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Graculus asked, "Do you like him sir?
Have you watched Oliver Stone's Putin Interviews?
You should, even if it's on the basis of "know your enemy", don't you think?
Some very interesting revelations, particularly about how the USSR got their nukes.

Putin has confronted FUKUS in Syria and must think he has done enough... we will see.
And he has said he will cut military spending and use the money saved on healthcare and education. What an extravagant waster!
Putin to gradually cut military spending, boost education & infrastructure – report

Putin should of course follow the US and UK model wasting piles of money on "defence" when no-one is attacking either country, and let their citizens freeze to death over winter.
 
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Graculus asked, "Do you like him sir?
Have you watched Oliver Stone's Putin Interviews?
You should, even if it's on the basis of "know your enemy", don't you think?
Some very interesting revelations, particularly about how the USSR got their nukes.
Seems you have a bit of a 'man crush' on him. Anything you'd like to share?

Putin has confronted FUKUS in Syria and must think he has done enough... we will see.
No he hasn't. His rhetoric of knocking out the missiles and the launch platforms from his spokesmen has proven to be another Kremlin lie
And he has said he will cut military spending and use the money saved on healthcare and education. What an extravagant waster!
Putin to gradually cut military spending, boost education & infrastructure – report

Putin should of course follow the US and UK model wasting piles of money on "defence" when no-one is attacking either country, and let their citizens freeze to death over winter.
You should ask why he said he was going to increase defence spending and is now reducing it. It's nothing to with with ensuring an extra few thousand people don't die in Russia over the New Year due to alcohol poisoning.
 
I believe TOW was given to some FSA in '13 and '14. Problem is, like the conscripted jihadi's, they change sides :) Where the 'other kit' came from is anyone's guess. Even the AK's and 7.62 x 39 ammo could have been via 'the West' as you're not going to arm them with something they don't already know how to use unless you have direct control over them such as the SDF to complete training.

ManPADS was a massive 'no no' but Chinese and other kit has ended up out there.

As the 'moderate rebels' started to die or were dealt with by the 'beards', so those organisations took what they had and used it.

Heavy kit captured from SAA and allies. Support kit from various sources eg captured from other groups, supplied by 'the West' or just captured from the SAA and allies. Small arms captured from SAA and allies, other groups and possibly 'the West' from way back.

Uniformed? :) It looks brand spankers and the manual pretty much untouched. Like any encrypted comms kit, you need to know which crypto your friends are using and frequencies. Probably seemed too much effort wherever they got it from.

I note the Russian SF doing the CP work were using western kit such as OpsCore helmet to 'emulate' their western counterparts. It's never black and white who supplies what and where it ends up in such conflicts like Syria.

At least when it comes to Idlib they won't have to face so many T55's, BMP's, ZSU-23-4's, recoilless rifles, atgm's etc etc as they only seem to have taken personal weapons with them. Not sure on support eg LMGs etc.
The ZSU-23-4 traverse speed was very impressive.
Re. the TOW, a number of FSA TOW teams became well known. In Latakia, one shot down a Russian SAR helicopter. A few months later, the same team took a wrong turn in the mountains and ran into an SAA patrol. They were knocked about a bit (on camera) and never heard of afterwards. It was a direct result of their own self publicising on Twitter - a pitfall of war in the social media age.
I agree re. the kit - a lot was unused. A separate film showed a lot of medical supplies from overseas.
 
The ZSU-23-4 traverse speed was very impressive.
Yep, that's what they're designed to do. Like the 2K22/SA-19 Tunguska . Irrespective of what happened in the video, the speed is impressive:
E2A: Gepard was quite fast:
Re. the TOW, a number of FSA TOW teams became well known. In Latakia, one shot down a Russian SAR helicopter. A few months later, the same team took a wrong turn in the mountains and ran into an SAA patrol. They were knocked about a bit (on camera) and never heard of afterwards. It was a direct result of their own self publicising on Twitter - a pitfall of war in the social media age.
Bragging rights are limited :)
I agree re. the kit - a lot was unused. A separate film showed a lot of medical supplies from overseas.
I'd take a lot of that with a pinch of salt personally. The SAA and allies were nicking the stuff off the UN Convoys, be it trauma kit, diabetes injections, etc. Some got through, but most was stolen.
 
