TA CIC

#1
I'm hoping to transfer to an infantry regiment at some point this year.

I've done recruits course in my present unit and I'll have to do CIC I gather.

No problems there but I want to be prepared. What do you actually do on CIC - can someone provide me with a breakdown? How much time is in the field, do much shooting? Is the "official" fitness level still TA BCFT or are you expected to do Reg BCFT and ACFT I and II? Just so I know roughly what to expect if I do pull this off.

Cheers.
 
#3
copper_knobblet said:
I've done recruits course in my present unit and I'll have to do CIC I gather.
I was under the impression everyone did the same training and it was only after the gap phase you did do anything different.

It seems a waste of time to redo the same training you've already done.
 
#4
polar- In the TA infantry you have to complete the Combat Infantrymans Course, I think they still do it at ITC Catterick.

It sounds like copper is transferring from a support arm, so I'm pretty sure he would have to go through the infantry training
 
#5
come_to_arrest_the_zulus said:
polar- In the TA infantry you have to complete the Combat Infantrymans Course
Have gone the other way (left inf at SDR) and from what I've seen the training objectives appear to be the same.
I may have my wires crossed : CIC isn't a second recruits course is it. Siggies at my place do 4 weekends, 2 week recruits and then several days on gap training (inc NBC and ranges).
 
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#6
Inf recruits do 7/8 weekends (phase 1) then 2 weeks CiC in Catterick.
Fitness levels are TACFT and BPFA. Covering rough ground with normal CEFO, etc.

First week is intro with at least one night out, second week is ex phase with 4(ish) nights.

You will also do an APWT. The rest of the time is shared between classroom lessons, BL's and BE's. Very little NBC although expect some. WHT on arrival.
 
#7
Das Stab said:
Inf recruits do 7/8 weekends (phase 1) then 2 weeks CiC in Catterick.
Fitness levels are TACFT and BPFA. Covering rough ground with normal CEFO, etc.

First week is intro with at least one night out, second week is ex phase with 4(ish) nights.

You will also do an APWT. The rest of the time is shared between classroom lessons, BL's and BE's. Very little NBC although expect some. WHT on arrival.
Cheers for that. Yeah support arm to infantry hopefully!

Some questions:

Whats BLs and BEs? And when you say BPFA do you mean a proper BPFA or the faggot under 14:30 they had at Pirbright when I did my CMSR? Obviously I should be able to do the proper times etc but I'm curious.
 
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#8
Battle Exercises - ranging from a couple of hours to a day or so.
Battle Lessons - usually EDIP principle or walk thru/talk thru.

Not a PTi but as I understand it: push ups, sit ups, bleep test, 1.5miles in 10.30mins. Fairly standard stuff.

If you prep using the CFT, 1.5mile runs in 10.30, and some load carrying it should be a piece of urine.
 
#9
CIC (at ITC Catterick) is equivalent to a trade course, even though it does share some common ground with other recruits courses.

BPFA targets (male, less than 30 years old) are:

1.5mile Run: 10 min 30 (it's down and up a fairly steep hill ISTR)
Sit-ups: 50 in 2 mins
Press-ups: 44 in 2 mins

CFT is prettymuch the last thing you do, after you come back in from the EX.

Essentially it breaks down that week 1 is mostly shooting, with lessons as background activity and week 2 is the 4 day exercise. I understand the bayonet fighting lessons are sheer madness.
 
#10
isleofwightrifles said:
1.5mile Run: 10 min 30 (it's down and up a fairly steep hill ISTR)
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I thought it had to be over even (ish) ground, but as quoted previously"Im not a PTI so I dont give a fcuk" :lol:
 
#11
It is (or did) start just out the back gate, run into Vimy and down towards the Queens Road, turn round and back up to the sports hall when the Press ups and Sit ups are done.

I thought as long as there's the same amount of up as well as down that's okay. Certainly I remember an old units seniors complaining when a CFT went over a hill, but since they went down the hill on the other side it was perfectly acceptable.

Then again, I'm not a PTI either.
 
#12
yeah the bft goes passed the officers mess and that pond, then up a nice hill to finish at the gym :)

it shouldnt really matter if its up or down hill really, you should aim to run at a constant pace. (but then again I'M not a pti either)
 
#13
http://www.army.mod.uk/51bde/rtc/phase_one_training_wing/
Phase 1 Training Wing

The main aim of the Phase 1 Training Wing is to Provide the delivery of Common Military Syllabus (R) TA Phase 1 Training in accordance with TA Phase 1 Performance Statements to all OPCOM and ADMINCON units within 51 (Scottish) Bde Area.

Course Bidding

Bids for courses should be made direct to 51 (Scottish) Bde STT (RTC) on the course bidding proforma.

Telephone bids will not be accepted.

Performance Statements Territorial Army Foundation Scheme (TAFS) (Part 1)

Weekend - 2

The aim of the TAFS is to induct recruits into the Territorial Army and provide them with the necessary skills and knowledge to prepare them to undertake CMS (R) TA Part 2 training.

