Big mistake by Trump, both domestically and internationally.
A number of other aspects of the general situation in Syria are also discussed, and I would recommend reading the rest of the story."Their endgame is to have a foothold in the Middle East," said Bessma Momani, a Syria expert at the University of Waterloo. "It's been a strategic win. They have a client state [Syria] for the long term indebted to them. And it allows them to remain relevant to discussions of the Middle East."
Momani also said the Syrian investment has come relatively "cheap," with most of Russia's soldiers out of harm's way and the war waged mainly from the air.
Very . . . VERY . . . regrettable "short-term'ism" by POTUS Trump . . . .I've no quarrel with the Kurds myself, but the US only allied with them after everything else the US tried on their own had failed. The US, especially the current government, have no desire to get mired in the middle of any Turkish-Kurdish dispute.
US interests in the region revolve around oil and cash, and the Syrian Kurds have very little of their own. Nor are the Kurds the key to access routes, unless you count the proposed gas pipeline to Europe, which has so many other political road blocks that the Kurdish question just isn't a top priority there either.
So all these questions about American support for the Kurds tend to start and end with "it would be nice from a Kurdish perspective", but don't address the question of what's in it for the Americans. After the Afghanistan and Iraq (round 2) wars, the Americans are not keen on "nation building" and (the Americans) would need a really compelling reason based on self interest to get involved in anything long term.
From the link provided by @terminal . . .Erdogan has announced a new military operation in Syria to be called "Peace Spring".
Turkish jets have bombed Syrian Kurds near the border.
Iran have asked Turkey to avoid military action, while also saying that the US should leave and that Syrian Kurds should support the Syrian army. I get the impression that the Iranians don't want the Turks in Syria any more than they want the Americans there.
Meanwhile the Syrian Kurds want the US to provide air defence (under the fig leaf label of a "no fly zone") to keep the Turkish air force out of Syria.
Russian meanwhile have called the Americans "reckless" in terms of first going into Syria and now leaving. I suspect Lavrov's comments were intended to highly what he sees as the inconstant attitude of the Americans in contrast to Russia's apparent long term commitment.
Moscow is apparently trying to get the Kurds and the Syrian government to engage in talks to settle their differences.
There is a video, but the ARRSE forum software does not support embedding of it.
So you want to champion the cause of a new state who will be surrounded by enemies, with no access to the sea, with no real economic base, and ruled by militant Marxists with strong links to a group you acknowledge as being terrorists. In doing so you will permanently alienate all of the regional powers, including a NATO member. I can see that going well.From the link provided by @terminal . . .
'Who the hell supports Erdogan over the Kurds?'
Reaction in the West was swift.
France, Britain and Germany called for the United Nations Security Council to meet to discuss the Turkish offensive.
European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker called on Turkey to halt the operations.
"I call on Turkey as well as on the other actors to act with restraint and to stop operations already, as we are speaking, underway."
While acknowledging Turkey has security concerns on its border with Syria, Juncker said that "if the Turkish plan involves the creation of a so-called safe zone, don't expect the European Union to pay for any of it."
Sen. Lindsey Graham, a Trump ally who nevertheless has criticized the president's decision to withdraw U.S. troops from northeastern Syria, told Axios he plans to introduce a package of "devastating" sanctions to hit Turkey over its military operation.
"Who the hell supports Erdogan over the Kurds?" said Graham, from South Carolina.
"The president's doing this completely against everybody else's advice."
Graham predicted the Senate could marshal the votes to override any potential presidential veto.
WASHINGTON—Amid backlash for abandoning an ally that has been crucial in the fight against ISIS, President Donald Trump assured the Kurds Wednesday that there will one day be a very nice tree planted in Washington, D.C. commemorating their deaths.I haven't checked the thread for this point, but not only has Trump forced his military on the ground to turn tail and leave their Kurdish allies to their fate with an aggressive Turkey, but Trump's idiotic 'icing on the cake' was to say the Kurds 'didn't help the US at Normandy in WW2'!
What an utter tosspot Trump can be.
Edited to add:
It's more than beyond stupid imho that many Western politicians are desperate to bring ISIS fighters back to Europe and to resettle them, while turning their backs on the Kurds who have done so much to help fight ISIS.
I'm quoting myself on this, but I should be clear that the above was intended to be rhetorical and not directed specifically at @RCT(V) .So you want to champion the cause of a new state who will be surrounded by enemies, with no access to the sea, with no real economic base, and ruled by militant Marxists with strong links to a group you acknowledge as being terrorists. In doing so you will permanently alienate all of the regional powers, including a NATO member. I can see that going well.
So you want to champion the cause of a new state who will be surrounded by enemies, with no access to the sea, with no real economic base, and ruled by militant Marxists with strong links to a group you acknowledge as being terrorists. In doing so you will permanently alienate all of the regional powers, including a NATO member. I can see that going well.
Whilst your comment was rhetorical, I do not know who else might respond .
See this, from the link in @terminal 's post, #16,122 . . .I've read/ seen elsewhere that part of the reason Russia involved itself in Syria is some ancient treaty regarding an eastern orthodox bishopric there, a font of Christianity from Russia's point of view.
Secondly, the news reports tell us that US ( and allied western) troops have withdrawn from the border area to avoid confronting the Turks.
But, where to? Deeper into Syria? Into Iraq or Kurdistan? Back into Jordan? Flown home to CONUS?