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Graculus asked, "Do you like him sir?
Have you watched Oliver Stone's Putin Interviews?
You should, even if it's on the basis of "know your enemy", don't you think?
Some very interesting revelations, particularly about how the USSR got their nukes.

Putin has confronted FUKUS in Syria and must think he has done enough... we will see.
And he has said he will cut military spending and use the money saved on healthcare and education. What an extravagant waster!
Putin to gradually cut military spending, boost education & infrastructure – report

Putin should of course follow the US and UK model wasting piles of money on "defence" when no-one is attacking either country, and let their citizens freeze to death over winter.
Steve.

Do yourself a favour fella and give up. Maybe ask for a transfer to another desk. Maybe one with a nice view of St Petersburg.

Putin is cutting military expenditure because the Sov economy is down the crapper and the kleptos have stashed the countries wealth in London.

The twirlies don’t freeze to death you twat. They die mostly from respiratory illnesses complicating pre-existing medical conditions. Unlike your fellow countrymen who do freeze to death after a skinful of drain cleaner and anti-freeze (somewhat ironically).
 
Graculus asked, "Do you like him sir?
Have you watched Oliver Stone's Putin Interviews?
You should, even if it's on the basis of "know your enemy", don't you think?
Some very interesting revelations, particularly about how the USSR got their nukes.

Putin has confronted FUKUS in Syria and must think he has done enough... we will see.
And he has said he will cut military spending and use the money saved on healthcare and education. What an extravagant waster!
Putin to gradually cut military spending, boost education & infrastructure – report

Putin should of course follow the US and UK model wasting piles of money on "defence" when no-one is attacking either country, and let their citizens freeze to death over winter.
One more time....where are you posting from, Moscow or St Petersburg?

Why spend your time on a site that is mainly ex-mil telling us about stuff you know nothing about?

Why do you keep on pushing Russian agitprop?

Why, if you're Lancs, are you incapable of dealing with fairly gentle brit humour?
 
One more time....where are you posting from, Moscow or St Petersburg?

1. Why spend your time on a site that is mainly ex-mil telling us about stuff you know nothing about?

2. Why do you keep on pushing Russian agitprop?

3. Why, if you're Lancs, are you incapable of dealing with fairly gentle brit humour?
1. I retired to Thailand.
2. Hardly anyone else is remotely interested in these topics and either watches soaps or football... ask around in your local and see what response you get. Even people whom you would assume to be well-informed and intelligent don't know, and don't care. Believe it or not, this is an enclave of serious discussion about serious subjects.
I became disillusioned with my world view when I started to travel and realised I had unquestioningly swallowed British propaganda from childhood. My first "wake up call " was a report in an historical American newspaper about the conquest of the Philippines when the US commander said something like "We should keep killing the natives in the English fashion until they give up", which absolutely shocked me.
Since then I have looked at different sources and opinions about what is going on. Mostly I read American alternative opinions because believe it or not, they have more freedom than the British press.
3. I can deal with the humour, although I may have missed some of the jokes because I was never in the military (which I was clear about when I joined) otherwise I wouldn't bother to post.
I was born in Yorkshire but the name was taken, so I picked the next best thing. So far as I can make out you all hide your identities so why worry about me?
 
1. I retired to Thailand.
For 'the scenery and cuisine' no doubt
2. Hardly anyone else is remotely interested in these topics and either watches soaps or football... ask around in your local and see what response you get. Even people whom you would assume to be well-informed and intelligent don't know, and don't care. Believe it or not, this is an enclave of serious discussion about serious subjects.
I became disillusioned with my world view when I started to travel and realised I had unquestioningly swallowed British propaganda from childhood. My first "wake up call " was a report in an historical American newspaper about the conquest of the Philippines when the US commander said something like "We should keep killing the natives in the English fashion until they give up", which absolutely shocked me.
Since then I have looked at different sources and opinions about what is going on. Mostly I read American alternative opinions because believe it or not, they have more freedom than the British press.
Sites that tell you there is oil in the Golan?
3. I can deal with the humour, although I may have missed some of the jokes because I was never in the military (which I was clear about when I joined) otherwise I wouldn't bother to post.
I was born in Yorkshire but the name was taken, so I picked the next best thing. So far as I can make out you all hide your identities so why worry about me?
And with that simple statement, you have blown your cover 'comrade'
 
1. I retired to Thailand.
Umm... I wonder why?
I became disillusioned with my world view when I started to travel and realised I had unquestioningly swallowed British propaganda from childhood. What like the fact that peadophilia is frowned upon in the western world.
Since then I have looked at different sources and opinions about what is going on.
Fixed.
 
