Syria

Just trying to work out why a T 72 , armed with (amongst other things) a bfo 125mm gun, is running scared from an APC armed with a 7.62 machine gun !

??!
Perhaps they think it's a vbied?
 
As long as they get the correct targets...what could go wrong?
 
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Karamoja

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I hope they go all the way and topple Assad. If they do, I suspect the Syrian army will topple him themselves. I hope afterwards all the Syrian refugees will return because I get the impression they rather like their country and it could be a pleasant place to raise families if it was peaceful. I am assuming of course, that the refugees are not already western benefit junkies.
 

Maalox

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Does Assad still have Scuds with the range to hit Ankara or Istanbul?

If he hit them, is NATO legally obligated to 'defend' Turkey, being that it is Erdogan who is attacking Syria?
 
No real surprise that Russia has denied committing war crimes, most nations would do so but western nations will investigate. Has Russia actually admitted killing or injuring a single civilian yet?
The Kremlin on Tuesday rejected allegations by the United Nations that Russia may have committed war crimes in Syria last year, saying the U.N. investigators are in no position to know what is happening on the ground.

“We strongly reject these claims,” said Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov. “It’s obvious that one committee can not have reliable information of what is happening on the ground.”

A report by a U.N. commission found that Russia - the Syrian government’s main ally against rebels and militants - conducted air strikes on a popular market and a camp for displaced people that killed dozens of civilians in July and August.
 
Russia and Turkey have agreed to a ceasefire in Idlib. This goes into effect at midnight on Thursday.
Putin, Erdogan agree to Syria ceasefire after upsurge in fighting, migrant wave
"I express hope that these agreements will serve as a good basis for a cessation of military activity in the Idlib de-escalation zone [and] stop the suffering of the peaceful population and the growing humanitarian crisis," Putin said.

Erdogan told reporters the truce would come into effect at midnight on Thursday.

"We will work together to supply aid for the Syrians in need," he said, adding that Turkey retained the right "to respond to all [Syrian] regime attacks in the field."
Part of the agreement is to establish a secure corridor along the M4 highway. The latter has appeared in the fighting in recent videos posted here. The corridor will reach 6 kilometres either side of the M4. The details of the corridor are to be agreed to within a week.
The two leaders also agreed to establish a secure corridor near the M4 highway, which runs east to west through Idlib, and hold joint patrols along the road from March 15.

In a joint statement read out by the Turkish and Russian foreign ministers, the two sides said the corridor would stretch six kilometres to the north and six km to the south of the M4 – effectively advancing Russia's presence further north into Idlib.

They said their defence ministers would agree on the parameters of the corridor within seven days.
 
R&U's latest translation of an Anna News video. This time: The Undeclared War between Syria and Turkey.

As always, there's an alternative view (in this case, mainly from the Turkish perspective) of events to be had. That is, the Anna News video is pro-Assad.

Edit: watching the RuAF airstrikes (sometimes on individual Jihadis) and the Turkish drone strikes, does turn one's thoughts towards the UK's ground based air defences [well, the paucity thereof].

 
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Egyptian/Turkish rivalry getting another friction point, with everyone's favourite proxy/patsy, the Kurds, once again being played.

'Unnamed Egyptian sources report that Egypt is giving major military assistance to the SDF in Syria to help them in their conflict with Turkey. Egypt has also provided the SDF with a diplomatic office in the capital Cairo and also a TV station. This has encouraged the United Arab Emirates (UAE) and Saudi Arabia to give financial aid to the SDF as well. Egypt appears to be leading Arab States in giving aid to the SDF in order to stop Turkish incursion into Syria.

'Turkey has angered some Arab States notably Egypt and the UAE with its support for the internationally-recognized Libyan Government of National Accord (GNA). Turkey has sent forces to fight against those of commander Khalifa Haftar whose Libyan National Army militia control much of Libya, especially in the east. The help to the Kurds can be seen as in part retaliation for Turkey's move.'


