TA Infantry Reforms

#2
No, no news has leaked since the regular part of FAS was announced. That may change on Friday, another (TA) Bn getting the chop wouldn't be the best news to release at the moment.
 
#5
PartTimePongo said:
Polar, any idea who's in the frame?
No just refering to the original FAS statement

FAS said:
The plans will further integrate the TA and Reserves with the Regular
Army - increasing the sense of identity, improving overall readiness
and meeting the concerns of TA personnel and their employers.

* The TA will remain the same size as it is today.
* The future TA structure will ensure a more relevant, capable and
usable TA.
* The Infantry TA will reduce from 15 to 14 battalions and will
integrate into the new infantry structure restoring a true sense of
identity at TA battalion level. They will complement the new regular
infantry structure, drawing them closer together to improve
operational and training affiliations, greater integration and
readiness.
Infantry TA will reduce from 15 to 14 battalions
 
#6
this from www.regiments.org


Guards Division
(5 Regular battalions in 5 regiments - no change; confirmed Dec. 2004)

Grenadier Guards
1st Battalion
Coldstream Guards
1st Battalion
Scots Guards
1st Battalion
Irish Guards
1st Battalion
Welsh Guards
1st Battalion
Honourable Artillery Company [T.A.] - re-roled as infantry + 1 coy [prediction]
A Company - ex 1 Sqn HAC
B Company - ex 2 Sqn HAC
C Company - ex 3 Sqn HAC
D (Middlesex) Company at Edgware - ex B Coy, London Regt



Scottish Division (5 Regular battalions in 1 regiment)

The Royal Regiment of Scotland
new "large" regiment; provisional regt and bn titles announced Dec. 2004
The Royal Scots and King's Own Scottish Borderers (1st Battalion The Royal Regiment of Scotland) - merger of 1st Bn Royal Scots and 1st Bn KOSB
The Royal Highland Fusiliers (2nd Battalion The Royal Regiment of Scotland) - ex 1st Bn RHF
The Black Watch (3rd Battalion The Royal Regiment of Scotland) - ex 1st Bn Black Watch
The Highlanders (4th Battalion The Royal Regiment of Scotland) - ex 1st Bn The Highlanders
The Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders (5th Battalion The Royal Regiment of Scotland) - ex 1st Bn Argyll & Sutherland Hlders
6th Battalion [T.A.] - ex 52nd Lowland Regt [prediction]
A (Royal Scots) Company at Edinburgh
B (Royal Highland Fusiliers) Company at Ayr
C (Royal Highland Fusiliers) Company at Glasgow
D (King's Own Scottish Borderers) Company at Galashiel

7th Battalion [T.A.] - ex 51st Highland Regt + 1 coy [prediction]
A (Black Watch) Company at Dundee
B (Gordons) Company at Peterhead
C (Seaforth & Camerons) Company at Inverness
D (Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders) Company at Dumbarton
E (Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders) Company at Stirling
G (London Scottish) Company at Westminster, London - ex A Coy, London Regt


Queen's Division (6 Regular battalions in 3 regiments)

The Princess of Wales's Royal Regiment
large regt was created in 1993, but omits "Queen's and Royal Hampshires" subtitle and absorbs Berkshire and Wiltshire element of RGBW
1st Battalion

2nd Battalion
3rd Battalion [T.A.] - ex 3rd Bn PWRR + 2 coys [prediction]
HQ (The Buffs) Company at Canterbury
A (Queen's Royal Surreys) Company at Farnham
B (Royal Sussex) Company at Brighton
C (Princess of Wales's Hampshire) Company at Portsmouth - ex C Coy, Royal Rifle Vols and re-badged from PWRR
D (Berkshire and Wiltshire) Company at Reading & Swindon - ex RGBW Coy, Royal Rifle Vols
E (Royal West Kent) Company at Canterbury


The Royal Regiment of Fusiliers
large regt was formed in 1968 [no change]
1st Battalion