1. I retired to Thailand.
Don't tell him Pi....too late.
2. Hardly anyone else is remotely interested in these topics and either watches soaps or football... ask around in your local and see what response you get. Even people whom you would assume to be well-informed and intelligent don't know, and don't care. Believe it or not, this is an enclave of serious discussion about serious subjects.
I became disillusioned with my world view when I started to travel and realised I had unquestioningly swallowed British propaganda from childhood. My first "wake up call " was a report in an historical American newspaper about the conquest of the Philippines when the US commander said something like "We should keep killing the natives in the English fashion until they give up", which absolutely shocked me.
Since then I have looked at different sources and opinions about what is going on. Mostly I read American alternative opinions because believe it or not, they have more freedom than the British press.
Keeping in mind that a lot of us have done this shit for a living and are far more cynical of government than the average punter. What makes you think that spamming the site with Russian agitprop will endear you to anyone? Here's the kicker, we know it for what it is, we recognise it much better than some fat knacker drama queen like Alex Jones and his ilk. It's shit and it's derailing this thread.
3. I can deal with the humour, although I may have missed some of the jokes because I was never in the military (which I was clear about when I joined) otherwise I wouldn't bother to post.
I was born in Yorkshire but the name was taken, so I picked the next best thing. So far as I can make out you all hide your identities so why worry about me?
You have no posting history and post shit. You don't get brit humour and accept blatant Russian lies as fact. And you're the world's first delicate Yorkie.
 
I am genuinely astonished at the animosity. Why are you afraid of alternative opinions?
That deserves a ‘funny’ all by itself. Tell us ‘Steve’, how long were you in the U.K. for until you ‘retired’ to Thailand? Did you watch any tv whilst you were in the U.K.? Whereabouts in Yorkshire were you? How long did you live there for?

Alternative opinions? You’ve just promoted Vlad and his govt. You’re unable to look up references such as OPCW FFM's, Joint Investigative Mechanism, UNSCR 2118 and 2254 and have no idea about the U.K.

Like many agitprop merchants you seem to wish us to forget about Syria. Sadly, it’s on the news especially when CW attacks occur. If Assad actually complied with those two unanimous Resolutions, it probably wouldn’t be as much.
 
An informative article here from International Review re. the role of former rebels in pro-Government forces.
I had wondered about the reliability of such forces, an issue addressed in the article. The article also discusses the prospects of full reconciliation between former enemies.

Edit. Quite a sobering read.

The Growing Role of Reconciled Rebels in Syria | International Review

Article:

In 2013, two years after the first anti-government protests began in Dara’a, the Syrian Arab Army (SAA) was estimated to have lost half of its pre-war strength to defections and combat deaths.1 By the end of 2017, analysts put the number of offensive-capable fighters in the SAA at no more than 25,000.2 In order to ameliorate this manpower shortage, Damascus has pursued three strategies. First, it enabled the proliferation of pro-government militias through the passage of 2013’s Legislative Decree 55 which allowed for contracting private companies to protect gas and oil infrastructure.3Some militias were affiliated with established governmental bodies, such as the Air Intelligence-affiliated Tiger Forces from Hama. Other groups formed from wealthy businessmen connected to the government, like the Jaber brothers’ Republican Guard-affiliated Desert Hawks.4 Many more militias mobilized within key loyalist communities, like the Aleppo Palestinian Liwa al-Quds and Damascus Palestinian PFLP-GC.

Second, Assad’s allies sent large numbers of foreign fighters to bolster the frontlines, with Hezbollah officially entering the war in early 2013 alongside thousands of IRGC-linked Afghan and Pakistani men, while Iraqi Shia militias had been fighting in Syria since 2012.567 Both of these strategies are well documented.

The third and less discussed strategy is the conscription of former rebels into the SAA and affiliated militias.89These men, locals from former rebel towns that underwent reconciliation agreements with the government, have taken on an increasingly prominent role among some frontline units. This article combines one year’s worth of martyrdom reports with an interview of a pro-government Syrian for a detailed analysis of the Syrian government's reliance on reconciled rebels in offensive operations.

