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Interesting U-turn......all of a sudden Assad isn't that bad.

Israeli Defense Minister Avigdor Lieberman says the looming victory for Damascus may be good news for the Jewish state, suggesting President Bashar Assad can be worked with on issues vital to national security.

Speaking about the long confrontation between Israel and Syria, Lieberman told journalists that “from our perspective, the situation is returning to how it was before the [Syrian] civil war, meaning there is a real address, someone responsible, and central rule.”

When asked whether Israeli forces should be less wary about possible tension in the Golan Heights, the top official answered: “I believe so. I think this is also in Assad’s interest,” Reuters reported.

The defense minister’s statement seems to contradict the much-repeated ‘Assad must go’ and ‘monster Assad’ rhetoric picked by the West and previously echoed by Israel. Back in 2016, Lieberman called the Syrian president a “butcher” who “should be removed from power.”


‘Butcher’ no more? Assad in charge of Syria good for our security, says Israeli defense minister
 
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Interesting U-turn......all of a sudden Assad isn't that bad.

Israeli Defense Minister Avigdor Lieberman says the looming victory for Damascus may be good news for the Jewish state, suggesting President Bashar Assad can be worked with on issues vital to national security.

Speaking about the long confrontation between Israel and Syria, Lieberman told journalists that “from our perspective, the situation is returning to how it was before the [Syrian] civil war, meaning there is a real address, someone responsible, and central rule.”

When asked whether Israeli forces should be less wary about possible tension in the Golan Heights, the top official answered: “I believe so. I think this is also in Assad’s interest,” Reuters reported.

The defense minister’s statement seems to contradict the much-repeated ‘Assad must go’ and ‘monster Assad’ rhetoric picked by the West and previously echoed by Israel. Back in 2016, Lieberman called the Syrian president a “butcher” who “should be removed from power.”


‘Butcher’ no more? Assad in charge of Syria good for our security, says Israeli defense minister
Mentioned here: https://www.arrse.co.uk/community/threads/syria.161743/page-772#post-8722822
Much depends on Iran’s actions in Syria. According to Russia they won’t get closer than 85km from the zone.

Russian MilPol currently conducting joint patrols with the U.N. and then hand over to SAA
 
Interesting U-turn......all of a sudden Assad isn't that bad.

Israeli Defense Minister Avigdor Lieberman says the looming victory for Damascus may be good news for the Jewish state, suggesting President Bashar Assad can be worked with on issues vital to national security.

Speaking about the long confrontation between Israel and Syria, Lieberman told journalists that “from our perspective, the situation is returning to how it was before the [Syrian] civil war, meaning there is a real address, someone responsible, and central rule.”

When asked whether Israeli forces should be less wary about possible tension in the Golan Heights, the top official answered: “I believe so. I think this is also in Assad’s interest,” Reuters reported.

The defense minister’s statement seems to contradict the much-repeated ‘Assad must go’ and ‘monster Assad’ rhetoric picked by the West and previously echoed by Israel. Back in 2016, Lieberman called the Syrian president a “butcher” who “should be removed from power.”


‘Butcher’ no more? Assad in charge of Syria good for our security, says Israeli defense minister
The new found warm feelings by Israel towards Assad are likely due to a combination of things. One will be simply admitting that there isn't much they can do about it and so are simply attempting to save face by saying that it's a good thing for Israel.

The other is perhaps they have come to the belated realisation that regardless of what they may think of Assad, the realistic alternatives on offer were a lot worse.
 
Exclusive: Despite tensions, Russia seeks U.S. help to rebuild Syria
Apparently Russia has made an approach to the US to jointly rebuild Syria and repatriate refugees. Allegedly it’s from Gerasimov directly to Dunford on 19.07.2018. The US response has been to seek a political solution to the 7 year civil war including UN supervised elections:
Russia has used a closely guarded communications channel with America’s top general to propose the two former Cold War foes cooperate to rebuild Syria and repatriate refugees to the war-torn country, according to a U.S. government memo.

The proposal was sent in a July 19 letter by Valery Gerasimov, the chief of the Russian military’s General Staff, to U.S. Marine General Joseph Dunford, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, according to the memo which was seen by Reuters.

The Russian plan, which has not been previously reported, has received an icy reception in Washington. The memo said the U.S. policy was only to support such efforts if there were a political solution to end Syria’s seven-year-old civil war, including steps like U.N.-supervised elections.

