Syria

10th April- Invited by Syria not Russia. Russia is a different country.
Syria Invites OPCW to Investigate Alleged Chemical Attack in Douma
Chemical weapons experts to inspect attack site in Syria
A senior Russian lawmaker said Tuesday that Moscow is willing to help arrange an OPCW visit to the site of the suspected attack. Yevgeny Serberennikov, from the defense committee at the Federation Council, told the RIA Novosti news agency that Russia is eager for the OPCW to “finally start carrying out the functions it was created for.”
OPCW Will Deploy Fact-Finding Mission to Douma, Syria
Today, the OPCW Technical Secretariat has requested the Syrian Arab Republic to make the necessary arrangements for such a deployment. This has coincided with a request from the Syrian Arab Republic and the Russian Federation to investigate the allegations of chemical weapons use in Douma. The team is preparing to deploy to Syria shortly.
I'll change it to both though.
The day before OPCW could get going the 'coalition of the willing' put in an attack.
The day before they land

I know it would be in Syria's best interest to get this over and done with and it shouldn't be surprising that any Syrians are protesting or that this could even be being purposefully scuppered to silence dissenting voices in western countries.
After all, what could Syria have to hide?
Exactly. Surely you of all people can see the conspiracy there can't you?

Gunfire and protesters just when the UN recce team go in but not reported previously either when the reporters were there or mentioned by the Russian 'inspection'. Assad meets Russian MP's but doesn't on the face of it make sure the inspection site(s) is clear and cordoned to prove his point.

First of all rumours of 'visa's', then UXO, now gunfire and 'protesters'. Surely you should be concerned?
 
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Just updated.
Edit: Twitter is difficult as a source but some Syrian sources seem to post accurate factual info about sightings of this and that. Re. wider questions like are the Russians going to supply more capable SAM to Syria, multiple Twitter reports and photos are sometimes an indicator of activity. I tend to think something COULD be happening and to wait for more info.

The Russians did say earlier that they were considering supplying S-300 missiles to one or more unnamed countries. It is entirely plausible that they will supply these to Syria, although whether they have done so yet is something we will have to see.

The following link was posted and discussed previously in this thread: Chief of the Main Operational Directorate of the Russian General Staff Colonel General Sergei Rudskoy holds briefing for mass media : Ministry of Defence of the Russian Federation
It is to be stressed that several years ago given the strong request by our western partners, Russia opted out of supplying the S-300 AD systems to Syria. Taking into account the recent incident, Russia believes it possible to reconsider this issue not only regarding Syria but other countries as well.
 
Jihadists given 48 hours to surrender enclave near Damascus - report
Update on Yarmouk. IS have beeen given 48 hours to relocate, or the assault goes in. I'm not sure where they're supposed to relocate though? Idlib? The area in the south east, west of the Euphrates IS still control? The area east of the Euphrates?
Islamic State militants have been given 48 hours to agree to withdraw from an enclave they control south of Damascus, the pro-Syrian government newspaper al-Watan reported on Thursday.

“If they refuse, the army and supporting forces are ready to launch a military operation to end the presence of the organisation in the area,” it said.

The jihadist-controlled enclave is centred around the Palestinian Yarmouk camp and the al-Hajar al-Aswad area south of Damascus. The area is much smaller than the eastern Ghouta region where the Syrian government recently defeated insurgents.

A commander in the regional military alliance that backs the Syrian government said the Syrian army had begun shelling the jihadist enclave on Tuesday in preparation for an assault.
E2A: Hundreds of refugees return to Syria from Lebanon
One of the first 'repatriations' of Syrian refugees from Lebanon. They're leaving the UN Camp to go to Beit Jinn, recaptured in December:
Nearly 500 people, including children and the elderly, left the Shebaa area in southeast Lebanon in 15 buses for the Beit Jinn district in Syria, southwest of Damascus, which was recaptured from rebels by pro-government forces in December.

The buses reached the Lebanese border on Wednesday afternoon before crossing into Syria.

“We had no news about our hometown. My family and I are happy to be going back,” said Younes Othman, 31, who was a farmer in Syria and is returning after four years in Lebanon.
UNHCR say they're not involved in the relocation and that it was organised by Lebanese authorities. Lebanon is currently hosting reportedly over a million Syrian refugees:
The convoy was organised by the Lebanese authorities, Lebanon’s state news agency NNA reported. The U.N. refugee agency UNHCR, in a statement, said it was not involved in organising “these returns or other returns at this point, considering the prevailing humanitarian and security situation in Syria”.