Conscripting Reconciled Syrians
Sixty-seven pro-government deaths were reported over the past year from specific towns in the Quneitra governorate. Of these, thirty-four came from the crucial pro-government Druze town of Hader while at least eight were of former rebels from Khan Arnaba. In other words, 12% of the reported pro-government deaths with identifiable hometowns in Quneitra between March 20, 2017 and March 20, 2018 were reconciled rebels. The town of Khan Arnaba, which reconciled in May 2016, lost at least 176 locals and displaced residents due to combat between May 2016 and September 2017, as seen in the Facebook post below.

Quneitra Governor Abdul Qadir and members of the region's Ba'ath Party and town police meet with the families of 176 martyrs from the reconciled town of Khan Arnaba.

The first reconciliation deal of the Syrian Civil War occurred in the city of Homs in 2014.10 However, it was not until Decree 15 passed in July 2016 that reconciliation became an official part of the Syrian government's strategy to win the war.11 Since then, scores of rebel-held towns and neighborhoods have been forced to reconcile with Damascus. According to the interviewee, who wishes to remain anonymous for security purposes, reconciled rebels from the southern governorates of Damascus, Dara’a, and Quneitra have largely been conscripted into SAA units. Meanwhile, reconciled rebels from the governorates of Homs and Hama have generally remained as local defense militias. This difference partly comes from the fact that Hama and Homs rebels reconciled much earlier in the war when government manpower shortages were not as severe, while many Damascus, Dara'a, and Quneitra rebels reconciled later in 2016 and 2017.

The interviewee also attributes this difference to the ideological departure between southern and northern Syria. He states:

"The Ba'ath sentiment among the NDF/SAA in Qunietra is very weak compared to the hardliners in Hama and Homs. The differences between the two sides [rebels and loyalists] run much deeper in Homs and Hama, where you also have the historical and religious backgrounds which makes the transition to a trusted pro-government faction almost impossible for many up in the hierarchy of the army."

On the other hand, many of the southern rebels claim that they first joined the FSA due to maltreatment by the army, a more manageable motivation than the hardliners in the north.

Despite this, loyalist fighters hold immense animosity towards these ex-rebels. In one example, an ex-rebel group from Quneitra called ‘Ashirah al-Musalaha is widely referred to as the “Daesh Hawks” within NDF circles. These former rebels have zero connection or similarity to the ideology of the Islamic State (ISIS), which 'Daesh' is a derogatory term for. Instead, they are organized through the Golan Regiment and Quneitra Hawks, both of which include ex-rebels, and fight under the command of the 9th Division. The ‘Ashirah al-Musalaha assisted the government in breaking the rebel siege of the vehicle management base in Harasta, Damascus, in January 2018 and lost at least one member.

The martyrdom announcement for Bahaa Mousa of the "Reconciliation Clan" killed in Harasta, Damascus on March 5, 2018.

Ex-rebels have played leading roles in several offensive and defensive operations over the past year. In the aforementioned Harasta operation, former rebels took frontline positions as members of the 9th Division and Qalamoun Shield Forces (QSF) stopping and ultimately reversing rebel gains. QSF also played a prominent role in the government’s late 2017 Hama and Idlib offensives and was crucial in the government defense of the town of Qomhana during the rebel offensive in North Hama in March 2017 [[Based on martyrdom reports and QSF claims. Majority of government deaths reported in Qomhana in the three days around which the rebels threatened the city came from QSF, which arrived on the front on the same day as the main rebel attack. https://twitter.com/JohnArterbury/status/845440827199512576]]. Other ex-rebels serve in the 58th Brigade as ‘elite’ ATGM hunters, taking advantage of their extensive experience with western-supplied ATGMs used against government armor. The 58th Brigade was previously affiliated with the 1st Division but is now also under the command of the 9th Division. The 58th Brigade held frontline positions in the Harasta battle and later sent men to counter the brutal ISIS attack in the southern Damascus neighborhood of Qadem. Incidentally, in Qadem the ex-rebels of the 58th Brigade fought alongside two mukhabarat units based out of nearby detention centers.