 
Putin's agitprop machine has also its English outlets (RT is most known one). So it is not hard to detect apparent bias in this case.
Russian internet site 'Russian Arms' reports about tests (in real combat operations) of high precision, lazer guided shells Krasnopol in Syria.
В Сирии испытано новое российское оружие
The shells 152mm (there are 155mm modifications) can be used with existing hovitzers - Soviet D-20 (1947) for example. Probability to hit target on distances up to 30km is 90%.
Further, much more recent reports, on the use of Krasnopol munitions in Syria.


'MOSCOW, (BM) – In December 2019, in the Syrian province of Idlib, during fierce battles between government forces and militants, Russian troops were also seen using extremely unusual weapons, learned Bulgarianmilitary.com according report by news agency Versia.

'Initially, the media reported that the old Soviet D-20 artillery systems were used against terrorists. However, as it became clear later on due to the photos appearing on the Web, the old guns were only to divert attention and the fire from them was fired by new Krasnopol guided projectiles, which could independently be aimed at a given target in flight. This type of weapon was originally developed in the late Soviet Union, but has been actively developed by Russian scientists. To date, it has not been used in real hostilities, and the operation in Syria has become a ‘real combat test’ for Krasnopol.

'Krasnopol got its special qualities due to a combination of two factors – the presence of aerodynamic rudders on the projectile and its own jet engine. Together, they allow the ammunition to change the trajectory of its movement directly in flight and literally “taxi” to the target indicated by the laser. Thanks to this, incredible accuracy is achieved – from 20 kilometers such a projectile can be “thrown” without problems, for example, into a specific window of a house or into a specific car. Another great advantage of Krasnopol is the compatibility of ammunition with both old artillery systems (the very D-20s) and newer ones (howitzers Msta-S, Msta-B). At the same time, the price of a Krasnopol shot is $ 35,000, which is significantly less than foreign counterparts, often worth more than $ 100,000.'


 
This story seems to have more behind it than appears on the surface. I suspect there is some behind the scenes jousting between Russia, Turkey, and NATO over control of border crossings.

On the surface Russia, backed by China, have vetoed a UN resolution renewing the use of two border crossings between Turkey and Syria for the delivery of aid.
Russia, China veto UN resolution to maintain aid for rebel-held areas in Syria
Russia and China vetoed a UN resolution backed by the 13 other Security Council members Friday that would have maintained humanitarian aid deliveries to Syria's mainly rebel-held northwest through two crossing points from Turkey — just hours before the current mandate expires.
The Russian proposal is to close the smaller crossing and only have one main crossing.
The German-Belgium resolution would have extended the mandate for the two border crossings from Turkey to the northwest that are now being used — Bab al-Salam and Bab al-Hawa — for six months.

The Russian-drafted resolution would only authorize cross-border deliveries through the Bab al-Hawa crossing for a year.
The larger crossing of Bab al-Hawa leads directly to Idlib, while the smaller one that Russia want to close lead to north of Aleppo.
Germany's UN ambassador, Christoph Heusgen, said Wednesday that while the Bab Al-Hawa crossing is used to deliver aid to Idlib province, the Bab al-Salam crossing reaches the region north of Aleppo, where an additional 300,000 Syrians displaced by the last offensive are now sheltering. (...)

Russia's Polyansky tweeted that Bab Al-Hawa "accounts for more than 85 per cent of total volume of operations."
A German-Belgian proposal for two crossings was vetoed by Russia and China, while a Russian proposal for one crossing was voted down by other security council members. The current arrangement expires soon (if it hasn't by the time you read this), and without an agreement there will apparently be no aid crossings at all.
The initial German-Belgium resolution authorizing two crossings for one year won support from 13 of the 15 council members on Tuesday but was vetoed by Russia and China.