More than half of Syria’s pre-war population have fled their homes since the outbreak of war in 2011, including more than a million who sought refuge in tiny Lebanon, where they now make up more than a quarter of the population.

Some leading Lebanese politicians, including President Michel Aoun, have called for Syrian refugees to return to calmer parts of Syria, but the United Nations says they should not be forced to go back.
 
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Top Russian, NATO generals to discuss Syria, Europe in Baku - TASS
As TASS are reporting it as Syria and 'expected to touch on NATO and Russian military activity in Europe' I've posted it here:
Valery Gerasimov, the head of Russia’s military general staff, and NATO Supreme Allied Commander Curtis Scaparrotti will meet on Thursday in Azerbaijan to discuss Syria, the TASS news agency reported, citing the Russian defence ministry.

Gerasimov has arrived in Baku ahead of talks that are also expected to touch on NATO and Russian military activity in Europe, TASS said.
 
We all need to be concerned at what's playing out here.

Testimony here matches what Robert Fisk reported:


The OPCW will only be reporting within it's purview and not forensically analysing when any agent was utilised or by whom.

If it's confirmed that there was chlorine (as is suspected) used in Douma will they be able to tell if it was used on the 7th April at stupid o'clock in the morning or just that there is currently a trace in the area?
 
Despite strikes, Syria's Assad can still wage chemical attacks -...
Some 'anonymous US officials' have mentioned that the strikes have only partially reduced Assad's 'alleged' CW manufacture and storage:
The United States, France and Britain destroyed three targets tied to Syria’s weapons program. The most important of them was the Barzah Research and Development Center, which U.S. intelligence concluded was involved in the production and testing of chemical and biological warfare technology.

But the U.S. officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said the available intelligence indicated that Assad’s stock of chemicals and precursors was believed to be scattered far beyond the three targets.
Allegations of stocks in schools and apartment buildings:
Some of it, U.S. and allied intelligence suggests, is stored in schools and civilian apartment buildings, which one of the officials referred to as “human shields.”

U.S. Defense Secretary Jim Mattis, in remarks to Congress a day before the strikes, acknowledged that one of his top priorities in crafting the operation would be to minimize the loss of life to civilians.
Assessment is that whilst his (alleged) capability has been reduced, his programme is 'about as good as it needs to be for Assad’s purposes,':
U.S. officials said the assessment was that the strikes, particularly on Barzah, did degrade Syria’s chemical weapons capability.

But the assessment also indicated that a large quantity of the chemical weapons was stored elsewhere and that Syria’s chemical weapons programme, while crude, “is about as good as it needs to be for Assad’s purposes,” another official said.

For example, chlorine, which the United States assesses was used in the April 7 attack, is a common industrial chemical that is not difficult to find or weaponise, experts say.

That makes crippling a chlorine capability through military strikes far more difficult than, say, more sophisticated chemical or biological warfare agents.
 
China's Xi urges 'objective' probe into suspected Syria chemical...
Interesting. Perhaps instead of abstaining, China could join in and vote for the reimplementation of the JIM?
Chinese President Xi Jinping told British Prime Minister Theresa in a telephone call on Thursday that there needs to be a comprehensive, just and objective probe into a suspected chemical weapons attack in Syria, state television reported.
That's going before the UN today I believe. Not seen anything on Reuters, but the Global Times mentions it
 
Despite strikes, Syria's Assad can still wage chemical attacks -...
Some 'anonymous US officials' have mentioned that the strikes have only partially reduced Assad's 'alleged' CW manufacture and storage:

Allegations of stocks in schools and apartment buildings:

Assessment is that whilst his (alleged) capability has been reduced, his programme is 'about as good as it needs to be for Assad’s purposes,':
How predictable.
The next time a jihadi unit is having grief or in need of a good 'deception' saying that' Assad can still produce/use CW' means that the topic can still be used as a deception to get the new improved 'coalition of the willing' mobilising for more fast-air action.

This isn't over yet.
Even though Assad has apparently 'won' there's still lots of mileage left in the game.
Trump's Syria 'action' is a triumph for Assad
The airstrikes after Douma will make no difference – Assad and his Russian backers have already won the war

The Russians have really been restrained in their reactions to the US/UK/frog actions which has to be a relief for everyone.
When it kicks off properly it'll change everything.
It's completely out of Assad's hands what the western jihadis do in the future when they want to pull the same stunt that everyone that matter appears to believe.

