Syria

Pilot captured apparently.

 
Reuters is a specific news source that frequently
- tells half truth
- hide important details
- reports one sided information
- presents allegations as facts
For me it is not clear who is typical Reuters reader. Ordinary people would prefer the Mail as its style is more entertaining and intellectuals would prefer BBC and some serious newspapers.
Reuters is not a news outlet like the Mail, BBC etc
It is a news agency which would be a middle man repository to be used by outlets. But with greater communications it can be a direct source.

The Russian equivalent is TASS, but that has regularly acted as a propaganda piece and front for Russian intelligence organisations

Feel free to update the wiki on Reuter’s with the reference material to back up your allegations and let the world know how untrustworthy you feel they are
 

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I clicked on the 'new posts' tab and had to chuckle when this thread came up.
I just cant forget how (whoever was typing) KGB resident denied any knowledge whatsoever on a raid in Syria...........AFTER they had posted 100 times in the thread concerned.

Even pointing out each and every one of his posts by number wouldnt convince KGB he had posted.

Its almost like another typist typed those posts under the same avatar ;)

Its even funnier they have me on ignore, as they say its unfair that I expect them to know what they have said previously. :)
 
Thought the name rang bells. Anyway, Assad's govt is closing in on Khan Sheikhoun to encircle the last remaining pocket of rebel held territory in Hama province:
Syrian government forces on Wednesday closed in on a rebel-held town in Idlib that was bombed with sarin in 2017, sources on both sides said, building on their Russian-backed gains since the collapse of a ceasefire this month.

The advance towards Khan Sheikhoun threatens to encircle the last remaining pocket of rebel-held territory in neighbouring Hama province, including the towns of Morek, Kafr Zeita and Latamneh.
 
Thought the name rang bells. Anyway, Assad's govt is closing in on Khan Sheikhoun to encircle the last remaining pocket of rebel held territory in Hama province:
It is a typical method used by Reuters to present allegations as proven facts. The title is voided a key word 'allegedly'. Really it was not proved that Syrian troops ever used sarin in Khan Sheikhoun. Proper investigation on the spot was not conducted. So we have just contradicting claims made by all sides.
Likely you agree that presentation of allegations as facts is one of the methods of black agitprop.
Reuters used interesting misleading construction
Syrian government forces on Wednesday closed in on a rebel-held town in Idlib that was bombed with sarin in 2017, sources on both sides said, building on their Russian-backed gains since the collapse of a ceasefire this month.
Indeed sources on both sides said about military situation near the town but 'both sides' don't confirm so called 'sarin bombing'. They are only fantasies forged by rebels/terrorists/jihadists.

Now let's look at BBC. The so called 'sarin attack' is not mentioned at all as it is no more than allegation.
...reports said Russian-backed government forces had advanced to just a few kilometres from the town.
Nearly 30 combatants are said to have been killed in overnight fighting.
That's all.

Also BBC reports that Syrian warplane was shot down.
A Syrian government warplane is reported to have been shot down as fighting continues in the rebel-held northern province of Idlib.
Opposition sources said the jet had been brought down near the town of Khan Sheikhoun.
The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, a UK-based monitoring group, said the pilot of the Russian-made Sukhoi warplane had been captured and was being held by the jihadist group Hayat Tahrir al-Sham (HTS), the dominant faction in Idlib Province.
HTS said the plane was shot down over al-Tamanaa, just to the east of Khan Sheikhoun. It confirmed that it was holding the pilot but gave no further information.
 
It is a typical method used by Reuters to present allegations as proven facts. The title is voided a key word 'allegedly'. Really it was not proved that Syrian troops ever used sarin in Khan Sheikhoun. Proper investigation on the spot was not conducted. So we have just contradicting claims made by all sides.
Likely you agree that presentation of allegations as facts is one of the methods of black agitprop.
Reuters used interesting misleading construction

Indeed sources on both sides said about military situation near the town but 'both sides' don't confirm so called 'sarin bombing'. They are only fantasies forged by rebels/terrorists/jihadists.

Now let's look at BBC. The so called 'sarin attack' is not mentioned at all as it is no more than allegation.

That's all.

Also BBC reports that Syrian warplane was shot down.
As usual you lie. It wasn’t just “...fantasies forged by rebels/terrorists/jihadists.” The Joint Investigative Mechanism said Assad’s Forces used Sarin. The Mechanism set up by unanimous UNSC Resolution including TORs. Whose findings Russia had a hissy fit over and vetoed their findings, early renewal, renewal and reinstatement:
“The Syrian Arab Republic is responsible for the release of sarin at Khan Sheikhoun on 4 April 2017,” the report from the U.N. and the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons’ Joint Investigative Mechanism (JIM) said.
With everything that’s going on in Russia, you ‘clippety clop’ to Assad’s defence again. Anyone would think you were paid to do so and deserving of a yellow banner.
 