The proposal illustrates how Russia, having helped turn the tide of the war in favor of President Bashar al-Assad, is now pressing Washington and others to aid the reconstruction of areas under his control. Such an effort would likely further cement Assad’s hold on power.
The proposal is said to say that the Syrian govt lack the money, kit, fuel and materials to rebuild:
“The proposal argues that the Syrian regime lacks the equipment, fuel, other material, and funding needed to rebuild the country in order to accept refugee returns,” according to the memo, which specified that the proposal related to Syrian government-held areas of the country.
The conversation is being kept private, but obviously the contents of the memo have not:
“In accordance with past practice, both Generals have agreed to keep the details of their conversations private,” said spokeswoman Captain Paula Dunn.
The US is sticking with returns of the reported majority Sunni refugees in a safe, voluntary and dignified manner. Quotes to rebuild are ranged in the $250Bn region:
“The United States will only support refugee returns when they are safe, voluntary and dignified,” said the memo, which is specifically about the Russian plan for Syria.

Rebuilding Syria will also be a massive effort, costing at least $250 billion, according one U.N. estimate.
The US feels with control of on or around 25% of the country in SDF hands supported by the US and the cost of rebuilding, they are in a good bargaining position:
Some U.S. officials believe Syria’s dependence on the international community for reconstruction, along with the presence of U.S. and U.S.-backed forces in part of Syria, gives Washington leverage as diplomats push for a negotiated end to the war.
Gerasimov and Dunford are reported as speaking to each other on a regular basis on military matters, and its thought the rebuilding and refugees offer came from the Helsinki summit, denied by the US but pushed by Russia:
The exchange offered a rare glimpse into the military communications channel between Moscow and Washington, one that Dunford himself has fiercely sought to keep private.

Dunford, who speaks periodically with Gerasimov, has stressed that the two militaries need to be able to have candid, private communications to avoid misunderstandings that could lead to armed confrontation.

But it was unclear how reconstruction and refugees fit into military-to-military communications. Gerasimov’s letter suggests that channel is also being used by Moscow to broach non-military matters.
Mattis says no policy changes came from the summit and the memo explicitly says it wasn’t an ‘outcome’ despite Russian statements that it was:
But U.S. Defense Secretary Jim Mattis said last week no policy changes came out of the summit. The U.S. government memo explicitly said the Russian proposal was not “an outcome” of the Trump-Putin talks, but cautioned that Russian officials were trying to present it differently.

“Russian diplomats and other officials have also been engaging in an aggressive campaign to describe the initiative in other capitals and to insinuate that it is an outcome of the U.S.-Russia meeting in Helsinki, which it is not, repeat not,” the memo read.
The Russian proposal is to repurpose the 2017 ‘de-escalation zone’ Assad’s Forces and allies broke earlier this year, with Jordan (650k refugees), the US and Russia:
The Russian cover letter for the proposal sent to Dunford recommended the United States, Russia and Jordan repurpose a hub designed to monitor a 2017 ceasefire agreement “to form a joint committee to implement the reconstruction and refugee return plan,” the memo said. Jordan is hosting more than 650,000 Syrian refugees.

The Russian letter also suggests that the United States and Russia form a joint group to finance infrastructure renovation in Syria, the U.S. memo says.
I’m not sure why the US should help pay for the results of Russian carpet bombing and to erect more posters of Assad, but I suppose it’s a proposal that can be counter offered etc.
 
Exclusive: Despite tensions, Russia seeks U.S. help to rebuild Syria
Apparently Russia has made an approach to the US to jointly rebuild Syria and repatriate refugees. Allegedly it’s from Gerasimov directly to Dunford on 19.07.2018. The US response has been to seek a political solution to the 7 year civil war including UN supervised elections:

The proposal is said to say that the Syrian govt lack the money, kit, fuel and materials to rebuild:

The conversation is being kept private, but obviously the contents of the memo have not:

The US is sticking with returns of the reported majority Sunni refugees in a safe, voluntary and dignified manner. Quotes to rebuild are ranged in the $250Bn region:

The US feels with control of on or around 25% of the country in SDF hands supported by the US and the cost of rebuilding, they are in a good bargaining position:

Gerasimov and Dunford are reported as speaking to each other on a regular basis on military matters, and its thought the rebuilding and refugees offer came from the Helsinki summit, denied by the US but pushed by Russia:

