? Also a bit worried as I was offered a job teaching at the OTC not so long ago- so will I still be challenged?

I haven't filled in the forms yet. But I also want to know what core I will have to transfer to (Female officer in the infantry :roll: ). I like being in the infantry- but I am well aware of my limits! Obviously I wouldn't transfer until I finished. I do love where I am now, but I know that I have practically reached the ceiling already.l

Any ideas people? Would be grateful for any advice from those that have been through this? Especially the older types and maybe anyone that has come from the ranks?

Ta!
 
#2
AVOID THE OTC AT ALL COSTS THIS IS A BACKWARD STEP IN HIS INTERESTS NOT YOURS AVOID AVOID AVOID
 

The_Duke

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#3
Come on Bravo, don't sit on the fence, say what you mean!

OTC is Ok as a stepping stone to a commission if that is what you want. Socially it is good fun, if a little limited in terms of a fake mess and cheap studenty bars. Otherwise, I would suggest you avoid it and concentrate on your TA career. There are plenty of options open to you, and promotion as an attachment to an infantry unit is possible.

If you had not considered being an officer before, is it really what you want? After Pl/Troop commander it soon leads to a life of admin and paperwork, which has its own rewards, but is not the same as front line soldiering.
 
#4
Not an older type, and not from the ranks. However........

as B_B says, do not, under any circumstances, go to the OTC. You will hate it and it really won't teach you very much. If your unit are keen to see you develop (as they seem to be) get them to sponsor you to Officer training through your RTC. The system is really getting going now, and you should should not have the problem that many DETAPOs seem to have, which is parent units not showing much on an interest.

If you want to see your career develop you realise you will have to leave your unit anyhow, it is up to you if you want to take the RMAS to a lifetime of paperwork route. But if you do want to go to RMAS go while you are young-ish and fit.

What Bde are you in?
 
#5
Its also a bit shabby for you to be approached outside of your chain of command. Your headshed will not be impressed.
 
#6
birduk said:
I have a degree and am doing a doctorate, but in industry
Take it your not going for a medical doctor? If you are go for a PQO commission once qualified

Don't understand why they want you to goto the OTC, have you not misunderstood them, did they mean train with them? Otherwise look at the DEPTAO scheme you should be able to bypass most modules. Try PM'ing abacus he seems to be the expert in this subject
 
#7
OTC is a fcuking good laugh, but it would be a step down. we have a guy doing a doctorate who is 28, and he fits in fine. you will fit in fine, people wont look at you differently unless you behave differently, and single yourself out as the "highly experienced with nothing to learn" sort of stereotype.
 
#8
Soldier_5 said:
OTC is a fcuking good laugh, but it would be a step down. we have a guy doing a doctorate who is 28, and he fits in fine. you will fit in fine, people wont look at you differently unless you behave differently, and single yourself out as the "highly experienced with nothing to learn" sort of stereotype.
Are you eligible for OTC if you're doing a postgrad? I'm in the middle of my doctorate, and I never even considered the OTC. It doesn't matter anyway, I'm quite happy where I am!
 
#9
Have had an situation quite like this fairly recently. Please feel free to PM me. I don't want to post stuff publicly since you need specific questions answered that are not appropriate to ask or reply to on a public forum.

All the best with your decision.
 
#11
It is not a question of whether or not one can fit in getting p////d with students, I enjoy going back to my old troop dinner (once a year), but whether it would be of any benefit to bird's career.
 
#12
I've ran this though an online translator.

What he said:

gung_hobo said:
Have had an situation quite like this fairly recently. Please feel free to PM me. I don't want to post stuff publicly since you need specific questions answered that are not appropriate to ask or reply to on a public forum.

All the best with your decision.
Translation...

gung_hobo said:
Shite, you are talking about me! FFS do not ask anything in open forum as people will give you the cold hard facts - please pm me so that I can bluff like a bluffing thing and tell you whatever it is you want to hear. I can then poach from the TA a bright young thing.

Just decide to come across, no need for questions.

Are you single? Do you like puppies?
 
#13
DAMN! Look BB, a chap has to try. Now sssh, perhaps she will miss the last few posts (he says thoughtfully and very provocatively stroking the most dangerous moustache this side of The Urals).

And why mention puppies? I haven't been able to get noses off my mind since first reading the post.

I'm all for giving a gel 'The Hard Facts', but at my age I am afraid it is mostly just spin. Grateful for recognition as an accomplished bluffer though, and from such an authority on the subject as well!

Pillies im der vint (with apologies to Afrikaaners).
 
#14
If you are already in the TA and fancy going to OTC to have a look at the whole commissioning thing then go as a TAPO (If they still have them) keeps your feet on the ground and leaves an escape plan. OTCs are ok but often you get better training elsewhere, i know - i was a TAPO.

If you want any info about TA commssioning feel free to PM me - was in the system for a few years.
 
