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TA Centre Access

#1
Ladies & Gents,

Being the highly organised chap that I am, I rocked up early on Friday night in preperation for a weekend. The aim was to get into the workshops to sort out my kit (which has to be stored there), aswell as my spares and tools.

Upon arrival I found that, once again, the workshop had been locked up.

To say I was un-impressed was an understatement.

Let's gloss over the blatant stupidity and uselessness of most of the permanent staff at my place and move straight to the question:

Does anyone else have problems gaining access to the various parts of the TAC? Are people in your units actually trusted with key? Do your permanent staff use a bit of common and leave buildings open, that are needed to be used?

Cheers.
 

The_Duke

LE
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#2
Presumably this workshop contained your kit, tools and spares. If it had been left open and your kit pinched, you would be posting a thread complaining that some idiot had not secured a store.

Areas containing valuables are locked unless in use. As long as they are unlocked in time for the start of normal training, then there is no issue. As a matter of interest, had you spoken to the SPSI/Storeman/NRPS informing them that you intended to pitch up early, or were you relying on ESP?
 
#6
The_Duke said:
Presumably this workshop contained your kit, tools and spares. If it had been left open and your kit pinched, you would be posting a thread complaining that some idiot had not secured a store.

Areas containing valuables are locked unless in use. As long as they are unlocked in time for the start of normal training, then there is no issue. As a matter of interest, had you spoken to the SPSI/Storeman/NRPS informing them that you intended to pitch up early, or were you relying on ESP?
Right I know a bit about this as me and ST2B are in the same unit all the kit tools and stuff is locked up in cages and lockers INSIDE the building and you could nail the request to the windscreen of the perm staff cars/caretakers door and the building would not be unlocked, also this workshops is inside the wire of this TAC but not glued to the main building so even when the TAC is opened for the weekend the workshops gets forgoten about also the perm staff wont give anyone in the TA CoC a key to access the building I have keys to my troop office and stores but not the main door to the TAC, on lots of occasions i have turned up after talking to the PSAO and getting him to inform the relavent key holders only for all external doors to be locked as some people in the unit decide that they dont have to do what they are told/asked its an ongoing problem that the PSAO is pulling what remains of his hair out over and its about to get worse after a spate of several sets of keys getting "misplaced"
 

The_Duke

LE
Moderator
#7
balldrick said:
The_Duke said:
Presumably this workshop contained your kit, tools and spares. If it had been left open and your kit pinched, you would be posting a thread complaining that some idiot had not secured a store.

Areas containing valuables are locked unless in use. As long as they are unlocked in time for the start of normal training, then there is no issue. As a matter of interest, had you spoken to the SPSI/Storeman/NRPS informing them that you intended to pitch up early, or were you relying on ESP?
Right I know a bit about this as me and ST2B are in the same unit all the kit tools and stuff is locked up in cages and lockers INSIDE the building and you could nail the request to the windscreen of the perm staff cars/caretakers door and the building would not be unlocked, also this workshops is inside the wire of this TAC but not glued to the main building so even when the TAC is opened for the weekend the workshops gets forgoten about also the perm staff wont give anyone in the TA CoC a key to access the building I have keys to my troop office and stores but not the main door to the TAC, on lots of occasions i have turned up after talking to the PSAO and getting him to inform the relavent key holders only for all external doors to be locked as some people in the unit decide that they dont have to do what they are told/asked its an ongoing problem that the PSAO is pulling what remains of his hair out over and its about to get worse after a spate of several sets of keys getting "misplaced"
As you are obviously not trusted with the punctuation keys and return key on your keyboard, I certainly wouldn't trust you with the keys to anything else.
 
#8
what a fucking **** prick you are what does it matter if my punctuation and spelling is not perfect you arogant up your own arse jobs worth cunt
 

The_Duke

LE
Moderator
#9
balldrick said:
what a fucking **** prick you are what does it matter if my punctuation and spelling is not perfect you arogant up your own arse jobs worth cunt
Why thank you.

