TA Captain joins Sandhurst elite

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A Territorial Army Captain is set to become the first TA officer since the Second World War to command a Platoon of Officer Cadets on the TA Commissioning Course at the Royal Military Academy Sandhurst (RMAS).

As Platoon Commander, Captain Vicky Freer, aged 37, and already experienced in TA officer training, will be responsible for assessing more than 25 TA candidates for their suitability to be commissioned as officers.

http://www.mod.uk/DefenceInternet/DefenceNews/TrainingAndAdventure/TaCaptainJoinsSandhurstElite.htm



msr
 
#2
Saw this this morning.

Let's hope she's a good egg and is a credit to the TA and the naked jimmy wearing geeks.

Typical TA bod in that she's old for her rank though. I hope she works extra hard to keep up with the young'uns.
 

The_Duke

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#3
TA RLC recruit to RMAS TACC, then to an OTC then back to RMAS TACC as an instructor.

I am sure she is great, but unless the profile is doing her an injustice, there is not much "depth" to her experience.
 
#5
The_Duke said:
TA RLC recruit to RMAS TACC, then to an OTC then back to RMAS TACC as an instructor.

I am sure she is great, but unless the profile is doing her an injustice, there is not much "depth" to her experience.
Seconded. It will only do justice to the TA cadets going through of TA instructors have the same level of experience as is shown by the Regular Instructors (usually 6-8 years, including Pl Comd, Coy 2ic and Bn HQ jobs).
 
#6
Sans Op Tour...
 
#7
The_Duke said:
I am sure she is great, but unless the profile is doing her an injustice, there is not much "depth" to her experience.
I think it's the profile that is at fault. Her previous job was a training consultant, I would have thought that job title hides a wealth of experience applicable to her new role that the regular Officer would not be expected to have achieved. Plus, I don't suppose RMAS has chosen a random recruitment policy this year.
 
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milkandcheese said:
The_Duke said:
I am sure she is great, but unless the profile is doing her an injustice, there is not much "depth" to her experience.
I think it's the profile that is at fault. Her previous job was a training consultant, I would have thought that job title hides a wealth of experience applicable to her new role that the regular Officer would not be expected to have achieved. Plus, I don't suppose RMAS has chosen a random recruitment policy this year.
Good example of skills from Civ jobs being brought over?

Best of British, Ma'am.
 

The_Duke

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#9
milkandcheese said:
The_Duke said:
I am sure she is great, but unless the profile is doing her an injustice, there is not much "depth" to her experience.
I think it's the profile that is at fault. Her previous job was a training consultant, I would have thought that job title hides a wealth of experience applicable to her new role that the regular Officer would not be expected to have achieved. Plus, I don't suppose RMAS has chosen a random recruitment policy this year.
I have no doubt that she is a capable trainer, nor do I believe that her name has been blindly picked out of a hat by RMAS.

I do remember that my Pl Comd on TACC could add elements of personal experience to the training: Commanding his Pl on ops, issues with managing a Pl of soldiers (not recruits or OCDTs) etc, etc, etc.

How will she cope with those sort of issues being raised by OCDTs who may have spent time in the ranks, worked in a Pl/Trp environment, possibly taken part in some of the very difficult current operations?
 
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msr said:
Sans Op Tour...
So? An "op tour" covers a broad range of things, and most of them aren't particularly relevant to officer training, especially for officers.

I've been noticingthe trend towards dismissing people without an "Op Tour", and it's quite worrying (to me at least....)
 
#11
Sapukay said:
msr said:
Sans Op Tour...
So? An "op tour" covers a broad range of things, and most of them aren't particularly relevant to officer training, especially for officers.

I've been noticingthe trend towards dismissing people without an "Op Tour", and it's quite worrying (to me at least....)
I am noticing the same trend, and I wondered what others felt.

msr
 
#12
It is good to see that the TA are getting a Pl Cdr at RMAS. The only representation within the 'TA Cell' was previously a Lt Col/Col who was rarely seen except at dinner nights and occupied a post that allowed the incumbent to contribute little or none of their experience to the course.
The new TA Pl Cdr's post will allow recent experience within the TA (something almost all Regular Pl Cdrs at RMAS lack) and she will be supported by 3 or 4 other Captains from the Regular Army in all that she does during her time there as an instructor.
Further, there are plenty of Regular Pl Cdrs at RMAS who lack the credibility of Ops and demanding Staff Jobs that should qualify them to be a Sandhurst Instructor.
Plenty of questions are asked by TA OCdts during the course to which the Regular Army Instructors are unable to give valid answers. All looks pretty sensible stuff to me.
 
