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TA Cuts U-Turn Merged Thread

#3
So once again, we have a grand strategic level HQ involving itself in the business of an FLC running its budget for the sake of media headlines. I don't support the option at all, but surely unless £20m is magically found from somewhere, we are left with a net problem of finding £20m from elsewhere in the LAND budget. What exactly do we now want LAND to stop doing in order to keep the TA playing until April (and I say this as a Reservist).

Will the PM intervene every time the MOD tries to implement spending cuts to meet his own proscribed budget levels, or is it only when he thinks votes are at stake?
 
#4
jim30 said:
So once again, we have a grand strategic level HQ involving itself in the business of an FLC running its budget for the sake of media headlines. I don't support the option at all, but surely unless £20m is magically found from somewhere, we are left with a net problem of finding £20m from elsewhere in the LAND budget. What exactly do we now want LAND to stop doing in order to keep the TA playing until April (and I say this as a Reservist).

Will the PM intervene every time the MOD tries to implement spending cuts to meet his own proscribed budget levels, or is it only when he thinks votes are at stake?
He spent £5 (?) Billion commiting 2x Aircraft Carriers to being built in his home constituency.... he's capable of anything. Roll on May.
 
#5
Mr_Bridger said:
jim30 said:
So once again, we have a grand strategic level HQ involving itself in the business of an FLC running its budget for the sake of media headlines. I don't support the option at all, but surely unless £20m is magically found from somewhere, we are left with a net problem of finding £20m from elsewhere in the LAND budget. What exactly do we now want LAND to stop doing in order to keep the TA playing until April (and I say this as a Reservist).

Will the PM intervene every time the MOD tries to implement spending cuts to meet his own proscribed budget levels, or is it only when he thinks votes are at stake?
He spent £5 (?) Billion commiting 2x Aircraft Carriers to being built in his home constituency.... he's capable of anything. Roll on May.
Or in the Sunday Times today, 1x Aircraft Carrier and 1x Commando Carrier.
 
#8
auditwinships you are posting on Current Affairs, try to keep it to the subject, or preferably dont post at all. Go to the Naafi if you want to crayon everywhere.
 
#9
jarrod248 said:
What a c0ck. The Iron chancellor, isn't that what they called him? He's a spineless creep too scared to make a decision and when he makes one he changes his mind. The words one-eyed cnut and leadership do not go together.
A man who seems obsessed with writing about courage, but possesses none of his own.

Incidentally, 20 million, why the feck are we scraping around trying to save that amount of money anyway? Defence of the realm is a PM's first priority FFS. Given the cash he and his commie cohorts have splurged on utter, utter shite over the years why is the MOD budget being squeezed in this manner?
 
#10
if they need to pull back money, they could always pull it from the MP expenses budget - no expenses no temptation. or, they could pull it from the welfare state so that we are not supporting 25yr old layabouts with nothing wrong with them other than a terminal degree of laziness, job jobbed
 
#12
Nice way to run government.

It was not the fact that you were effectively disbanding a volunteer force....

It was not that you were going to put additional strain on an already stretched regular forces....

It was not the fact that you were putting lives at risk....

and the dozens of other genuine,common sense reasons not to bugger the TA about..

The only reason they are talking about backtracking was because it is going to make the Prime minister/government look bad..?

Utter fecking madness,our entire governments policy is basically what looks good in the next days papers.
 
#13
Interestingly, this is where "one Army" and the public's perspective of what that means could do Brown more harm then his previous brush with the military.

jim30 - I don't think anyone here is arguing the difficulty facing the MOD in trying to balance the books when the government is underfunding the current war operations (and until recently TELIC). What the current debate is about to highlight is Brown's complete financial ignorance of what it costs to send the military forces of a country to war.

On the face of it - his financial planning and funding of the MOD since taking his senior Ministerial role and subsequently becoming Prime Minister has led to the cutting of six months of training for the TA. Forget the restructuring discussion and role of the TA for the moment; The current cutbacks are clear proof that Brown has not been able to budget for the MOD in spite of being the man with 100% of the influence.

So, step forward and explain it to the country Gordon. Let's hear what Gordon Brown can tell this country of the TA or the wider armed forces for that matter.

He's likely to get as good a reaction as Nick Griifin had on Question Time last week.

Go on Gordon - let's all hear your take on the TA and how you couldn't budget / your Ministers couldn't budget at the MOD - who's been lying to who, Gordon?
 
#15
jim30 said:
So once again, we have a grand strategic level HQ involving itself in the business of an FLC running its budget for the sake of media headlines. I don't support the option at all, but surely unless £20m is magically found from somewhere, we are left with a net problem of finding £20m from elsewhere in the LAND budget. What exactly do we now want LAND to stop doing in order to keep the TA playing until April (and I say this as a Reservist).
I would hope that the TA aren't playing, but training. Six months without training will set them back in terms of skill; but the real issue is a substantial percentage of lads who will no doubt leave if they aren't given the opportunity to train.

£20m is pocket change when you take into account the time and money it will take to bring the TA back up to strength when it's needed.

Also, I don't support the argument that LAND should stop doing anything to fund the TA. If LAND doesn't have the budget, the Government needs to give it to them.

Finally, the Government itself runs its budget for the sake of media headlines and votes, and that's the route cause of this problem. It isn't a case of having no money, but that the money we do have is being spend on modern art, suits for the unemployed and vast aid donations to countries with strong economies.
 

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#17
Let's be fair about this - or at least try.

Gordon Brown (cunt that he is), is still busily cutting the MOD budget because he's bankrupted the country and now has to save some money, and where else better than in the thing he hates the most - the armed forces that allowed the cunt to have a job in the first place by keeping this country free and democratic.

The Army, despite being in the middle of a vicious war in Afghanistan is being denied of desperately needed funds, NOT by Gordon Brown (cunt that he is) personally, but by the freaks that run the MOD. THEY are being asked to make savings, and it is THEY who have decided that the actual fighting forces (the army) should be the ones to face some of the most stupid cuts. The boss of the army has decided that if such cuts should be made, he'd rather make them to the TA, forgetting (or being so ****ing terminally stupid) that not only are the TA currently providig about 500 soldiers and specialists to Afghanistan, or 10% of all services personnel currently on active service, but that for the paltry savings being demanded of the TA, the whole thing is going to come crashing down, possibly never to recover.

It's not just Gordon Brown (cunt that he is) who's responsible for this - it's various tw@ts inside the MOD, including yet more fuckwits in the Army chain of command. Every t0sser in that chain of 'command decisions' should be removed from their position and sent to the front line to work alongside the men and women of both the regs and the TA and see for themselves the added value and seemless integration that occurs BECAUSE of drill nights and other training.

TA - Army on the cheap, but only so cheap.
 
#19
“These are men and women that have voluntarily chosen to serve their country and it is shameful that for the sake of a few million pounds in a budget of £37 billion they are being tossed aside. Ministers from Gordon Brown down should understand that we need the TA in Afghanistan.”

I think that sums it up nicely! I hope they verbally abuse Gordon today.
 

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