I say again - why should you be surprised that you are not trusted with keys if you cannot be trusted with a keyboard.
 
#10
My point is that none of these people were coming in for this training (despite it being at Regimental level). They were all aware that access would be required and made no provision for it to take place. If it wasn't for a few people being in the know then we'd never had got in at all. Que a lot of people without webbing, Bergans, etc.

When it is demanded that everything must be stored in the TAC, provision must be made for the blokes to get access to it.

I'm curious as to how this happens at other units. Do those with the 'magic keys' always tip up or is this an accepted Friday night fiasco?
 
#11
Ha ha. The problem with a Nimda is that they want procedures to work around them and then complain when things go missing or go wrong. It takes a phone call to organise getting access somewhere or alternatively, put your kit in a place where you know you can tinker with it when you want.
 

The_Duke

LE
Moderator
#12
Stores keys held by NRPS and TA CQMS. They talk to each other and ensure that one of them is coming in. Armoury access for all Officers and SNCOs, TA and Regular.

SPSI/PSI always present when training taking place, or alternative arrangements made on the odd occasion when they are not coming in.

All about communication and trust, rather than bitching and moaning. Baldrick - take note.
 
#13
er i am trusted with keys just not the key to the front door and I understand the reasons for it (and its got feck all to do with my education or lack of) however the REME guys in my unit are not allowed any keys AT ALL dont suppose any of this matters in real life and as you have decided you are the internet spelling police i am going to feck off as it obviously so upsetting for you that i cant spell
 

The_Duke

LE
Moderator
#14
balldrick said:
er i am trusted with keys just not the key to the front door and I understand the reasons for it (and its got feck all to do with my education or lack of) however the REME guys in my unit are not allowed any keys AT ALL dont suppose any of this matters in real life and as you have decided you are the internet spelling police i am going to feck off as it obviously so upsetting for you that i cant spell
It doesn't upset me at all.

Strange that you are only trusted with keys that work once the grown ups have turned up and can supervise you.

Speaks volumes.
 
#15
AlabamaHotPocketer said:
Ha ha. The problem with a Nimda is that they want procedures to work around them and then complain when things go missing or go wrong. It takes a phone call to organise getting access somewhere or alternatively, put your kit in a place where you know you can tinker with it when you want.
"No-Wah" Nimda?

Personally, I'd say store all your kit at home and then I can tinker with what I want, when I want and tip up ready to go. However, when it's ruled that everything must be stored on site and then the bloke with the key's fucks off, can it really be blamed on the toms?

Short of comments about my lack of admin and inability to pick up a phone - how do other units deal with this scenario? Or do you rock up and everything is open and organised by your permanent staff?
 
#16
funny then that on this particular weekend that our side of things worked out the perm staff had gone on the advance party and we could be trusted to let our self into the stores and office unsuppervised and it took me getting into an office that aint mine to get keys to let the REME guys into there building what am i supposed to take note of again I didnt moan about anything if you read my first post on this again I was giving back ground info into Stabbys problem even the perm staff have probs getting into the building some times
 
#17
Nimda is backwards admin.

In my unit, everything is organised by the TA staff, although there is liaison with the PSI and Coy during the week. Come the weekend, people who need access have access, but if people are bringing their own kit in then they won't need access anyway.
If things have gone wrong in the past, because of access, then if it happens again it is your fault. Either keep what kit you can at home, make a very short phone call before the weekend or speak to your PSI on your drill night.
 

The_Duke

LE
Moderator
#20
balldrick said:
funny then that on this particular weekend that our side of things worked out the perm staff had gone on the advance party and we could be trusted to let our self into the stores and office unsuppervised and it took me getting into an office that aint mine to get keys to let the REME guys into there building what am i supposed to take note of again I didnt moan about anything if you read my first post on this again I was giving back ground info into Stabbys problem even the perm staff have probs getting into the building some times
These new fangled locks with keys too difficult for them?

Or are permanent staff not even trusted with keys in your unit?

Do they ever actually trust you with anything dangerous if keys are a bit too much for your permanent staff?
 

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