TA Infantry Reforms

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  1. has anyone got any juicy goss on the proposed TA Infantry reforms? Like what regiments are going to be reformed or lost? New Battalions?
     
  2. No, no news has leaked since the regular part of FAS was announced. That may change on Friday, another (TA) Bn getting the chop wouldn't be the best news to release at the moment.
     
  3. Polar, you must be having a slack day like me! 8)
     
  4. Polar, any idea who's in the frame?
     
  5. No just refering to the original FAS statement

    Infantry TA will reduce from 15 to 14 battalions
     
  6. this from www.regiments.org


    Guards Division
    (5 Regular battalions in 5 regiments - no change; confirmed Dec. 2004)

    Grenadier Guards
    1st Battalion
    Coldstream Guards
    1st Battalion
    Scots Guards
    1st Battalion
    Irish Guards
    1st Battalion
    Welsh Guards
    1st Battalion
    Honourable Artillery Company [T.A.] - re-roled as infantry + 1 coy [prediction]
    A Company - ex 1 Sqn HAC
    B Company - ex 2 Sqn HAC
    C Company - ex 3 Sqn HAC
    D (Middlesex) Company at Edgware - ex B Coy, London Regt



    Scottish Division (5 Regular battalions in 1 regiment)

    The Royal Regiment of Scotland
    new "large" regiment; provisional regt and bn titles announced Dec. 2004
    The Royal Scots and King's Own Scottish Borderers (1st Battalion The Royal Regiment of Scotland) - merger of 1st Bn Royal Scots and 1st Bn KOSB
    The Royal Highland Fusiliers (2nd Battalion The Royal Regiment of Scotland) - ex 1st Bn RHF
    The Black Watch (3rd Battalion The Royal Regiment of Scotland) - ex 1st Bn Black Watch
    The Highlanders (4th Battalion The Royal Regiment of Scotland) - ex 1st Bn The Highlanders
    The Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders (5th Battalion The Royal Regiment of Scotland) - ex 1st Bn Argyll & Sutherland Hlders
    6th Battalion [T.A.] - ex 52nd Lowland Regt [prediction]
    A (Royal Scots) Company at Edinburgh
    B (Royal Highland Fusiliers) Company at Ayr
    C (Royal Highland Fusiliers) Company at Glasgow
    D (King's Own Scottish Borderers) Company at Galashiel

    7th Battalion [T.A.] - ex 51st Highland Regt + 1 coy [prediction]
    A (Black Watch) Company at Dundee
    B (Gordons) Company at Peterhead
    C (Seaforth & Camerons) Company at Inverness
    D (Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders) Company at Dumbarton
    E (Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders) Company at Stirling
    G (London Scottish) Company at Westminster, London - ex A Coy, London Regt


    Queen's Division (6 Regular battalions in 3 regiments)

    The Princess of Wales's Royal Regiment
    large regt was created in 1993, but omits "Queen's and Royal Hampshires" subtitle and absorbs Berkshire and Wiltshire element of RGBW
    1st Battalion

    2nd Battalion
    3rd Battalion [T.A.] - ex 3rd Bn PWRR + 2 coys [prediction]
    HQ (The Buffs) Company at Canterbury
    A (Queen's Royal Surreys) Company at Farnham
    B (Royal Sussex) Company at Brighton
    C (Princess of Wales's Hampshire) Company at Portsmouth - ex C Coy, Royal Rifle Vols and re-badged from PWRR
    D (Berkshire and Wiltshire) Company at Reading & Swindon - ex RGBW Coy, Royal Rifle Vols
    E (Royal West Kent) Company at Canterbury


    The Royal Regiment of Fusiliers
    large regt was formed in 1968 [no change]
    1st Battalion

    2nd Battalion
    3rd Battalion [T.A.] - formed by reorganisation of companies [prediction]:
    A (Warwickshire) Company at Sheldon, Birmingham - ex A Coy, West Midlands Regt
    C (City of London) Company at Balham, London - ex C Coy, London Regt
    X (Northumberland) Company at Newcastle upon Tyne - ex X Coy, Tyne Tees Regt
    Z (Northumberland) Company at Ashington - ex Z Coy, Tyne Tees Regt

    The Royal Anglian Regiment
    large regt was formed in 1964 [no change]
    1st Battalion