Many former rebels from the Dara’a town of Ghabaghib now fight in the 7th Division, which took a prominent role in October 2017 in the Beit Jin offensive, losing at least 14 men, and participated in the March 2018 East Ghouta offensive, losing a Colonel. A small contingent of Dara’a rebels have been incorporated into the 1st Division, which helped lead the assault on ISIS-held Mayadin, located 44 kilometres southeast of Deir Ez Zor, in October 2017 and also contributed to the counter attack in Qadem.

The ex-rebel Hermon Regiment was established in the beginning of 2017 as part of the reconciliation deal with four rebel towns nearby the Beit Jinn pocket in southern Damascus.12 When Beit Jinn itself reconciled at the end of 2017, many of its rebel groups also joined the Hermon Regiment. Three men from this unit died in the government’s East Ghouta offensive on March 12, 2018. A year and half earlier, the town of Khan Arnabah reconciled with Damascus and many of its Free Syrian Army (FSA) fighters formed a new pro-government militia known as the Golan Regiment.13 One of its commanders, Majd Heimoud, served in the SAA in 2011 prior to defecting to the FSA.14 Heimoud was killed by an IED in June 2017. In the thirteen months between reconciling and his death, he and the Golan Regiment had fought in Palmyra, Homs, Jobar, Damascus, in the Hama countryside, and, according to the interviewee, have become the primary pro-government fighters in Quneitra.

Former rebels from Quneitra, like those in the Golan Regiment, have been undergoing reconciliation since 2015. Reportedly, Quneitra rebels first join the local Golan Regiment or Quneitra Hawks where they are then gradually co-opted into SAA units across the country. In Dara’a, however, reconciled rebels are placed under the command of the Military Intelligence Directorate in select training camps in the governorate.

Rebels who enter SAA units are not dispersed with the ‘regular’ loyalist fighters but rather operate in their own small groups within the larger SAA unit. When asked if loyalist and ex-rebel fighters interacted, the interviewee responded “you might get ousted from groups or labelled as a traitor if you keep too much contact with openly pro-rebel people. I would imagine it is something of a similar nature for ex-rebels who are still anti-government.”

From Republican Guard to ex-Rebel
The QSF prove an interesting example of a pro-government militia initially formed to fight the rebels that would gradually come to dominate it. QSF was formed by October 2014 as a Republican Guard-affiliated militia of local loyalists from the Qalamoun region outside Damascus.15 Its formation coincided with the first major government gains against rebel positions around the capital. Syria analyst Aymenn J. al-Tamimi states that "the roots of Quwat Dir' al-Qalamoun [QSF] can be traced back to wider Republican Guard efforts to mobilise auxiliary forces in the Qalamoun area as areas were retaken from the rebels."16

For a time, QSF was also affiliated with the SAA's 3rd Division. However, in May 2016 the group announced its split from the 3rd Division while retaining it's affiliation with Republican Guard, Air Intelligence, and Military Intelligence Branch 216.17 Three QSF units remained affiliated with the 3rd Division: al-Jabba, al-Bureij, and al-Tawani, named after the towns they recruited from. Al-Jabba, which had previously reconciled with the government, had at least six reported deaths fighting in North and East Hama. Three men from al-Bureij and two men from al-Tawani died last year in East Hama and North Hama, respectively.

As Tamimi reports, QSF has engaged in widespread recruitment within reconciled towns in the Qalamoun since its inception, but he is unable to state exactly how much of QSF are former rebels.18 Yet martyrdom reports collected over the past year can provide a semi-accurate view of how extensively ex-rebels have been incorporated into QSF.

Between March 20, 2017 and March 6, 2018, loyalist Facebook pages reported 109 QSF combat deaths. These men died in North Hama and Damascus fighting against Syrian opposition forces and in East Hama, Palmyra, and Deir Ez Zor fighting ISIS. Between 64% and 74% of the reported deaths were reconciled rebels.

Five fighters from the Qalamoun Shield Forces killed in Qomhana, Hama on March 26, 2017. At least four are reconciled rebels from Jebbah and Deir Atiyah.