The evil dictator out for a spin around Damascus last month:
Funny his CP at loc is using an M4 with EOTECH.

 
We all need to be concerned at what's playing out here.

Testimony here matches what Robert Fisk reported:


The OPCW will only be reporting within it's purview and not forensically analysing when any agent was utilised or by whom.

If it's confirmed that there was chlorine (as is suspected) used in Douma will they be able to tell if it was used on the 7th April at stupid o'clock in the morning or just that there is currently a trace in the area?
Aren’t you surprised they’re not on site yet despite reporters etc traipsing around?

How predictable.
The next time a jihadi unit is having grief or in need of a good 'deception' saying that' Assad can still produce/use CW' means that the topic can still be used as a deception to get the new improved 'coalition of the willing' mobilising for more fast-air action.

This isn't over yet.
Even though Assad has apparently 'won' there's still lots of mileage left in the game.
Trump's Syria 'action' is a triumph for Assad
The airstrikes after Douma will make no difference – Assad and his Russian backers have already won the war

The Russians have really been restrained in their reactions to the US/UK/frog actions which has to be a relief for everyone.
When it kicks off properly it'll change everything.
It's completely out of Assad's hands what the western jihadis do in the future when they want to pull the same stunt that everyone that matter appears to believe.

The evil dictator out for a spin around Damascus last month:
Funny his CP at loc is using an M4 with EOTECH.

Nobody is saying Assad isn’t ‘winning’ and the strikes would surely have had no impact on his ‘winning’ his 7 year civil war as it targeted stuff he (allegedly) hasn’t got
 
Popped in to see if the Russian Trolls are still at it - nice to see you're still employed - hi 118 and KGB.
 
Assad steps up efforts to crush last besieged enclaves
Looks like he's taking the smaller pockets near Damascus, at KP's etc. before moving on to the larger areas. The question is whether he goes south or north yet. I expect south as he can relocate everybody into Idlib and let them fight amongst themselves within the Turkish outposts. It then remains to be seen whether he goes Idlib or Afrin/al-Bab or east of the Euphrates:
Dumayr:
State television showed live footage of buses entering the town of Dumayr, northeast of Damascus, to bring out fighters and their families, while soldiers stood by the roadside.

Twenty buses would be used to transfer about 5,000 people, including 1,500 rebels, to north Syria after they surrendered their heavy weapons, Syrian state TV said.

Dumayr has been covered by an informal ceasefire for years, but its recovery is important for the government because it makes it possible to guarantee the safety of vehicles travelling on the Damascus-Baghdad highway.

Said Saif, a senior official with one of the rebel groups in the area, said his group had no choice but to go along with a Russian-backed deal to leave the town, because there were no other outside forces that could guarantee their safety.

“We hope the Russians keep their promises, even though we have no trust in them,” he said.
Acording the AJ and south front they're leaving:
Syria: Rebels in Dumayr agree to leave after Ghouta devastation
Militants Start Withdrawing From Dumayr Town Towards Jarabulus

E Qalamoun:
In the nearby enclave of Eastern Qalamoun, which consists of several towns and an area of hills and has also been covered by an informal ceasefire, rebels said they were also negotiating a withdrawal deal with Russia.

The army has put military pressure on rebels in Eastern Qalamoun to start negotiations to withdraw, the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights war monitoring group said.
al-Ruhayba:
A military news service run by the government’s Lebanese ally Hezbollah reported on Thursday that the army had moved into positions inside the enclave to entirely encircle one of its towns, al-Ruhayba.
Plus (unsourced): #tiger_forces hashtag on Twitter

Rastan:
The Observatory said there were also talks under way between Russia and rebels over the fate of an enclave in central Syria around the town of Rastan.
Yarmouk as mentioned before:
Separately, the pro-government al-Watan newspaper reported on Thursday that Islamic State militants had been given 48 hours to agree to withdraw from an enclave centred around the Yarmouk camp for Palestinian refugee south of Damascus.

“If they refuse, the army and supporting forces are ready to launch a military operation to end the presence of the organisation in the area,” al-Watan said.
I meant to say on the other thread, but Iraq has been talking about the degradation of IS in Syria. SAA militias helped them around the western part of the Euphrates last year:
Islamic State lost most of its territory last year, but it still holds small areas of desert in eastern Syria on either side of the Euphrates river. On Thursday neighbouring Iraq carried out air strikes against the jihadist group in Syria in coordination with Damascus, the Iraqi military said.
E2A: Iraq carries out air strikes on Islamic State in Syria
More on the Iraqi strikes on IS in Syria:
“Carrying out air strikes on Daesh gangs in Syrian territories is because of the dangers posed by said gangs to Iraqi territories and is proof of the improved capabilities of our armed forces,” the Iraqi military said in a statement.