    2nd Battalion
    3rd Battalion [T.A.] - ex East of England Regt, less D (WSFR) Coy [prediction]:
    HQ (Suffolk) Company at Blenheim Camp, Bury St Edmunds
    A (Norfolk and Suffolk) Company at Norwich & Lowestoft
    B (Lincolnshire) Company at Lincoln
    C (Leicestershire and Northamptonshire) Company at Leicester & Northampton
    E (Essex and Hertfordshire) Company at Chelmsford


    King's Division (5 Regular battalions in 2 regiments)

    The King's, Lancashire and Border Regiment
    new "large" regiment; 3 regular bns (1st Bn KORBR, 1st Bn King's, 1st Bn Queen's Lancashire Regt) merge into 2 without subtitles
    1st Battalion

    2nd Battalion
    3rd Battalion [T.A.] - ex Lancastrian & Cumbrian Regt + King's coys [prediction]
    HQ (Quebec) Company at Kimberley Barracks, Preston
    A Tobruk (King's Own Royal Border Regiment) Company at Barrow in Furness
    B Somme (Queen's Lancashire Regiment) Company at Preston
    C Sicily (King's Own Royal Border Regiment) Company at Workington
    D Waterloo (Queen's Lancashire Regiment) Company at Blackburn
    E (King's) Company at Liverpool including Liverpool Scottish Pln -- ex A Coy, King's & Cheshire Regt
    F (King's) Company at Manchester - ex C Coy, King's & Cheshire Regt

    The Yorkshire Regiment (14th/15th, 19th and 33rd/76th)
    new "large" regiment; senior Colonel-in-Chief lends her name (having been Honorary Colonel of all Yorkshire Volunteers from 1968); between 2006-2008 3 regular bns merge into 2 and omit subtitles; TA reverts closely to 1967 structure
    1st Battalion (Prince of Wales's Own)- ex 1st Bn POWORY

    2nd Battalion (Green Howards) - ex 1st Bn Green Howards
    3rd Battalion (Duke of Wellington's)- ex 1st Bn Duke of Wellington's Regt
    4th Battalion [T.A.] - ex East & West Riding Regt + GH coys + Durham (LI) Coy [prediction]
    A (Green Howards) Company at Scarborough - ex A Coy, Tyne Tees Regt
    B (Green Howards) Company at Middlesbrough - ex B Coy Tyne Tees Regt
    Ypres Company (Duke of Wellington's Regiment) at Huddersfield
    Fontenay Company (Duke of Wellington's Regiment) at Barnsley
    Quebec Company (Prince of Wales's Own Regiment of Yorkshire) at Hull
    Imphal Company (Prince of Wales's Own Regiment of Yorkshire) at York
    Minden Company at Wakefield - ex Minden Coy, East & West Riding Regt
    Durham Company at Bishop Auckland - ex C Coy, Tyne Tees Regt



    Prince of Wales's Division (5 Regular battalions in 2 regiments)

    The Mercian Regiment
    new "large" regiment
    1st Battalion (Cheshires) - ex 1st Bn Cheshire Regt

    2nd Battalion (Worcesters and Foresters) - ex 1st Bn WSFR
    3rd Battalion (Staffords) - ex 1st Bn Staffordshire Regt
    4th Battalion [T.A.] - formed by reorganisation of companies [prediction]:
    A (Cheshire) Company at Warrington - ex B Coy, King's & Cheshire Regt
    B (Cheshire) Company at Crewe -- ex D Coy, King's & Cheshire Regt
    C (Worcestershire) Company at Kidderminster - ex B Coy, West Midlands Regt
    D (Staffordshire) Company at Burton-on-Trent - ex C Coy, West Midlands Regt
    E (Staffordshire) Company at Stoke-on-Trent - ex D Coy, West Midlands Regt
    F (Nottinghamshire and Derbyshire) Company at Mansfield - ex D Coy, East of England Regt

    The Royal Welsh
    new "large" regiment
    1st Battalion, The Royal Welsh (The Royal Welch Fusiliers) - ex 1st Bn Royal Welch Fusiliers

    2nd Battalion, The Royal Welsh (The Royal Regiment of Wales) - ex 1st Bn Royal Regt of Wales
    3rd Battalion [T.A.] - ex Royal Welsh Regt [prediction]
    A (Royal Welch Fusiliers) Company at Colwyn Bay
    B (Royal Regiment of Wales) Company at Swansea
    C (Royal Regiment of Wales) Company at Cardiff
    D (Royal Welch Fusiliers) Company at Wrexham


    Light Division (4 Regular battalions in 2 regiments)