#13
The_Duke said:
am sure she is great, but unless the profile is doing her an injustice, there is not much "depth" to her experience.
Got to be better than the Royal Navy officer we had on my course.
 
#14
Sapukay said:
msr said:
Sans Op Tour...
So? An "op tour" covers a broad range of things, and most of them aren't particularly relevant to officer training, especially for officers.

I've been noticingthe trend towards dismissing people without an "Op Tour", and it's quite worrying (to me at least....)
Paragraphs 2 and 3 of The_Duke's previous post should be an obvious answer to your query. I can't speak regarding 'officer' training but, if you draw a parallel with 'soldier' training, JNCOs and SNCOs with operational experience bring a wealth of experience, knowledge and value to the training environment they might work in. As such, i imagine officers with operational experience would do too and would be equally appreciated by the OCdts.
 

The_Duke

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#15
Hades,

I am not questioning the theory of having TA staff on the TACC, it is a long time coming. I am just surprised that the first incumbent is someone with such a "flat" career, mainly as an OCdt or training Ocdts.

Even your regular, non Op experienced, not demanding staff job instructors bring the experience of having commanded Pls/Tps of soldiers in a training environment or on exercises.

The TA has lots of junior officers with a variety of experiences they could offer who may have been keen to do this job. How widely was this post advertised to enable them to put themselves forward for consideration?
 
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Hades said:
It is good to see that the TA are getting a Pl Cdr at RMAS. The only representation within the 'TA Cell' was previously a Lt Col/Col who was rarely seen except at dinner nights and occupied a post that allowed the incumbent to contribute little or none of their experience to the course.
The new TA Pl Cdr's post will allow recent experience within the TA (something almost all Regular Pl Cdrs at RMAS lack) and she will be supported by 3 or 4 other Captains from the Regular Army in all that she does during her time there as an instructor.
Within the OTC anyway.

I don't recall very much on the TACC to be TA specific, apart from an SO2 who thought she could change 'camp' to 'annual exercise'.

msr
 
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^Surely thats going to disadvantage certain corps, are you saying some posts can only filled by infantry or medics (yes I have generalised this point). So as she is from RSigs and extremely unlikely to have commanded a troop on ops she can't hold the post.
 
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I couldn't say whether the job was generated by trawl or via a jobs list. My experience leads me to believe that getting a good job - as this one clearly seems to be, is a case of being in the right place at the right time. Also, a 'flat' career profile is no indicator of an individual's ability to inspire and lead others. Operational experience, as other contributers have already suggested is also not a guarantee of credibility.
 
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The_Duke said:
The TA has lots of junior officers with a variety of experiences they could offer who may have been keen to do this job. How widely was this post advertised to enable them to put themselves forward for consideration?
I suspect it was invite only from a member of 1st "Good Ideas" Brigade (admittedly after discussion with and approval from RMAS). It didn't appear in any trawl that I saw.
 
#20
msr said:
Hades said:
It is good to see that the TA are getting a Pl Cdr at RMAS. The only representation within the 'TA Cell' was previously a Lt Col/Col who was rarely seen except at dinner nights and occupied a post that allowed the incumbent to contribute little or none of their experience to the course.
The new TA Pl Cdr's post will allow recent experience within the TA (something almost all Regular Pl Cdrs at RMAS lack) and she will be supported by 3 or 4 other Captains from the Regular Army in all that she does during her time there as an instructor.
Within the OTC anyway.

I don't recall very much on the TACC to be TA specific, apart from an SO2 who thought she could change 'camp' to 'annual exercise'.

msr
Would this be the same SO2 who insisted that I didn't know what my Bn was called, insisting that I was part of the Royal Regiment of Volunteers? A colleague was on TACC the following year and she was still spouting the same line - despite my having offered up photographic evidence of the proper title in the form of a gate sign photo...

I've found that all too often the Regs don't have the answers to uniquely TA issues. It will be good to have someone around who can give some timely input.
 

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