A Russian draft resolution authorizing one crossing for six months failed to get the minimum nine "yes" votes on Wednesday. And a similar Russian amendment to the latest German-Belgium resolution was dramatically rejected earlier Thursday, getting only two "yes" votes from Russia and China.
The usual insult flinging between the major powers has been taking place over the issue but is probably not worth repeating here.

The reason why I said that I suspect that there is more to this than appears on the surface is that the crossing north of Aleppo is closest to areas controlled by Turkish backed rebels, while the one near Idlib leads to a much more chaotic area. I suspect that Russia and the Syrian government are looking to make life difficult for Turkey in the latter's effort to carve out a sphere of influence in northern Syria. The Syrian government, backed by Russia, of course do not intend to leave any part of Syria controlled by either foreign powers or domestic rebels.
 
This story seems to have more behind it than appears on the surface. I suspect there is some behind the scenes jousting between Russia, Turkey, and NATO over control of border crossings.

On the surface Russia, backed by China, have vetoed a UN resolution renewing the use of two border crossings between Turkey and Syria for the delivery of aid.
Russia, China veto UN resolution to maintain aid for rebel-held areas in Syria


The Russian proposal is to close the smaller crossing and only have one main crossing.


The larger crossing of Bab al-Hawa leads directly to Idlib, while the smaller one that Russia want to close lead to north of Aleppo.


A German-Belgian proposal for two crossings was vetoed by Russia and China, while a Russian proposal for one crossing was voted down by other security council members. The current arrangement expires soon (if it hasn't by the time you read this), and without an agreement there will apparently be no aid crossings at all.


The usual insult flinging between the major powers has been taking place over the issue but is probably not worth repeating here.

The reason why I said that I suspect that there is more to this than appears on the surface is that the crossing north of Aleppo is closest to areas controlled by Turkish backed rebels, while the one near Idlib leads to a much more chaotic area. I suspect that Russia and the Syrian government are looking to make life difficult for Turkey in the latter's effort to carve out a sphere of influence in northern Syria. The Syrian government, backed by Russia, of course do not intend to leave any part of Syria controlled by either foreign powers or domestic rebels.
There is an official explanation that apparently was not quoted or even mentioned by MSM
The Russian delegation voted against the draft Security Council resolution on extension of the cross-border mechanism (CBM) of humanitarian aid delivery to Syria, presented by Belgium and Germany.
Our position on the CBM, established in 2014, is known and remains unchanged. It was established as an exceptional and temporary measure, approved by the Security Council to support the humanitarian relief activities in the war-torn country. It has to be gradually phased out and replaced by humanitarian deliveries in accordance with the principles outlined in UNGA resolution 46/182.
For the past six years the situation on the ground has changed. The territory outside the Government of Syria control has reduced drastically.
However, we fully understand the need to provide humanitarian needs of all Syrians.
Guided by this, we will introduce our own draft, which extends the work of CBM for another 6 months and limits the number of crossing points to one, namely to Bab Al-Hawa. With the territory in Idlib controlled by terrorist groups reduced by 30 percent, we are confident that this border-crossing can cover all essential humanitarian needs of the population in that area. The CB point of Bab Al-Salam was providing only 14% of overall CB deliveries to Idlib.
So Moscow believes that step by step Syrian government should restore full control over sovereign Syrian territory and will itself determine the regime of all bordercrossings.
 
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By chemical warfare & starvation. Nice people your government supports.
Well, Moscow has historic form in being extremely beastly to the peoples that it rules, so is quite happy to encourage other countries to do the same.
 
...So Moscow believes that step by step Syrian government should restore full control over sovereign Syrian territory and will itself determine the regime of all bordercrossings.
14 vetoes in less than 9 years and once again the Russian proposition didn’t get enough votes to pass. Six UN approved crossings , reduced to two six months ago and now none. Speaks volumes about the regime Russia and China support.
 
14 vetoes in less than 9 years and once again the Russian proposition didn’t get enough votes to pass. Six UN approved crossings , reduced to two six months ago and now none. Speaks volumes about the regime Russia and China support.
There is no any limit for vetoes and Western countries use veto as a political tool.