Mattis says no policy changes came from the summit and the memo explicitly says it wasn’t an ‘outcome’ despite Russian statements that it was:

The Russian proposal is to repurpose the 2017 ‘de-escalation zone’ Assad’s Forces and allies broke earlier this year, with Jordan (650k refugees), the US and Russia:


I’m not sure why the US should help pay for the results of Russian carpet bombing and to erect more posters of Assad, but I suppose it’s a proposal that can be counter offered etc.
Par of the efforts is this article - I got a malicious site warning off the redirect BTW but going direct OK - The Grayzone Project | Investigative journalism and opinion on war and empire
 
Russia confirms proposed Syria cooperation with United States
Further to the above, Russia has admitted Gerasimov’s letter to Dunford. They were talking about Rukban refugees in Jordan near the area of the Syrian, Iraq and Jordan borders currently patrolled by coalition forces. Talking about their return, guarantees of safety and de-mining ops:
Russia’s Defence Ministry confirmed on Saturday that it had proposed cooperating with the United States on Syrian refugees and de-mining in a letter sent to the top U.S. general in July.

The proposals on refugees concerned a refugee camp in Rukban, the ministry said in a statement.

In the letter, Valery Gerasimov, chief of the Russian military’s General Staff, said Moscow was ready to discuss with Damascus safety guarantees for refugees stranded at Rukban, as well as creating conditions for their return home.

Rukban lies within a 55 km so-called de-confliction zone set up by the United States to ensure the safety of its garrison close to the Iraqi-Syrian border.

“A proposal was also made to coordinate humanitarian de-mining, including in Raqqa, and other priority humanitarian issues,” the Russian ministry said.

Reuters reported the letter on Friday, citing a U.S. government memo.
 
Head of Syria research center killed in car bombing: newspaper,...
Head of the Syrian Scientific Research Centre, widely believed to be the cover for Assad’s govt’s use and development of CW has been killed in a car bomb. TaS (contains al Nusra) have claimed the attack killing Aziz Asber:
The head of a Syrian research facility that Western countries say was part of a chemical weapons program was killed when his car was blown up, the pro-Syrian government newspaper al-Watan said on Sunday.

Aziz Asber was the director of the Syrian Scientific Research Centre in Masyaf, near the city of Hama, which Western governments say was a covert Syrian government installation.
JaN say they laid the explosives which killed Asber:
“(Asber) died after an explosion targeted his car in the Hama countryside,” al-Watan said in an online report.

The attack on Asber was claimed by a Syrian rebel group affiliated to Tahrir al-Sham, a rebel group. It includes the group formerly known as the Nusra Front, which served as al Qaeda’s Syrian branch.

The Abu Amara Brigades released a statement on their Telegram online channel that said they “planted explosive devices” which detonated and killed Asber.
 
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Islamic State in Syria executes hostage from Sweida attack: media,...
IS up to their old tricks. Executing one of the reported 30 or so hostages taken when they temporarily overran the govt controlled city of Sweida when they also killed 200 or so people during the attack:
Islamic State in Syria has executed one of a number of hostages taken from Syria’s government-held city of Sweida in an attack last week, local media and a war monitor said on Sunday.

Dozens of people were killed on July 25 in coordinated assaults by Islamic State militants who overran villages and staged multiple suicide attacks inside Sweida city, killing more than 200 people, many of them civilians.
The Druze are negotiating with IS for the remaining hostages release. Elsewhere (see below), there’s a reported 600k Druze in Syria:
The Sweida area, in southwestern Syria, is mostly inhabited by people from the Druze sect. There have been negotiations between Druze authorities and Islamic State for the hostages’ release.
A BBC article from ‘15 about the Druze. Initially supporting Assad and forming local NDF forces, they became a tad fed up with the rounding up of draft dodgers after the initial SAA losses: Syria's Druze under threat as conflict spreads
 
Syrian army urges people in Idlib to agree return of state rule
First stage ref Idlib. leaflet drops asking people to accept govt rule:
The leaflets, dropped in rural valleys near Idlib city, told residents: “Your cooperation with the Syrian Arab Army will release you from the rule of militants and terrorists, and will preserve your and your families’ lives.”