Earlier this month, Abadi had said Iraq would “take all necessary measures if they threaten the security of Iraq”, referring to the jihadist militants who just three years ago overran a third of Iraq.
 
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The Russians did say earlier that they were considering supplying S-300 missiles to one or more unnamed countries. It is entirely plausible that they will supply these to Syria, although whether they have done so yet is something we will have to see.

The following link was posted and discussed previously in this thread: Chief of the Main Operational Directorate of the Russian General Staff Colonel General Sergei Rudskoy holds briefing for mass media : Ministry of Defence of the Russian Federation
I have been wondering whether what might have happened is: a US/UK/Fr attack with some, small, loss of missiles to the most modern SAA SAM systems. At the same time, the older SAA were fired unguided for reasons of morale (akin to heavy AA directed at Zeppelins which the guns could not reach). This because the Syrians and Russians accepted that most Syrian SAM couldn't achieve much and didn't want the escalation of Ru SAM being used. IF S-300 are now being supplied to Syria, it may be to ensure that a future US or Israeli attack can be deterred (unlikely) or at least come at some cost of resources. It may also be why RuAF bases are, apparently, being better defended: it might have been thought that, while the RuAF could knock down some incoming missiles, the base itself was inadequately defended. All waffle and speculation oc but I don't think a future attack will be as easy as the last.
 
Aren’t you surprised they’re not on site yet despite reporters etc traipsing around?


Nobody is saying Assad isn’t ‘winning’ and the strikes would surely have had no impact on his ‘winning’ his 7 year civil war as it targeted stuff he (allegedly) hasn’t got
There have been a few funny 'gangsta' videos of Assad's car journey. Funny as they were, being able to drive around one's own capital is a damning measure of success.
 
I have been wondering whether what might have happened is: a US/UK/Fr attack with some, small, loss of missiles to the most modern SAA SAM systems. At the same time, the older SAA were fired unguided for reasons of morale (akin to heavy AA directed at Zeppelins which the guns could not reach). This because the Syrians and Russians accepted that most Syrian SAM couldn't achieve much and didn't want the escalation of Ru SAM being used. IF S-300 are now being supplied to Syria, it may be to ensure that a future US or Israeli attack can be deterred (unlikely) or at least come at some cost of resources. It may also be why RuAF bases are, apparently, being better defended: it might have been thought that, while the RuAF could knock down some incoming missiles, the base itself was inadequately defended. All waffle and speculation oc but I don't think a future attack will be as easy as the last.
I’d personally wait to see the ‘exhibits’ particularly if somebody manages to lift them onto a table :)

S-300, Russia gives SAM’s to Assad’s govt. seems the Israeli’s are (allegedly) penetrating S-400......

There have been a few funny 'gangsta' videos of Assad's car journey. Funny as they were, being able to drive around one's own capital is a damning measure of success.
Indeed. It’s like the new posters of him stuck up over the rubble :)
 
I’d personally wait to see the ‘exhibits’ particularly if somebody manages to lift them onto a table :)

S-300, Russia gives SAM’s to Assad’s govt. seems the Israeli’s are (allegedly) penetrating S-400......


Indeed. It’s like the new posters of him stuck up over the rubble :)
Berlin bleibt Deutsch!!!

(oddly appropriate given tomorrow's date)
 
There have been a few funny 'gangsta' videos of Assad's car journey. Funny as they were, being able to drive around one's own capital is a damning measure of success.
If these were based on the same video that was posted here some time earlier, the point was that he was driving himself (I think it was a Honda Accord or something like that) into eastern Ghouta, which had been under the control of the rebels for years. Go back in this thread a ways and you will see videos where the army was having difficulty pushing tanks into the area. That is a huge difference and shows the turn around in the government's fortunes since then.
 
If these were based on the same video that was posted here some time earlier, the point was that he was driving himself (I think it was a Honda Accord or something like that) into eastern Ghouta, which had been under the control of the rebels for years. Go back in this thread a ways and you will see videos where the army was having difficulty pushing tanks into the area. That is a huge difference and shows the turn around in the government's fortunes since then.
A fair point.
He has come back from what seemed the edge of defeat.
 

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