    The Light Infantry
    large regt was formed in 1968
    1st Battalion - formed by merger of 1st Bn Devonshire and Dorset Regt and Gloucestershire element of 1st Bn RGBW
    2nd Battalion - redesignation of 1st Bn

    3rd Battalion - redesignation of 2nd Bn
    4th Battalion [T.A.] - formed by reorganisation of companies [prediction]:
    A (Devonshire) Company at Pymouth & Exeter - - ex E Coy, Rifle Vols
    B (Somerset) Company at Taunton - ex B Coy, Rifle Vols
    C (Cornwall) Company at Truro - ex D Coy, Rifle Vols
    D (Gloucestershire) Company at Gloucester - ex RGBW Coy, Rifle Vols
    E (Dorset) Company at Dorchester - ex C Coy, Rifle Vols
    F (Shropshire & Herefordshire) Company at Shrewsbury & Hereford, ex E Coy, West Midlands Regt

    The Royal Green Jackets
    large regt was formed in 1966 [no change]
    1st Battalion

    2nd Battalion
    3rd Battalion [T.A.] - formed by reorganisation of companies [prediction]:
    HQ Company at Battersea, London - ex HQ Coy, London Regt
    A (Oxfordshire) Company at Oxford - ex A Coy, Royal Rifle Vols
    B (Buckinghamshire) Company at Milton Keynes - ex E Coy, Royal Rifle Vols
    C (Royal Green Jackets) Company at Fulham and Davies Street, London - ex F Coy, London Regt
    D (Royal Green Jackets) Company at West Ham, London - ex G Coy, London Regt


    non-divisional (7 Regular battalions in 4 regiments - no changes)

    The Royal Irish Regiment (27th (Inniskilling) 83rd & 87th & The Ulster Defence Regt)
    large regt was created in 1968 (and modified in 1992); Home Service bns continue to reduce, merge, and finally disband upon conclusion of peace settlement in Northern Ireland; TA reverts closely to 1967 structure
    1st Battalion - no change

    2nd (Rangers) Battalion [T.A.] - ex Royal Irish Rangers + 1 coy [prediction]
    HQ Company at Portadown
    A Company at Newtownards
    B Company at Abbotscroft, Newtownabbey
    C (London Irish) Company at London - ex D Coy, London Regt

    3rd (Home Service) Battalion - ex 2nd Bn
    4th (Home Service) Battalion - ex 3rd Bn
    5th (Home Service) Battalion - ex 4th Bn


    The Parachute Regiment
    1st Battalion

    2nd Battalion
    3rd Battalion
    4th Battalion [T.A.]
    10 (London) Company at White City, London
    12 (Yorkshire) Company at Pudsey
    15 (Scottish) Company at Glasgow

    The Royal Gurkha Rifles

    1st Battalion

    2nd Battalion


    Special Air Service Regiment

    22nd SAS

    21st SAS [T.A.]
    23rd SAS [T.A.]

    Special Reconnaissance Regiment, new unit formed 2005
     
  7. Wrong....
     
  8. That sort of backs up what was said in the original thread (quite a lot of it fact).
    So they are agreeing that Kings and Cheshire Regiment is going to chopped, the remainder moving around (Tyne Tees to become a RRF Bn)
     
  9. Big Al, please expand on your comment. What have you heard. The proposals taken from www.regiments.org is the only indication of what may happen. From my experience "rumour control" is normally 80% right.
     
  10. Quite a bit of the regiments.org post is inaccurate.

    For example:

    is wrong.

    I suspect that there is unlikely to be any nationally recruited TA Bns (with the exception of 4 Para). This would make:

    a non starter.
     
  11. So we're no further forward than the hot air thread last year when the upshot seemed to be 3/4/5th Bns the Northern Monkeys, the 3/4/5th Bns the Cockney W@nkers and 3/4th The Jocks, with 3/4th Ulster says never never never Regt.
     
  12. So you're saying RRF for the chop Big_Al?

    Or do you think solely geographically, it's a non-starter?

    They could always retain C Coy in Balham , and reform 5 and 6?
     
  13. because the 'new' bn's need to be able perform CCRF duties, national bn's can't do this
     
  14. Isn't the Tyne Tees Regiment already the Territorial Bn for the RRF? (and West Midland Regiment the territorial Bn for the Mercians)
     
  15. I strongly suspect the RRF will get a TA Bn but that it wont be made of the RRF Coys around the country.

    I believe solution is fairly intuitive with the exception of the 2 Regts (not including Ft Gds) who recruit nationally, the RRF and LI. They have Coys dotted round the country that don't fit into nice TA Bns.