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Fighting continues near Damascus as the Syrian government continues its push to defeat the remaining rebel enclaves in the area. Syria government appears poised to gain more Damascus ground from rebels | CBC News
Insurgents in the last area outside Syrian government control near Damascus agreed on Friday to withdraw, but the army's bombardment continued pending a full surrender deal, state media and a war monitor reported.

The development heralds another advance for President Bashar al-Assad's push to retake remaining enclaves and strengthen his position around the capital after retaking eastern Ghouta this month.
OPCW inspectors are reportedly still waiting to visit the site of the supposed chemical attack. However, Reuters reported that a vehicle with licence plates used by international organisations and escorted by Russian military police was near the site on Friday.
International inspectors from the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) who arrived in Damascus nearly a week ago were still waiting early on Friday to visit the site of the suspected poison gas attack.

However, a Reuters witness saw a vehicle with licence plates used by international organisations and escorted by Russian military police near the site in Douma on Friday, three days after UN security personnel doing reconnaissance for the OPCW inspectors was forced to turn back because of gunfire.
To return back to the fighting, the surrender of a rebel enclave which includes the Yarmouk Palestinian refugee camp will bring the entire Damascus region back under government control.
The surrender of the enclave in south Damascus that includes the Yarmouk Palestinian refugee camp Hajar al-Aswad district and neighbouring areas will bring the entire area around the capital back under Assad's control.
Under the proposed deal, IS personnel will leave for other IS territory in eastern Syria, while other rebel factions will leave for other rebel enclaves in northern Syria.
Under the deal, Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS) fighters, who control part of the enclave, will leave for territory the group controls in eastern Syria, while other factions leave for opposition territory in the north, state media reported.
The SOHR stated that fighting continues because not all rebel factions have agreed to the terms. In particular, some of the IS fighters rejected it.
Sporadic shelling persisted, the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights war monitor said. State television said the military campaign was continuing because insurgents had not agreed to all details of the surrender. The Observatory said it was because some of the ISIS fighters still rejected the deal.
Other rebels began pulling out of another enclave in Dumayr, and rebels in Eastern Qalamoun (mentioned I believe in another post by @Red Hander ) said they have also agreed to withdraw.
Rebels on Thursday began pulling out of Dumayr, an enclave northeast of Damascus, under a surrender deal with the government. Insurgents in another enclave nearby — Eastern Qalamoun — said they had also agreed to withdraw.

Thousands of civilians, including the fighters' families, are expected to leave with them for northern Syria before the areas come back under Assad's rule under deals similar to others carried out across the country as government forces advance.
Conditions in rebel controlled territory in northern Syria are reported to be very poor.
Conditions in the opposition-held pocket of northern Syria where the displaced will go are poor.
 
Everybody is averse to loss of aircraft. They are very expensive and they have people in them.

My question is about EW. In the latest spat in Syria, Russia did not go after our aircraft. Fair enough, they did not encroach upon Syrian airspace and it would appear Syrian air defence kicked in after the flying telegraph poles had hit their targets.

But in the event of a proper knife fight in the air (God forbid) how does our EW capability stack up against the Evil Empire? Marks out of ten will do.
I can't give you an answer in terms of who is best at what, and anybody who genuinely does have inside information isn't going to be posting about it on here.

However, there is the rather famous saying that "quantity has a quality all of its own". No matter how good an S-300 system might be, and what Syria gets won't be the best the Russians have, western countries have enough "quantity" of missiles of various types and electronic warfare platforms to overwhelm whatever the Syrians might plausibly deploy. The air defence system itself would be a target, meaning that it will itself be eroded in the course of attempting to defend.

I suspect the US, UK, and France could repeat the recent attacks with cruise missiles even in the face of an upgraded Syrian air defence. What an S-300 might do however is limit what western aircraft can do over Syria in future without either taking risks that are considered unacceptable (see my previous comment on being risk averse), or turning what would otherwise be a small and simple operation into a much larger one requiring more planning and resources.

Of course getting some missiles and radars is only one step in building an effective air defence organisation and system. It also takes time and the right people.

I suspect the talk about S-300 systems is primarily a minor escalation step by the Russians to point out to the west that there will be a price to be paid for last week's missile attacks. The message will be that more missiles of more advanced character may be supplied to other countries such as Iran and Turkey. The Americans are at this time very upset that the Turks have turned to Russia for an air defence system after Turkish talks with the US about buying one from them fell through.
 

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I can't give you an answer in terms of who is best at what, and anybody who genuinely does have inside information isn't going to be posting about it on here.
Cheers for post. Have an 'info' thing.
 
https://www.opcw.org/fileadmin/OPCW...ment_of_Chemical_Warfare_Casualties_-_web.pdf

Media Alert: Update on the Deployment of the OPCW Fact-Finding Mission to Douma, Syria
Nothing further on the OPCW site about any visit two weeks after the ‘alleged’ attack. Allegations of delays from ‘the West’. OPCW won’t comment on ongoing investigations.

Russian Mil Police control both sites. Site 1 was ‘the crowd’. Site 2 was the small arms fire and explosion. U.N. Dept for Safety and Security (UNDSS) are checking the sites (recce team) are secure and have advised the OPCW FFM not to go there due to the incidents:
On arrival at Site 1, a large crowd gathered and the advice provided by the UNDSS was that the reconnaissance team should withdraw. At Site 2, the team came under small arms fire and an explosive was detonated. The reconnaissance team returned to Damascus.