2nd Battalion
3rd Battalion [T.A.] - formed by reorganisation of companies [prediction]:
A (Warwickshire) Company at Sheldon, Birmingham - ex A Coy, West Midlands Regt
C (City of London) Company at Balham, London - ex C Coy, London Regt
X (Northumberland) Company at Newcastle upon Tyne - ex X Coy, Tyne Tees Regt
Z (Northumberland) Company at Ashington - ex Z Coy, Tyne Tees Regt

The Royal Anglian Regiment
large regt was formed in 1964 [no change]
1st Battalion

2nd Battalion
3rd Battalion [T.A.] - ex East of England Regt, less D (WSFR) Coy [prediction]:
HQ (Suffolk) Company at Blenheim Camp, Bury St Edmunds
A (Norfolk and Suffolk) Company at Norwich & Lowestoft
B (Lincolnshire) Company at Lincoln
C (Leicestershire and Northamptonshire) Company at Leicester & Northampton
E (Essex and Hertfordshire) Company at Chelmsford


King's Division (5 Regular battalions in 2 regiments)

The King's, Lancashire and Border Regiment
new "large" regiment; 3 regular bns (1st Bn KORBR, 1st Bn King's, 1st Bn Queen's Lancashire Regt) merge into 2 without subtitles
1st Battalion

2nd Battalion
3rd Battalion [T.A.] - ex Lancastrian & Cumbrian Regt + King's coys [prediction]
HQ (Quebec) Company at Kimberley Barracks, Preston
A Tobruk (King's Own Royal Border Regiment) Company at Barrow in Furness
B Somme (Queen's Lancashire Regiment) Company at Preston
C Sicily (King's Own Royal Border Regiment) Company at Workington
D Waterloo (Queen's Lancashire Regiment) Company at Blackburn
E (King's) Company at Liverpool including Liverpool Scottish Pln -- ex A Coy, King's & Cheshire Regt
F (King's) Company at Manchester - ex C Coy, King's & Cheshire Regt

The Yorkshire Regiment (14th/15th, 19th and 33rd/76th)
new "large" regiment; senior Colonel-in-Chief lends her name (having been Honorary Colonel of all Yorkshire Volunteers from 1968); between 2006-2008 3 regular bns merge into 2 and omit subtitles; TA reverts closely to 1967 structure
1st Battalion (Prince of Wales's Own)- ex 1st Bn POWORY

2nd Battalion (Green Howards) - ex 1st Bn Green Howards
3rd Battalion (Duke of Wellington's)- ex 1st Bn Duke of Wellington's Regt
4th Battalion [T.A.] - ex East & West Riding Regt + GH coys + Durham (LI) Coy [prediction]
A (Green Howards) Company at Scarborough - ex A Coy, Tyne Tees Regt
B (Green Howards) Company at Middlesbrough - ex B Coy Tyne Tees Regt
Ypres Company (Duke of Wellington's Regiment) at Huddersfield
Fontenay Company (Duke of Wellington's Regiment) at Barnsley
Quebec Company (Prince of Wales's Own Regiment of Yorkshire) at Hull
Imphal Company (Prince of Wales's Own Regiment of Yorkshire) at York
Minden Company at Wakefield - ex Minden Coy, East & West Riding Regt
Durham Company at Bishop Auckland - ex C Coy, Tyne Tees Regt



Prince of Wales's Division (5 Regular battalions in 2 regiments)

The Mercian Regiment
new "large" regiment
1st Battalion (Cheshires) - ex 1st Bn Cheshire Regt

2nd Battalion (Worcesters and Foresters) - ex 1st Bn WSFR
3rd Battalion (Staffords) - ex 1st Bn Staffordshire Regt
4th Battalion [T.A.] - formed by reorganisation of companies [prediction]:
A (Cheshire) Company at Warrington - ex B Coy, King's & Cheshire Regt
B (Cheshire) Company at Crewe -- ex D Coy, King's & Cheshire Regt
C (Worcestershire) Company at Kidderminster - ex B Coy, West Midlands Regt
D (Staffordshire) Company at Burton-on-Trent - ex C Coy, West Midlands Regt
E (Staffordshire) Company at Stoke-on-Trent - ex D Coy, West Midlands Regt
F (Nottinghamshire and Derbyshire) Company at Mansfield - ex D Coy, East of England Regt

