TA Infantry or National Guard who would you want on flank?

#5
It's a bit vague don't you think.

There are some excellent TA infantry units, and there are also some that are not nearly as good.

I can imagine that the situation is the same for the National Guard.

On the other hand, I can imagine that the NG have better options for fire support (all that 'shock and awe' stuff they keep talking about).
 
#6
I think I'd take the National Guard, as most have had a number of tours already in Iraq & Afganistan. I may be wrong, but I don't think that the TA as units have BTDT all that much.

I have to agree with Tartan_Terrier, some National Guard units are better then others and I would presume TA units would be the same. Doesn't the TA have SAS units? All of our non-active duty Special Forces Units are National Guard and all have deployed often to both places. They are well trained
 
#7
As long as the National Guard units didn't tear off in quick time when the rounds started coming down, screaming "get out of the killing zone" like in that Haliburton convoy ambush video....then yeah, they can come and play. :)
 
#8
Spams or British?

Looking at Spams running 2nd rate prisions, Running away in contact, and chewing tabaco...I'll stick with UK TA forces every time. Bit of a silly question really.
 
#9
Skinn_Full said:
As long as the National Guard units didn't tear off in quick time when the rounds started coming down, screaming "get out of the killing zone" like in that Haliburton convoy ambush video....then yeah, they can come and play. :)
-Umm, yeah, except that was a Transportation unit, NOT Infantry :roll:
 
#11
I've only seen One TA unit, and you've disbanded it this year. They were Very Professional though(RIR*).

We have good & bad NG Infantry Units. Some were under the old TO&E for M113 Mech, some are M2BFV, some Light. As "T-W" said there are several SF Units, LRSD's,etc.

The old "E" Brigades were equipped to a high standard in the Infantry Bn's (M4's, AN/PVS-14's, AN/PEQ-2's, M2A2ODS, M1A1's,BFT,DAGR, etc.), then the Divisions.

Now of those 15 brigades, 75% or better have been in either Iraq or A-Stan recently. In My state,(NY) all the Infantry Bn's had had a year in Iraq already. Same for Louisiana as well, Texas, Florida, Vermont, Hawaii, Guam, etc.

Since late 2001 My unit has deployed twice , once for 13 month's & then again for 18 Month's.

How does that compare to the TA?

* ( one of their Cpl's is a legend in our Bn., he beat the shite out of our old Bn. CSM after a night of Bar-hopping in Manhatten) He rates a Pint anyday....
 
#12
LineDoggie said:
* ( one of their Cpl's is a legend in our Bn., he beat the shite out of our old Bn. CSM after a night of Bar-hopping in Manhatten) He rates a Pint anyday....
pull up a sandbag and swing the light: do tell more
 
#13
The TA now has more ex reg's than ever before, And most unit's have been to iraq or afghan, And your forgetting one thing The TA is part of the British Army Which is the best Fighting force in the world, So it goes without saying that the TA is the one i would rather have on my flank, Having seen both TA and NG in Iraq.
 
#15
Depends national guard have more fire power.TA have no transport so wont be able to run away :D
 
#16
Sorry the question was a bit misty!
The main effort was to see if the TA had changed in the eyes of Regular infantry.
The NG were used to see how we would be graded against a better armed counterpart.

no offence was meant the NG.

Last time I checked there was no record of formed TA infantry unit (Coy or Platoon)running away ,but then I could be wrong!
In fact the TA infantry were sacrificed in France to allow the regular units to withdraw....51st Highland Division.



Most units carry their VC winners that were TA in their history.....Check the Argyll and other Regts web sites.
This is not to undermine the proud history of our English/Irish/Welsh TA units and of course the Regular units which to be honest we try emulate.

My unit is on its third time out in Iraq/Afghan as a formed unit....and plans for more are in the pipe line....

But then again thats what we are here for... :wink:

Anyway I was pissed when i put that post on so sorry! 8)

I Changed this post as the information....which I was passed on a battle tour of the Battle of the Bulge are in 1999... in incorrect
so i'm climbing into a small box to hide in shame untill futher notice....
save me from typing crap to this thread in a wine haze on stupid... :oops:
 
#17
woody said:
Depends national guard have more fire power.TA have no transport so wont be able to run away :D
This is scurrilous nonsense; those coaches are but a mobile phone call away and they're never late!

Report for WFM re-indoctrination immediately!
 
#18
"The 52 Lowland Division saved American Forces in The Battle of the Bulge"- Ummm... "52nd? according to my sources the 52nd wasnt involved, but quite possibly you have other sources.

UK Ground forces involved in the Ardennes(55,000);

6th Airborne, 51st Highland, 53rd Welsh, 29th Armoured Bde., 33rd Armoured Bde., 34th Army Tank bde.


USA Ground forces involved in the Ardennes(Division size elements only);

1st , 2nd, 4th, 5th, 8th, 9th, 26th, 28th, 30th, 35th, 75th, 78th, 80th, 83rd, 84th, 85th, 90th, 99th, 106th Infantry Divisions(most of the POW's were from the 106th, & the 28th).

17th, 82nd , & 101st Airborne Divisions 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 6th, 7th, 9th, 10th, 11th Armored Divisions.


You do realize that there were 600,000 US Soldiers involved, of which 81,000 became Casualties-(19,000KIA, 15,000POW, 47,000WIA/NBI)

UK forces were 55,000-of which 1,400 became casualties(200KIA, 1,200WIA/NBI)
 
#20
delberto said:
Tartan_Ninja said:
In fact the TA infantry were sacrificed in France to allow the regular units to withdraw....51st Highland Division.

8)
There was also a little scuffle at Calais that involved some TA.
That was the Queen Vic's.

Then there was 4 OBLI at Cassel.

...and the Bucks Bn at Hazebrouck.
 

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