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Now let's add
Russia (USSR) + Chine = 132 vetoes
US + UK+ France = 126 vetoe
The difference is not so big.
And note that after 1969 Washington used veto 81 times while Moscow only 36.
Russia could propose draft resolution about immediate implementation of UNSC resolution 242 (Israeli withdrawal from occupied lands) each week. and each week Washington would use veto to block such a resolution.
So I don't understand what point do you try to make.

Btw, your source confirm my claim that Western MSM don't care to inform the readers about motives of Russia's veto.
 
There is no any limit for vetoes and Western countries use veto as a political tool.
There isn’t, which is a pity. I don’t recall any vetoes against investigating CW or stopping humanitarian aid corridors though? Any examples?

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Now let's add
Russia (USSR) + Chine = 132 vetoes
US + UK+ France = 126 vetoe
The difference is not so big.
And note that after 1969 Washington used veto 81 times while Moscow only 36.
Russia could propose draft resolution about immediate implementation of UNSC resolution 242 (Israeli withdrawal from occupied lands) each week. and each week Washington would use veto to block such a resolution.
And the other countries could do the same re Russian occupation of Crimea.
So I don't understand what point do you try to make.
That Russia’s vetoes are about CW investigations and humanitarian aid crossings.
Btw, your source confirm my claim that Western MSM don't care to inform the readers about motives of Russia's veto.
Russia says a lot of things. You yourself call them ‘crooks and thieves’. They could say whatever they liked, the likelihood is that it is nowhere near the truth.
 
Humanitarian aid can be delivered through different points on Syrian territory. Each time Syrian authorities have right to control the delivery, search it for weapons, explosives and so on. There were only 2 exceptions - 2 crossing point with special status. From point of view of Moscow 1 special crossing point is more that enough. And note that humanitaria aid through dozens of other border crossings is possible. So what is the problem?
 
Humanitarian aid can be delivered through different points on Syrian territory. Each time Syrian authorities have right to control the delivery, search it for weapons, explosives and so on. There were only 2 exceptions - 2 crossing point with special status. From point of view of Moscow 1 special crossing point is more that enough. And note that humanitaria aid through dozens of other border crossings is possible. So what is the problem?
If you don’t understand the point that Russia’s vetoes are about blocking CW investigations and supplying humanitarian aid through UNSC approved crossings, you only need to say. Reducing the crossing points from six, to two and now none.

Of course aid can be supplied to Assad’s govt and they will undoubtedly cream off their percentage, if they even allow any to get through.

The millions of displaced in Turkey, Iraq and particularly Lebanon are not exactly returning to Assad’s govt controlled areas in their droves are they?
 
14 vetoes in less than 9 years and once again the Russian proposition didn’t get enough votes to pass. Six UN approved crossings , reduced to two six months ago and now none. Speaks volumes about the regime Russia and China support.
Also speak volumes for the need for the UN
 
If you don’t understand the point that Russia’s vetoes are about blocking CW investigations
It is not about CW investigations. It is about imitations of investigations to produce falsified results without even expection of sites in question.
...and supplying humanitarian aid through UNSC approved crossings, you only need to say. Reducing the crossing points from six, to two and now none.
Moscow proposed to leave the main crossing point with 85% of supplies volume. But this proposition was blocked by US/UK/France and others. There is no problem in supplies of humanitarian aid through dozens of crossing points. It is about the regime of special crossing point.
Of course aid can be supplied to Assad’s govt and they will undoubtedly cream off their percentage, if they even allow any to get through.
The millions of displaced in Turkey, Iraq and particularly Lebanon are not exactly returning to Assad’s govt controlled areas in their droves are they?
The main reason is the military conflict that continues in Syria.So thank rebels/insurgents/jihadists/terrorists for impossibility for millions to return.
 

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