The Royal Welsh
new "large" regiment
1st Battalion, The Royal Welsh (The Royal Welch Fusiliers) - ex 1st Bn Royal Welch Fusiliers

2nd Battalion, The Royal Welsh (The Royal Regiment of Wales) - ex 1st Bn Royal Regt of Wales
3rd Battalion [T.A.] - ex Royal Welsh Regt [prediction]
A (Royal Welch Fusiliers) Company at Colwyn Bay
B (Royal Regiment of Wales) Company at Swansea
C (Royal Regiment of Wales) Company at Cardiff
D (Royal Welch Fusiliers) Company at Wrexham


Light Division (4 Regular battalions in 2 regiments)

The Light Infantry
large regt was formed in 1968
1st Battalion - formed by merger of 1st Bn Devonshire and Dorset Regt and Gloucestershire element of 1st Bn RGBW
2nd Battalion - redesignation of 1st Bn

3rd Battalion - redesignation of 2nd Bn
4th Battalion [T.A.] - formed by reorganisation of companies [prediction]:
A (Devonshire) Company at Pymouth & Exeter - - ex E Coy, Rifle Vols
B (Somerset) Company at Taunton - ex B Coy, Rifle Vols
C (Cornwall) Company at Truro - ex D Coy, Rifle Vols
D (Gloucestershire) Company at Gloucester - ex RGBW Coy, Rifle Vols
E (Dorset) Company at Dorchester - ex C Coy, Rifle Vols
F (Shropshire & Herefordshire) Company at Shrewsbury & Hereford, ex E Coy, West Midlands Regt

The Royal Green Jackets
large regt was formed in 1966 [no change]
1st Battalion

2nd Battalion
3rd Battalion [T.A.] - formed by reorganisation of companies [prediction]:
HQ Company at Battersea, London - ex HQ Coy, London Regt
A (Oxfordshire) Company at Oxford - ex A Coy, Royal Rifle Vols
B (Buckinghamshire) Company at Milton Keynes - ex E Coy, Royal Rifle Vols
C (Royal Green Jackets) Company at Fulham and Davies Street, London - ex F Coy, London Regt
D (Royal Green Jackets) Company at West Ham, London - ex G Coy, London Regt


non-divisional (7 Regular battalions in 4 regiments - no changes)

The Royal Irish Regiment (27th (Inniskilling) 83rd & 87th & The Ulster Defence Regt)
large regt was created in 1968 (and modified in 1992); Home Service bns continue to reduce, merge, and finally disband upon conclusion of peace settlement in Northern Ireland; TA reverts closely to 1967 structure
1st Battalion - no change

2nd (Rangers) Battalion [T.A.] - ex Royal Irish Rangers + 1 coy [prediction]
HQ Company at Portadown
A Company at Newtownards
B Company at Abbotscroft, Newtownabbey
C (London Irish) Company at London - ex D Coy, London Regt

3rd (Home Service) Battalion - ex 2nd Bn
4th (Home Service) Battalion - ex 3rd Bn
5th (Home Service) Battalion - ex 4th Bn


The Parachute Regiment
1st Battalion

2nd Battalion
3rd Battalion
4th Battalion [T.A.]
10 (London) Company at White City, London
12 (Yorkshire) Company at Pudsey
15 (Scottish) Company at Glasgow

The Royal Gurkha Rifles

1st Battalion

2nd Battalion


Special Air Service Regiment

22nd SAS

21st SAS [T.A.]
23rd SAS [T.A.]

Special Reconnaissance Regiment, new unit formed 2005
 
#10
Quite a bit of the regiments.org post is inaccurate.

For example:

The Yorkshire Regiment (14th/15th, 19th and 33rd/76th)

... 2006-2008 3 regular bns merge into 2
is wrong.