The UNDSS will continue to work with the Syrian National Authority, the local Councils in Douma, and the Russian Military Police to review the security situation. At present, we do not know when the FFM team can be deployed to Douma. Of course, I shall only consider such deployment following approval by the UNDSS, and provided that our team can have unhindered access to the sites.

This incident again highlights the highly volatile environment in which the FFM is having to work and the security risks our staff are facing. I should like to take this opportunity to express my gratitude to States Parties for their continued support for the FFM, as they reiterated during the Council meeting on Monday. This is particularly important for our staff taking part in such challenging missions.
 
https://www.opcw.org/fileadmin/OPCW...ment_of_Chemical_Warfare_Casualties_-_web.pdf

Media Alert: Update on the Deployment of the OPCW Fact-Finding Mission to Douma, Syria
Nothing further on the OPCW site about any visit two weeks after the ‘alleged’ attack. Allegations of delays from ‘the West’. OPCW won’t comment on ongoing investigations.

Russian Mil Police control both sites. Site 1 was ‘the crowd’. Site 2 was the small arms fire and explosion. U.N. Dept for Safety and Security (UNDSS) are checking the sites (recce team) are secure and have advised the OPCW FFM not to go there due to the incidents:
I guess the Russians haven't finished "sanitising" the sites yet then...
 
Who and what do you believe?
I believe that those who continually post conspiracy theories are missing something fundamentally in their life. HTH.
 
It is getting rather tedious to trawl through 118 conspiraloon stuff now. What was an informative thread is turning into a repetitive circus of 118 crayoning.
As does any thread he infects.
 
The primary-source of int ref Douma, The western-funded AQ-linked White Lids?

US propaganda?



Russian propaganda?



Who and what do you believe?
Why is the OPCW FFM still not on site?
 
RT are saying they have been to one site. OPCW tweet in body of article.
OPCW confirms visit to site of alleged chemical attack in Syria
The article also records Russian unhappiness re. aspects of the inspection.
The original OPCW press release is here: OPCW Fact-Finding Mission Team Visits Douma, Syria

The OPCW visited one of the sites in Douma and collected samples. They will evaluate the situation before deciding whether to visit other possible sites.
The Fact-Finding Mission (FFM) team of the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) visited one of the sites in Douma, Syrian Arab Republic today to collect samples for analysis in connection with allegations of chemical weapons use on 7 April 2018. The OPCW will evaluate the situation and consider future steps including another possible visit to Douma.
The samples will be sent to the OPCW lab in Rijswijk, and then sent to other labs for analysis.
The samples collected will be transported to the OPCW Laboratory in Rijswijk and then dispatched for analysis to the OPCW’s designated labs. Based on the analysis of the sample results as well other information and materials collected by the team, the FFM will compile their report for submission to the States Parties to the Chemical Weapons Convention for their consideration.
 
The original OPCW press release is here: OPCW Fact-Finding Mission Team Visits Douma, Syria

The OPCW visited one of the sites in Douma and collected samples. They will evaluate the situation before deciding whether to visit other possible sites.


The samples will be sent to the OPCW lab in Rijswijk, and then sent to other labs for analysis.
I the OPCW's first report will be ready within 72 hours of their return to HQ but I don't know if the findings are made public at that stage.
The Russians are handling the matter skilfully (from their perspective, not ours); they have muddied the waters by delaying the start of the inspection and then publicising their concerns about who is interviewed by the FFM, and in what circumstances. Whilst the OPCW can't say who carried out an attack (if it is found CW were used), the Russians seem to be trying to trying to sow doubt about the usefulness of this inspection in general.
 
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I the OPCW's first report will be ready within 72 hours of their return to HQ but I don't know if the findings are made public at that stage.
The Russians are handling the matter skilfully (from their perspective, not ours); they have muddied the waters by delaying the start of the inspection and then publicising their concerns about who is interviewed by the FFM, and in what circumstances. Whilst the OPCW can't say who carried out an attack (if it is found CW were used), the Russians seem to be trying to trying to sow doubt about the usefulness of this inspection in general.
The more they make moves to constrain & confuse, the more certain people are that at the very least, Russia is covering up Syrian guilt.
Stupid Russians.
 
Turkey, rebel allies have lost hundreds in Afrin fighting, Erdogan...
Turkey has 56 confirmed KIA and ‘hundreds’ of their sponsored FSA killed during ‘Op Olive Branch’. They also say the YPG have suffered even more cas.
Turkey and its Syrian rebel allies have lost “hundreds” of fighters in total since the start of a campaign in northwest Syria three months ago, President Tayyip Erdogan said on Saturday, with the rebels suffering the bulk of the losses.
“Alongside our 56 martyrs, the FSA army had hundreds of martyrs,” Erdogan told Turkey’s NTV in an interview broadcast live.
 
He works on the next desk down from me and in the other office just around from you!!
I thought it was all a secret but you let the cat out of the bag!!
 
'Most likely' (C) PMTM, gen.Shaw is Russian agent.
The headline is somewhat misleading.

General Shaw says Assad’s winning. He has been for years and in fact ‘won’ in November last year. He was still found guilty by the JIM of using Sarin last year despite ‘winning’
 

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