Reuters is not a news outlet like the Mail, BBC etc
It is a news agency which would be a middle man repository to be used by outlets. But with greater communications it can be a direct source.

The Russian equivalent is TASS, but that has regularly acted as a propaganda piece and front for Russian intelligence organisations

Feel free to update the wiki on Reuter’s with the reference material to back up your allegations and let the world know how untrustworthy you feel they are
Yes, Reuters is new agency and term 'news source' is applicable to it, Anyway Reuters belongs to MSM. As for propaganda then there are white and black propaganda (with 50 shades of grey).
While propaganda operates only with facts though carefully arranged in the desirable manner. White propaganda source can be very informative and stimulates comparison of information in it with other news sources to have full picture of events.
By contrast black propaganda uses falsehoods, half truth, fake 'news', presentation of allegations as facts and so on.
Anyway it is not right to have the only news source to be properly informed. Those who are interesting in current events should use different news sources. I hope, you agree.
 
It is a typical method used by Reuters to present allegations as proven facts. The title is voided a key word 'allegedly'. Really it was not proved that Syrian troops ever used sarin in Khan Sheikhoun. Proper investigation on the spot was not conducted. So we have just contradicting claims made by all sides.
Likely you agree that presentation of allegations as facts is one of the methods of black agitprop.
Reuters used interesting misleading construction

Indeed sources on both sides said about military situation near the town but 'both sides' don't confirm so called 'sarin bombing'. They are only fantasies forged by rebels/terrorists/jihadists.

Now let's look at BBC. The so called 'sarin attack' is not mentioned at all as it is no more than allegation.

That's all.

Also BBC reports that Syrian warplane was shot down.
What does TASS report on Syria?
 
As usual you lie. It wasn’t just “...fantasies forged by rebels/terrorists/jihadists.” The Joint Investigative Mechanism said Assad’s Forces used Sarin. The Mechanism set up by unanimous UNSC Resolution including TORs. Whose findings Russia had a hissy fit over and vetoed their findings, early renewal, renewal and reinstatement:


With everything that’s going on in Russia, you ‘clippety clop’ to Assad’s defence again. Anyone would think you were paid to do so and deserving of a yellow banner.
Representatives of JIM didn't work on the spot. Rebels/Jihadists/Terrorists didn't invite them. So only indirect data was used to make preliminary conclusions. You are well aware that such preliminary conclusions had to be viewed and approved by UNSC but it hadn't been done. So from legal point of view the conclusions have status of allegations.
 
Representatives of JIM didn't work on the spot. Rebels/Jihadists/Terrorists didn't invite them. So only indirect data was used to make preliminary conclusions. You are well aware that such preliminary conclusions had to be viewed and approved by UNSC but it hadn't been done. So from legal point of view the conclusions have status of allegations.
The TORs were agreed. Everyone, other than Russia agreed or abstained. That speaks volumes, especially Russia vetoing the subsequent renewals. 12 vetoes on Syria. Must make you proud you support CW users
 
What does TASS report on Syria?
I rarely look at Putin's agitprop outlets except TV that is interesting by rude methods of brainwashing of ordinary Russians. It itself is very entertaining.
Russian and Turkish military servicemen conducted a joint patrol in Syria’s Tell Rifaat city on Wednesday afternoon, chief of the Russian Center for Reconciliation of the Opposing Sides in Syria, Major General Alexei Bakin, told reporters.
Opposition militants claim that they brought down a Sukhoi Su-22 jet of the Syrian Air Forces on Wednesday, which crashed in Idlib province, between the cities of Khan Shaykhun and Al-Tamanah, Al Arabiya television reported.
It said the Syrian pilot had managed to eject from the fighter jet, but was captured by terrorists from Jabhat al-Nusra (outlawed in Russia).
The plane was brought down when it was attacking positions of militants putting up resistance in Khan Shaykhun. Government troops are now advancing on the city located on the strategically important highway connecting Hama and Aleppo.
Khan Shaykhun is controlled by militants from Jabhat al-Nusra and mercenaries from the extremist group Jaysh al-Izza fighting on their side.
 