Performance Statements Territorial Army Foundation Scheme (TAFS) (Part 2)

Weekends - 1 to 7

The aim of the CMS (R) TA is to induct recruits into the Territorial Army and provide them with the basic Recruit Core Skills Modular Course (Infantry) and knowledge to prepare them to undertake Part 3 training.

Performance Statements Territorial Army Foundation Scheme (TAFS) (Part 3)

SAA Range Weekends – 1 to 3

NBC & Map Reading & First Aid Weekends

The aim of the TA Training Gap is to induct recruits into the Territorial Army and provide them with the necessary skills and knowledge to prepare them to carry out local protection tasks in any operational environment.
This appears to be the same for all recruits except for TAFS Part 2 (which I know my unit doesn't do).

Wish my unit was in this brigades area, this Phase 1 Training Wing would be ideal in getting recruits thro the system.
 
#14
isleofwightrifles said:
CIC (at ITC Catterick) is equivalent to a trade course, even though it does share some common ground with other recruits courses.

BPFA targets (male, less than 30 years old) are:

1.5mile Run: 10 min 30 (it's down and up a fairly steep hill ISTR)
Sit-ups: 50 in 2 mins
Press-ups: 44 in 2 mins

CFT is prettymuch the last thing you do, after you come back in from the EX.

Essentially it breaks down that week 1 is mostly shooting, with lessons as background activity and week 2 is the 4 day exercise. I understand the bayonet fighting lessons are sheer madness.

2 questions

Is there no BFT at all anymore ? That is the squaddied 1.5 mile first

second what are the times for the oldies, post 30 (also does number of pressups etc change ?)

Signed

Old Skool BFT Wallah didn't do any of this new fangled stuff
 
#15
isleofwightrifles said:
CIC (at ITC Catterick) is equivalent to a trade course, even though it does share some common ground with other recruits courses.

BPFA targets (male, less than 30 years old) are:

1.5mile Run: 10 min 30 (it's down and up a fairly steep hill ISTR)
Sit-ups: 50 in 2 mins
Press-ups: 44 in 2 mins

CFT is prettymuch the last thing you do, after you come back in from the EX.

Essentially it breaks down that week 1 is mostly shooting, with lessons as background activity and week 2 is the 4 day exercise. I understand the bayonet fighting lessons are sheer madness.
All true - expecially the part about the bayonets, although I believe it is 40 not 50 press ups.

You can't get out of doing TA CIC, regardless of how long you have been in a corps unit. I transferred into my TA inf unit in Portsmouth from the RA in Southampton and despite having already been 'in' for 18 months, and having done a brief stint in the RM I still had to go (although to be completely truthful - it was rather easy). If you are a well functioning and competant soldier in your current unit and can happily hold your own in the field, then you will be at a real head start at the TA CIC. Just dont pipe up with any "ive never done this before" or "we used to do it this way" in front of the instructors. The lads will appreciate any help or advice you may have to offer, but dont pretend you're cock o the walk.

Oh and in case anyone bulls you about "you can only wear non-purchased issue kit at Catterick", it is total nonsense. I went through my entire course in a windproof smock, Lowa boots, ripstop trousers, buffalo shirt, softy sleeping bag and a completely customised set of webbing and para helmet and not one of the instructors gave me the slightest bit of grief.
 
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#16
Oh and in case anyone bulls you about "you can only wear non-purchased issue kit at Catterick", it is total nonsense. I went through my entire course in a windproof smock, Lowa boots, ripstop trousers, buffalo shirt, softy sleeping bag and a completely customised set of webbing and para helmet and not one of the instructors gave me the slightest bit of grief.
It does depend on the DS. Some are more **** than others.
 
#18
Some get very upset about metal mugs used as messtins so take both
till you know what they want .And para helmets made even paras draw issuse helmet suposedly due to ballistic propties or they were just having go at paras ?. Take issuse for round camp gucci for in the field and webbing not assault vests unless you really want to stand out :lol:
 
#19
HantsTiger said:
I went through my entire course in a windproof smock, Lowa boots, ripstop trousers, buffalo shirt, softy sleeping bag and a completely customised set of webbing and para helmet and not one of the instructors gave me the slightest bit of grief.
Do you own any issue kit ????
 
#20
On the exercise phase they are pretty laid back about what you wear, as long as it conforms to uniform guidelines, and you have all the kit you need as specified. I had a very nice SAS windproof for the FELDOM phase , and non issue arctic gloves - Thank feck.

Mind you, when I did it, the DS and John Bull did a roaring trade in selling kit to recruits ; "Fcuking hell, have you robbed the Regimental Museum before you got here" Oh those were the days , 58 webbing , radio pack etc etc.

I wouldn't wear tropical trousers though, as another recruit on my intake found out.

All point and laugh at the Wessex clown in his underpants :D :D
 

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