#15
Biggest problem is that the longer-serving cadets will see you as a sprog - regardless of the fact that you know more than them.

Look on their Board and get some idea of the children that you'd be mixing with.

They won't let you play real soldiers concurrently with playing with them - it's one or the other. When I was told this, I looked the Brigadier in the eye and said, "Sir, in that case, I'd rather stay a semi-professional Private than be an amateur Officer." Rather than get upset, the Brig just smiled and said, You're right, you know."
 
#16
gung_hobo said:
. Grateful for recognition as an accomplished bluffer though, and from such an authority on the subject as well!
At your servile.
 
#17
Bless you lads! Thank you for some of the replys and PMs. Appreciated ;)

I think I was a bit confused about the whole RTC/OTC thing. The Lt Col is the guy that runs the RTC (I think) and he wants me to train with them and go for a commission. Apparently I can still stay attached to my unit (so I can still do my job) whilst doing this.

As I am a trained soldier, I have to complete the boards, but miss out a few of the modules. Have the details at home as a few big crosses were put through the bit of paper he gave me. But, my god, that is a strange form. Struggling to remember my GCSEs back in 95.

I have had a look at the OTC boards, which is why I posted here. I think my young, innocent uni days are over. Had a recent night out at my sisters uni and the standard questions "What course are you doing?" "How old are you?" "What A-levels did you do?". :roll: Really weren't the best chat-up lines!

I'm not going to be a medical doctor- I'm going to have a doctorate. just to clear things up. So I have been working in industry project managing and getting to do a bit of real engineering (So far have made several attempts at sharks with laser beams......).
 
#18
putteesinmyhands said:
Biggest problem is that the longer-serving cadets will see you as a sprog - regardless of the fact that you know more than them.

Look on their Board and get some idea of the children that you'd be mixing with.

They won't let you play real soldiers concurrently with playing with them - it's one or the other. When I was told this, I looked the Brigadier in the eye and said, "Sir, in that case, I'd rather stay a semi-professional Private than be an amateur Officer." Rather than get upset, the Brig just smiled and said, You're right, you know."
Glad to rid of this playing at soldiers for a hobby/slacker without sense of responsibility lightweight and non-entity the Brig just smiled and said "Very good. Send in the next idiot will you."
 
#19
birduk said:
I haven't filled in the forms yet. But I also want to know what Corps I will have to transfer to (Female officer in the infantry :roll: ). I like being in the infantry- but I am well aware of my limits!
It depends on DInf, and how obsessed the current one is with not having any women in the TA.

I should say that I know of one (MBE-awarded) female OC HQ Coy in a TA Inf Bn (if the handover date had been a week later, she'd have commanded a Rifle Company for a few days, SDR having that effect on things); and a female Captain capbadged to another TA Inf Bn (was RSO for a while). We even had a Female Kiwi TA 2Lt who had done their SchInf YO's course, and commanded a a Kiwi TA Inf Pl before moving to UK (hobbies: triathlon and kickboxing). CO had the idea of making her OC MG Pl... Brecon said "computer says no" when her name appeared on a course bid (wimps).

The problem was the willingness to create a decent career path for female officers (hmmm. RSO? Coy 2ic?). After all, while the theory is "all of these women in the TA Bn are really RAMC / AGC / REME" the reality is that they belong to that TA unit, not to some notional central pool.

However, I'm out of touch now, so I don't know what current thinking is. If you want to progress up the rank structure, join a Corps. If you want to remain with your unit, then I suspect it depends on the CO, and every subsequent CO, and how good you are.
 
#20
I think the first question you should ask yourself is, do you want to be an officer? Second is, as you have already alluded to, what would my career path be and am i happy with that?

If the answer is yes to both and you fully understand the implications, then the way to go is, as has already been mentioned, through the Officer Training Wing of your local RTC.

As a phase 2 trained soldier you would be required to pass TA Main Board (TA equivalent of RCB) once that was done you would then go on to the TA Officers Course run by the RTC. You would start at Module 2 which consists of 12 weekends run every two weeks. You need to attend 10 of these as well as pass PRACTAC 1. You would then be able to go forward to Module 3 which is a 9 day battlecamp or 2 4.5 day long weekends. During this you would sit PPRACTAC 2 and along with having to have passed APWT, greened BPFA and passed TACFT you would then be eligible to attend RMAS for module 4 which is a 3 week course at RMAS. YOu would also have to attend Mod 5 which is the post commissioning gap training and which is a pre-requisite for having your commission confirmed. It is possible to do all this within the space of a year although this will depend on your other commitment such as family and study/work.

The course is a considerable commitment and one that definitely should not be taken lightly. Because of the commitment it is likely that you would have little time for attendance with your own Unit apart from drill nights and indeed if you were to undertake the training this would have to be your main effort for the duration of the course.

I would suggest your first port of call should be your Coy Comd or perhaps the Adjt of your unit if you are unable to speak to Coy Comd.

PM me if you have any specific questions.
 

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