More than one third of the reported QSF deaths came from al-Tal locals alone. Al-Tal reconciled in November 2016 and, as with most reconciliations, included in its deal that no men would be conscripted into pro-government militias for at least six months.1920However, by the first week of June 2017 seventeen men from the town had died fighting in the ranks of QSF in East Hama. Anecdotal reports spoke of widespread, daily arrests and forced conscription of the male residents, while one local who helped negotiate the reconciliation deal is now in charge of "recruiting" residents for pro-government militias.2122

Syria Divided
As mentioned above, loyalist fighters view reconciled rebels with disdain, referring to men with no Islamist leanings as "Daesh Hawks" and regularly accusing them of betrayal. Little to no regard is given for the central role many of these men play in securing government victories. When rebels broke through the QSF and Republican Guard defenses in Harasta, Damascus and besieged the vehicle management base on December 29, 2017, both English and Arabic pro-government Facebook and Twitter users unfairly accused the former rebels in the QSF of defecting and allowing the rapid rebel advances.23

The use of reconciled rebels as front line troops against their former neighbors and allies is just another sad chapter in the story of a nation torn apart. While conscripting reconciled rebels has proved crucial to addressing the government's manpower shortages, these men - who now give their lives to help secure Assad's hold on power - will forever be viewed as pariahs and traitors by loyalist Syrians simply because of their political beliefs. In a state where the families of loyalist fighters are threatened for not being loyal enough to the government, there is little hope for the full reintegration of opposition Syrians - no matter how much blood they spill for Damascus.
 
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I am genuinely astonished at the animosity. Why are you afraid of alternative opinions?
There is a difference between having an alternative pov, and spouting obvious pro-russian agitprop.
This forum is not fb. Nor is it's membership made up of sheep, who will just agree with anything. There are many subject matter experts on this forum, who not only know their stuff but teach it too.
If you are going to post something that you've watched on YouTube, or read on RT, then you should expect to get called on it.
If you don't like this, then I suggest that you decamp to elsewhere.
 
For 'the scenery and cuisine' no doubt

Sites that tell you there is oil in the Golan?

And with that simple statement, you have blown your cover 'comrade'
When russia first went into Syria I said it was for the skiing not the oil.
With a statement like that I hope he never goes back to the white rose country, they will lynch him from Micklegate Bar.
 
I had a lot of postings deleted because ??? , well no really honest explanation was given. My posts didn't suit the regime. Also they told everyone I was posting from Thailand, so telling you that didn't tell you anything you didn't already know.
Thailand is the Land of Smiles. Very nice people for the most part, but the reason I retired here is that I had a friend who had done it before and assured me I could live on my savings.
When I said this forum was an enclave of serious discussions about serious subjects, I obviously didn't mean the likes of scalieback who always has to have the last word, even if it is utterly redundant.
Attacking me personally won't change things will it? The more vociferous you are the more desperate you will appear to be to anyone you can't bully ... which is everyone hiding behind a nom de plume. How can you bully someone into accepting your opinion when you don't know who they are?
Na' then.
 
I had a lot of postings deleted because ??? , well no really honest explanation was given. My posts didn't suit the regime. Also they told everyone I was posting from Thailand, so telling you that didn't tell you anything you didn't already know.
Thailand is the Land of Smiles. Very nice people for the most part, but the reason I retired here is that I had a friend who had done it before and assured me I could live on my savings.
When I said this forum was an enclave of serious discussions about serious subjects, I obviously didn't mean the likes of scalieback who always has to have the last word, even if it is utterly redundant.
Attacking me personally won't change things will it? The more vociferous you are the more desperate you will appear to be to anyone you can't bully ... which is everyone hiding behind a nom de plume. How can you bully someone into accepting your opinion when you don't know who they are?
Na' then.
I would say 'tell us what you think', not what Russia thinks. You can reject Western media without embracing Russian media. All media has some agenda but none is 100% right or wrong.
Re. this site, a discussion about Syria, such as you find here, would last about two minutes on a Left Wing website. You have encountered some hostility as you appear to have picked a fight, which is not the same as disagreeing with others. You are also discussing issues which appear to have only an oblique link to Syria.
As @Ho2331 says, paraphrasing, this is a site where most people are cynical and not always accepting of the MSM view. However, that does not mean we are all glued to RT and Pravda.
 
Brave Tommies, your government is lying to you and you are supporting a war of terrorists. Whilst you are reading this thread, al-qaeda terrorists are make sleep with you wives. Think of your mother's crying face because you are the support terrorists.

My mother in Yorkshire, she say before she die 'Ivan, I raise you to be good, honest and generous Yorkshirecomrade, promise me you will always lend money to people and hate the terrorismists'.
 

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