TA commission

#1
This is probably been done to death on these forums, but having used the less than awesome search function on these boards for over 15 mins trying to find a thread dedicated to this i could only find drib and drabs.

I'm a student, having just passed Recruit Selection (TA) last Sunday, I am waiting to be attested this drill night.

I'm also doing summer challenge during the summer to become a fully trained soldier, after which I hope to go to uni and train as an officer.

Does the Summer challenge "thing" count towards a commission and how quickly could I be commissioned after finishing summer challenge.

Also what is the process of a TA commission.

-PAN
 
#2
Ask your recruiting staff for an interview with your Company / Squadron / Battery Commander.

You should be able to put quite a dent in your Officer training on Summer Challenge.

msr
 
#3
Once you are a fully trained soldier the process goes like this:

Mod 2 -

Taught either over 10 weekends or a 2 week residential course. Orders and estimates + a few other things.

Mod 3 -

A 9 day battlecamp putting into practice what you did on Mod 2.

Mod 4 -

3 weeks at Sandhurst after which you are given a pip and put on probation.

Mods 2 and 3 can be done over the summer if you have time. Mod 4 only runs three times a year, once at Easter and twice in Summer.

At some point during all this you have to pass two lots of TCB down at Westbury.

Don't fall into the trap of thinking that just because you are going to uni you should go and be an Officer. Opportunities in the TA seem to be far less at Officer level, and many of the people I know who are at uni have chosen to stay in the ranks as it gives them far more options.

When I joined up I was hell bent on getting a commission, but after some investigation I realised that TA Officer largely = office job! I am not saying you shouldn't go for it, just that it might not be all you think it will be.
 
#4
Ex Summer Leader has been suggested to me - any idea whwere I can get more details ?

is it 4 or 3 weeks ? dates? and as a trained soldier do I need ot do all four ?
 
#5
2 Routes

1. As Emkay mentions above.

The other is as a DETAPO. Direct Entry T A Potential Officer.

You bypass the unit you wish to join and speed up the process by attesting direct into a Regional Training Centre who will paperwork join you to a local unit.

You then go through the Mods listed above and after comissioning then go to a unit that you want and that want you.

Or....

Summer Challenge.
There is an Potential Officers version called Summer Leader I believe.
Pm me with your location and I may be able to give you more information.
 
#6
Panoptes if you are in NI, as I guess from your avatar that you are, it might be worth having a look at QUOTC. Officer training is bread and butter stuff for them and you will get a lot more opportunity to travel etc during your time at Uni than at most TA units with the bonus that training times are tailored around the University year so as not to clash with exams etc. You will also get a chance to play with a lot more kit and get a wider view of the Army than if you joined a specific corps or regiment.

Having said that you may have other reasons for wanting to go TA rather than UOTC....mates at unit, bigger bounty etc.

From personal experience a lot of TAPO's are (or were 2-3 years ago) attached to QUOTC by the RTA in NI for training anyway. Just a thought.
 
#7
Alright Panoptes & GrumpyPickel, this year Summer Leader starts on 13th of July and ends 17th of August taking place mainly at Ripon, Catterick, and Strensall. However to attend you must have completed Mod 1 (initial TA soldier training i think) and have been to AOSB Briefing. Sounds like it might be something to aim for next year, however i'm fairly sure there's a "Winter Leader" course that offers the same outcome.
 
#8
Are you in the South and are doing the Summer Challenge arranged by 4 Div ?

If so one of the 3 groups (or Cahoots as they are calling them) is for TAPOs which will set you up to attend TACC (as long as you pass AOSB)
 
#9
Panoptes said:
Does the Summer challenge "thing" count towards a commission and how quickly could I be commissioned after finishing summer challenge.
Ex Summer Challenge for 38 Irish Brigade is your phase 1 soldier training.
Nothing more, nothing less.
For Rangers it will start on the 27th July and finish at the end of August.

At some point there will be a brief by the Officer Training Wing (OTW) as to the process of commissioning within the TA. The next course run by OTW will start Oct/Nov 08.

Potentially you could do Ex SC, start on your Officer Trg and be commissioned by this time next year, at which point you'll look back and wonder what the **** you've just done.

Whilst it may not answer all your questions completely it's all you're getting from me on these means.

See you in July.
 
#10
wellyhead said:
Are you in the South and are doing the Summer Challenge arranged by 4 Div ?

If so one of the 3 groups (or Cahoots as they are calling them) is for TAPOs which will set you up to attend TACC (as long as you pass AOSB)
Cahoots??? or Cohorts??

:?
 
#11
Emkay said:
Mod 4 -

3 weeks at Sandhurst after which you are given a pip and put on probation.
As of TACC 081 (march this year) those passing Module four will no longer be on probation (apparently). you are sent to your unit as a fully fledged 2Lt to complete specific to arms course (ie. PCBC) and some sort of replacement to module 5.

They have just changed the way they do the course and nobody at unit level seems to know whats going on.

If you pass summer leader as far as i am aware that covers modules 2 and 3 meaning you can go straight on to sandhurst, assuming that you have been cleared to do so by the army officer selection board at westbury.
 
#13
I'm looking for a webpage that outlines what the age limit is for DE and criteria for LE, just to settle an arguement.

