TA Officer Cadets parading at Sandhurst

#1
TACC 112 Commissioning Parade - YouTube
Hello everybody,
Can anyone in the Forum tell me if and why TA Officer Cadets always parade without rifles? I noticed also in other videos regarding Sandhurst Parades that there is often some Cadets detachment marching without rifles, while all the others units do carry arms. Are they always TAOCs? Thank you very mch for your help.
 
#2
Rifle drill takes too much time out of the long weekend they have there.
 
#4
The cadets have three weeks at Sandhurst following a pretty demanding 18 months or so prior to RMAS. To spend time teaching young Sir and Ma'am how to parade with Rifles is not best use of limited training time.
 
#5
The cadets have three weeks at Sandhurst following a pretty demanding 18 months or so prior to RMAS. To spend time teaching young Sir and Ma'am how to parade with Rifles is not best use of limited training time.
....especially as after they get Commissioned they get issued a long, sharp, pointy thing
 
#6
....especially as after they get Commissioned they get issued a long, sharp, pointy thing
Exactly. The question should be 'Why do the regular OCDTs still bother to parade with rifles?'
 
#7
Exactly. The question should be 'Why do the regular OCDTs still bother to parade with rifles?'
Being a bit undermanned for the Cenotaph a few years back, a brace of officers, in distinctive headgear, made up the numbers. The GSM was not best pleased but merely commented in a slightly disappointed tone;

'Officers with rifles.'
 
#9
At a rough guess, I would say so that a) the DS have it in their bag of tricks to instill discipline & uniformity in the ranks during the first term, b) the newly minted officers can look their Toms in the eye, and c) they can differentiate themselves from STABs.

That said, I did rifle drill in my STAB basic. Mit L1A1.

All the officers in my regiment had rifles on ops. From the CO down.
Doing rifle drill on ops ... hard Corps.

As an aside, why couldn't TA OCdts pass orf with swords? It would bring a certain elan to the affair and offset the hush puppies.

And you'd know they could do the thing with the pointy object on a formal parde.
 
#10
Because, going back to the original point, it would have taken far too much time out of our already limited time at RMAS. It's a great place, weirdly missed it once we passed out, but the fact that we only had 3 weeks there meant our feet never touched the ground for a second. Same detail with all the preceeding modules too.
 
#11
Doing rifle drill on ops ... hard Corps.

As an aside, why couldn't TA OCdts pass orf with swords? It would bring a certain elan to the affair and offset the hush puppies.

And you'd know they could do the thing with the pointy object on a formal parde.
It does not matter whether it's swords or rifles; you won't carry them on parade at RMAS unless you can do it to a standard acceptable to RMAS, so that would mean spending at least half of the TACC on parade rehearsal.
 
#12
Gaetano, your welcome to read and consider the range of views presented above but the actual reason is below:




Because they're shit.

Hope this helps.
 
#14
Lot's of good input here. Very encouraging and 'modern'.

However, the real reason is much simpler, you is all mongs. You have butter fingers and your arms are weak. Many of you find it hard to remember to step off on the left foot, let alone how to change arms at the slope.

Stick to what you are good at. ( What is that by the way? Writing risk assessments? )
 
#16
Stick to what you are good at. Ignoring as many pointless 'generic' risk assessments cut and pasted by regulars with more time on their hands than they can spend on the golf course as possible
Fixed for you
 
#18
Lot's of good input here. Very encouraging and 'modern'.

However, the real reason is much simpler, you is all mongs. You have butter fingers and your arms are weak. Many of you find it hard to remember to step off on the left foot, let alone how to change arms at the slope.

Stick to what you are good at. ( What is that by the way? Writing risk assessments? )
You're not a CSGT at RMAS are you by any chance?
 

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#19
Lot's of good input here. Very encouraging and 'modern'.

However, the real reason is much simpler, you is all mongs. You have butter fingers and your arms are weak. Many of you find it hard to remember to step off on the left foot, let alone how to change arms at the slope.

Stick to what you are good at. ( What is that by the way? Writing risk assessments? )
Without taking sides in the STAB/ARAB debate, the reason for excessive drill is that, without the constant re-assurance of simple and familiar rituals, regular soldiers will develop a range of neuroses. Drill reduces anxiety in these people by focusing them on a series of tasks which are within their ability to achieve, like standing in a line, and which can be achieved after only a few weeks of intensive training. Telling them which leg to move and when gives them the chance to avoid making a decision which many would otherwise find traumatic.

In America, drill is used to inculcate a sense of worth in High School losers who might otherwise go on a murderous rampage with their parents' firearms collection (see below) and has been hailed as a major breakthrough in the treatment of OCD.
 

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At a rough guess, I would say so that a) the DS have it in their bag of tricks to instill discipline & uniformity in the ranks during the first term, b) the newly minted officers can look their Toms in the eye, and c) they can differentiate themselves from STABs.

That said, I did rifle drill in my STAB basic. Mit L1A1.

All the officers in my regiment had rifles on ops. From the CO down.

None of the above. The first term don't carry rifles, they cut around at the back looking scared with no rifles or swords. Rifle drill is saved for the intermediate term. Why rifle drill means you can look a tom in the eye or 'be different' from stabs I have no idea, I've never met a tom who gave a shit that the boss once did some rifle drill and the clue in the difference from stabs might be the 750 people on Old College square as opposed to 40.

Real reason? Because lots of swords look untidy on parade. RMAS still has 600+ swords in the armoury as a few years back the entire senior term would commission with swords on parade, but look at the photos...it gave the AcSM a headache so only JUOs get swords.

If you let HDiv run the show, then madness is what you get.
 

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