I suspect that there is unlikely to be any nationally recruited TA Bns (with the exception of 4 Para). This would make:

The Royal Regiment of Fusiliers

...

3rd Battalion [T.A.] - formed by reorganisation of companies [prediction]:

A (Warwickshire) Company at Sheldon, Birmingham - ex A Coy, West Midlands Regt

C (City of London) Company at Balham, London - ex C Coy, London Regt

X (Northumberland) Company at Newcastle upon Tyne - ex X Coy, Tyne Tees Regt

Z (Northumberland) Company at Ashington - ex Z Coy, Tyne Tees Regt
a non starter.
 
#11
So we're no further forward than the hot air thread last year when the upshot seemed to be 3/4/5th Bns the Northern Monkeys, the 3/4/5th Bns the Cockney W@nkers and 3/4th The Jocks, with 3/4th Ulster says never never never Regt.
 
#12
So you're saying RRF for the chop Big_Al?

Or do you think solely geographically, it's a non-starter?

They could always retain C Coy in Balham , and reform 5 and 6?
 
#13
Big_Al said:
I suspect that there is unlikely to be any nationally recruited TA Bns (with the exception of 4 Para).
because the 'new' bn's need to be able perform CCRF duties, national bn's can't do this
 
#14
PartTimePongo said:
So you're saying RRF for the chop Big_Al?
Isn't the Tyne Tees Regiment already the Territorial Bn for the RRF? (and West Midland Regiment the territorial Bn for the Mercians)
 
#15
I strongly suspect the RRF will get a TA Bn but that it wont be made of the RRF Coys around the country.

I believe solution is fairly intuitive with the exception of the 2 Regts (not including Ft Gds) who recruit nationally, the RRF and LI. They have Coys dotted round the country that don't fit into nice TA Bns.
 
#17
Bollox. CCRFs are based on a Bn HQ, manpower comes from the local region, so there's no reason why - for example - 4PARA's Bn HQ at Pudsey couldn't command a conglomerate of manpower drawn from EWRR, Tyne Tees, 34 Sigs, RLC etc. The fact that it doesn't at the moment doesn't preclude an RRF Bn HQ in London doing the same, or an LI Bn HQ in (take your pick).

Anyway, CCRF threads are why there's a whole new thread entitled 'infantry are boring fackers, discuss'...
 
#18
polar said:
PartTimePongo said:
So you're saying RRF for the chop Big_Al?
Isn't the Tyne Tees Regiment already the Territorial Bn for the RRF? (and West Midland Regiment the territorial Bn for the Mercians)
Not sure what you mean. TTR is a King's Div Regt by affilitation despite the fact that it has RRF and LI Coys as well as GH.
 
#19
stabtastic said:
Bollox. CCRFs are based on a Bn HQ, manpower comes from the local region, so there's no reason why - for example - 4PARA's Bn HQ at Pudsey couldn't command a conglomerate of manpower drawn from EWRR, Tyne Tees, 34 Sigs, RLC etc. The fact that it doesn't at the moment doesn't preclude an RRF Bn HQ in London doing the same, or an LI Bn HQ in (take your pick).
Technically your right but surely it would be easier to existing chain of command (as far as I know 4 PARA have only sent 1 WO2 on any recent 15 Bde ex's)

Londons is to be TA Bn of the Guards, only them and RRF doesn't have a TA Bn at the mo (I was wrong in my earlier post)
 
#20
Why not have Bn's that are recruited over a larger national area?

Organisation is done over the phone/e-mail/post
Most weekends are Coy Weekends
Bn weekends can be counted on one hand
Brigade weekends are held every year or so
For years local coach companies have transported troops so MT isn't a prob
Most units have to drive for hours and don't get to a training area until after midnight anyway.
A multi-badged Bn attached to a One Badge reg Bn would create animosity
Annual Camps are all over the place and unless you are based in Brecon, Catterick or Salisbury you will have to travel to meet up.


So why not have same bagded Bn's spread over large areas?
 

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