Can anyone point me in the right direction?

Cheers,

FL
 
#14
Grumpypickle said:
Ex Summer Leader has been suggested to me - any idea whwere I can get more details ?

is it 4 or 3 weeks ? dates? and as a trained soldier do I need ot do all four ?
Firstly check with your chain of command re the course. Ex Summer Leader is being run by 15 NE Bde RTC this year. The course delivers module 2 and 3 in prep for RMAS Mod 4. YOu will need to do the whole thing as each is a requirement for entry to RMAS. It delivers the whole syllabus and will prep you for commissioning which in itself is not just a case of passing off Old College Square.
 
#15
Panoptes said:
Does the Summer challenge "thing" count towards a commission and how quickly could I be commissioned after finishing summer challenge.
There were several people on the September course last year who had completed all of their training, including modules 2 and 3, on Ex Summer Leader. This is incredibly quick way to commission, and those that I am still in contact with seem to be doing quite well in their roles as officers.

However, I would recommend spending at least a year as a trained soldier before starting down the officer route. Do at least one annual camp and get comfortable with your role before you decide to be a leader. I had initially planned to commission as quickly as possible, but a minor leg injury held me back a few months. I spent these months doing trade training and going on exercises, and I am now very glad that it worked out this way. What's the rush?
 
#16
Basically, I need to do Summer Challenge before anything I need to do the CSM(R) course. Thats clear to me.

I've looked at QUOTC, but as I'm hoping to go to St Andrews I can't join there. I'm merely wondering that, hopefully when I get to St Andrews, just I just say to them, right I want commissioned ASAP please sort me out? And whether Summer Challenge would have been a waste or would propel me faster?

Or can I do this Winter Leader course in... the winter... and then speed it up.

Alternatively if I speak to my Coy Commander what sort of "dent" could I put in my officer training during Summer Challenge?

I'm rushing because, one a matter of pay, when I go to uni it may well be my only source of income. Two, experience I need to see what tis like before I go and join the regs (which is what I'm hoping for) and three, I want to train and lead soldiers as quickly as possible I love teaching people and watching them develop.

Cheers for the replies thus far.

-PAN
 
#17
Pantopes, I'm doing summer leader this year. If you go to St Andrews I think you can join Aberdeen OTC, or is it Tayforth? I don't know. I'm in Glasgow OTC. If you haven't done any military training at all then you can't do Summer Leader this year as you need to have passed MTQ1. This includes Battlefield Cas. Drills (first aid), shooting, military knowledge, map-reading, and a fair amount of sleeping in forests. If you join an OTC then you will do all this in your first year (as I have just done), ready for Summer Leader next year if you so wish.

It's a good idea to spend a bit of time in green anyway. I want to go regular after uni and I've learned so much from the OTC. It's a really good way of getting into the army, especially as you can walk away at any time if you decide it's not for you.

Anyway, I'm sorry to disappoint you, but if you haven't done MTQ1 then you can't go to summer leader this year.

Looking again at your last post. In the OTC, as a normal officer cadet you'll get (currently) £37.50 for every full day you work with them. There are loads of opportunities to get work, and if you volunteer for everything you'll a) get lots of experience, b) show the staff how motivated you are (it's their decision too whether to send you for commission) and c) rake in the readies. You can make £300-£400 pounds a month if you are really keen, and still hold down your degree. Your social life will suffer, but the OTC has its own fab social life so don't worry. You will make some proper good mates, as nothing helps bonding like sharing a bag of Haribo in a miserable wet hole in a field somewhere at 3am in December. On top of your student loan you'll have plenty of cash.

If you have a bit of potential in you, your PSI's (instructors, all Regular WO2's) will spot this (that's part of their job) and encourage you and give you stacks of practical support.

I'm away mountaineering in Wales next week (I'm getting paid by the OTC to do it) so I won't be online, but after that I'll come back to this thread and try and answer any more queries you might have for me.

PS: Get fit if you're not already. 10.2 on the bleep test. 50 situps in 2 minutes and 44 press-ups in 2 minutes (I'm assuming you're a bloke). You don't have to be able to do it, but it'll make life a lot easier and you'll get a bonus (more money!).

PPS: The OTC has also paid for my driving licence, sent me parachuting, and a million other things. It's fab. You get out what you bring in. If you turn up with bags of enthusiasm then you'll have that pip within a year of walking in the door.
 
#18
sorry, re-reading you posts I see you are already in the TA, but If you have only just joined then I presume you haven't done MTQ1. If you have, then crack on with summer leader. I'll see you there (I'm really tall and my real name is Dan though everyone calls me Frenchie).
 
#19
Yeah i'm in the TA, I think, correct me if I'm wrong, Summer challenge is basically the same as MTQ1 as you do all the MATTs things, CBRN, Bat Cas Drills, PFT, CFT, Nav, country code and all...

I certainly can't do Summer leader this year, as I'm doing Summer/Shamrock challenge, but this winter leader thing sounds good i wonder when i get to uni if I could get on that ASAP, given that I'll be a fully trained private soldier.

I was thinking of trying to transfer to a TA unit in St Andrews, but given its location and the fact that I want to do officer training I'd end up at the OTC anyway.

-PAN
 
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