We call upon you to join local reconciliation (agreements) as many others in Syria have done,” said a leaflet in the name of the army command, a copy of which was seen by Reuters.
Turkey still has troops located in the 12 outposts surrounding the 'de-escalation zone'. Egeland, the UN adviser says the 7 year civil war shouldn't end with a bloodbath (has he forgotten about Tr FSA and SDF positions?) and the tripartite powers (Russia, Turkey and Iran) had all agreed to do their utmost to avoid the forthcoming battle:
U.N. humanitarian adviser Jan Egeland said on Thursday that Turkey, Russia and Iran had all agreed to “do their utmost to avoid” a battle in Idlib.

“This war must end not in a bloodbath but in agreements,” he said. But he added that the U.N. was making preparations and that he would ask Turkey to keep its borders open for fleeing civilians.

“There is intensive diplomatic activity with Russia, Turkey, Iran, the Syrian government and armed opposition groups to avoid escalation in a de-escalation zone, but of course there is conflict every single day indeed there,” he added.
Most of the people in Idlib have relocated there after other deals throughout Assad's govt controlled areas. As have most of the Jihadi's, other than IS:
But many rebels, civilian dissidents and others have instead opted to take safe passage to the opposition-held northwest, an arc of territory at the Turkish border that stretches from Idlib to the city of Jarablus on the Euphrates River.

Idlib is controlled by an array of insurgent groups, with Sunni Muslim jihadists believed to be the dominant force there.
If an attack does go in, it'll likely mean 2.5M refugees heading to Turkey
 
And through Turkey - in EU. If I was you - I've terminated support of the anti-Assad terrorists.
You seriously think we support those in Idlib? You’re ‘barking’ up the wrong tree
 

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You seriously think we support those in Idlib? You’re ‘barking’ up the wrong tree
Yes. You are the 'wrong tree'. Mtw 7:17-19
  1. Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
  2. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
  3. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
 
Yes. You are the 'wrong tree'. Mtw 7:17-19
  1. Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
  2. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
  3. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
I was thing more of you (being) barking tbh. Anyway, what evidence do you have the West supports those in Idlib?
 
Who need evidences here? "Highly likely" and "ongoing investigation" is more than enough for you.
You’re a sad little Shagrat aren’t you.
Anyway. You start agression against Syria, you should pay for it. Feeding few millions of additional migrants should be the good start.
You support Assad using CW. Says it all
 
Russia supports legal, democratically elected government of Syria. "Usage of CW" is just a stupid show made by PR Agency of Al Qaeda and British clowns. Both Arabs and Brits don't act as if they really believe in possibility of CW usage.
Just one example investigated out of hundreds of reported use:
https://www.securitycouncilreport.org/atf/cf/{65BFCF9B-6D27-4E9C-8CD3-CF6E4FF96FF9}/s_2017_904.pdf
On the basis of the foregoing, the Leadership Panel is confident that the Syrian Arab Republic is responsible for the release of sarin at Khan Shaykhun on 4 April 2017. The findings of the Leadership Panel regarding the evidence in this case are based on the information set forth in detail in annex II.
This was by a unanimously voted for UNSC Resolution appointed investigative mechanism. They found Assad's govt guilty. Russia upset by the continued findings against Assad's govt for using CW vetoed the renewal and reappointment of the JIM four times.

Russia supports Assad's govts use of CW.
 

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Just one example investigated out of hundreds of reported use:
https://www.securitycouncilreport.org/atf/cf/{65BFCF9B-6D27-4E9C-8CD3-CF6E4FF96FF9}/s_2017_904.pdf

This was by a unanimously voted for UNSC Resolution appointed investigative mechanism. They found Assad's govt guilty. Russia upset by the continued findings against Assad's govt for using CW vetoed the renewal and reappointment of the JIM four times.
Read Annex II and try to think critically about it. Territory was controlled by terrorists.
1) Fragments of "bomb" were not found. If there was no "blast" but just dropped container - remains of it would be found and demonstrated.
2) No one dead body or poisoned persons were really examinated by OPCW "experts". Few urine samples with product of degradation of Sarine (or other materials) - means nothing. Medical records (may be fake documents) does not describe treatment of Sarin-poisoning, but treatment of lung-agents.
3) Photo and video materials of militants don't demonstrate Chem-Suits or gas-masks. Only respirators. If there really was Sarin (in time of photosession) - all of them were already dead.
4) Etc, etc, etc...

It's not surprising, that Russians vetoed such sort of "investigations"
 

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