The TORs were agreed. Everyone, other than Russia agreed or abstained. That speaks volumes, especially Russia vetoing the subsequent renewals. 12 vetoes on Syria. Must make you proud you support CW users
It could speak volumes but from formal, legal point of view, so called 'sarin bombing' has status of allegation and any serious news source should tell about it.
 
It could speak volumes but from formal, legal point of view, so called 'sarin bombing' has status of allegation and any serious news source should tell about it.
It wasn’t an allegation. It was found to have occurred by the UN appointed mechanism. The findings were not accepted by Russia who supports the use of CW
 
It wasn’t an allegation. It was found to have occurred by the UN appointed mechanism. The findings were not accepted by Russia who supports the use of CW
Even worst criminal before the verdict is (at least from formal point of view) innocent. Innocent until proven guilty.
The UNSC established legal procedure. The JIM collects information and makes preliminary conclusion and only the UNSC from legal point of view has authority to approve the preliminary findings.
Opinion of investigators, even the best ones from legal point of view are only allegations and preliminary conclusions. Only the court has the authority to make legally binding decisions.
Do you understand it or just pretend that you don't understand such obvious things?
So any serious news source should use word 'allegation' in the context of so called 'sarin bombing'.
 
Even worst criminal before the verdict is (at least from formal point of view) innocent. Innocent until proven guilty.
The UNSC established legal procedure. The JIM collects information and makes preliminary conclusion and only the UNSC from legal point of view has authority to approve the preliminary findings.
Opinion of investigators, even the best ones from legal point of view are only allegations and preliminary conclusions. Only the court has the authority to make legally binding decisions.
Do you understand it or just pretend that you don't understand such obvious things?
So any serious news source should use word 'allegation' in the context of so called 'sarin bombing'.
The remit of the JIM was to apportion blame. That was the remit that Russia and everyone else signed up for, unanimously. The fact that Russia didn’t like the results and threw a hissy fIt is a matter for Russia.

The JIM apportioned blame. Russia vetoed any action arising from it, its early renewal, its renewal and reinstatement.

Your lies and obfuscation are just that.
 
Lots of activity being reported in Syria today. At Kabani (Latakia/Idlib border) another government assault has failed. Not much reporting is coming out of Kabani but it sounds brutal - three govt armoured bulldozers were reported lost yesterday while trying to force obstacles.
In the south Idlib salient, the SAA is pushing towards the west side of KS and all rebel-held points there and further south are under bombardment. Rebel counter-attacks have been attempted.
Re. the lost pilot mentioned by @Graculus, (the tweeter needs aircraft recognition training :)) his status seems unclear. His capture, rescue and/or evasion are all reported.
Latest report from R&U. NSFW.

 
Even worst criminal before the verdict is (at least from formal point of view) innocent. Innocent until proven guilty.
The UNSC established legal procedure. The JIM collects information and makes preliminary conclusion and only the UNSC from legal point of view has authority to approve the preliminary findings.
Opinion of investigators, even the best ones from legal point of view are only allegations and preliminary conclusions. Only the court has the authority to make legally binding decisions.
Do you understand it or just pretend that you don't understand such obvious things?
So any serious news source should use word 'allegation' in the context of so called 'sarin bombing'.
Reuter’s is a news agency, it’s not court records
 
Reuter’s is a news agency, it’s not court records
As news agency Reuters (in theory) should present full, comprehensive coverage but not one-sided information. If there are conflicting versions then high quality news source (as BBC) has to mention all point of views. Reuters failed to do it.
 

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As news agency Reuters (in theory) should present full, comprehensive coverage but not one-sided information. If there are conflicting versions then high quality news source (as BBC) has to mention all point of views. Reuters failed to do it.
The most important word above was 'if'.
As there weren't conflicting versions in the case KGB refers to, and it was established that CW WAS used, then there wasnt need to offer different points of view.

Suck it up, your side are criminals, and you aren't brave enough to accept it.
 
Lots of activity being reported in Syria today. At Kabani (Latakia/Idlib border) another government assault has failed. Not much reporting is coming out of Kabani but it sounds brutal - three govt armoured bulldozers were reported lost yesterday while trying to force obstacles.
In the south Idlib salient, the SAA is pushing towards the west side of KS and all rebel-held points there and further south are under bombardment. Rebel counter-attacks have been attempted.
Re. the lost pilot mentioned by @Graculus, (the tweeter needs aircraft recognition training :)) his status seems unclear. His capture, rescue and/or evasion are all reported.
Latest report from R&U. NSFW.

There was a later tweet of his helmet and survival equip but caveat emptor as always.
 
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