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Syrian government alligned forces believed to have entered Kurdish held Afrin to assist the Kurds defence against the Turkish military offensive are said to have been shelled by Turkish artillery.
Syrian pro-government forces enter Afrin
Syria has more twists and turns than a go cart track.
 
Syrian government alligned forces believed to have entered Kurdish held Afrin to assist the Kurds defence against the Turkish military offensive are said to have been shelled by Turkish artillery.
Syrian pro-government forces enter Afrin
Syria has more twists and turns than a go cart track.
Let's see, the Syrian government have allied themselves with the Kurds to resist the incursion by the Turks, who are the allies of the US.

The US, who want to overthrow the Syrian government, have allied themselves with the Kurds to evict IS and then hold the resulting territory to prevent the Syrian government from returning to it.

The Turks who are allies of the US are invading Syria to fight the allies of the US, the Kurds.

IS, who are the only ones all the other sides seem to be able to agree on being an enemy (although the Turks don't seem to be too concerned about them) seem to barely rate a mention in the news these days when it comes to discussing who is shooting at whom.

It's all very simple - it's a typical Middle Eastern war where everyone is fighting everyone with no obvious end in sight.
 
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...a-death-toll-highest-since-2013-idUSKCN1G40N8
Obviously allegations and counter allegations. De Mistra believes another Aleppo is in the offing:
U.N. Syria envoy Staffan de Mistura warned on Tuesday that the escalating battle in Ghouta could turn into a repeat of the bloody fight for Aleppo, over which Damascus regained full control in late 2016 after years of fighting.
Security Council Unanimously Adopts Resolution 2254 (2015), Endorsing Road Map for Peace Process in Syria, Setting Timetable for Talks | Meetings Coverage and Press Releases
Security Council Unanimously Adopts Resolution 2254 (2015), Endorsing Road Map for Peace Process in Syria, Setting Timetable for Talks
Those halcyon days when the UN unanimously voted for a transition government. To stop attacks on civilians esp women and children, to allow humanitarian aid and allow the return of refugees:
“12. Calls on the parties to immediately allow humanitarian agencies rapid, safe and unhindered access throughout Syria by most direct routes, allow immediate, humanitarian assistance to reach all people in need, in particular in all besieged and hard-to-reach areas, release any arbitrarily detained persons, particularly women and children, calls on ISSG states to use their influence immediately to these ends, and demands the full implementation of resolutions 2139 (2014), 2165 (2014), 2191 (2014) and any other applicable resolutions;

“13. Demands that all parties immediately cease any attacks against civilians and civilian objects as such, including attacks against medical facilities and personnel, and any indiscriminate use of weapons, including through shelling and aerial bombardment, welcomes the commitment by the ISSG to press the parties in this regard, and further demands that all parties immediately comply with their obligations under international law, including international humanitarian law and international human rights law as applicable;

“14. Underscores the critical need to build conditions for the safe and voluntary return of refugees and internally displaced persons to their home areas and the rehabilitation of affected areas, in accordance with international law, including applicable provisions of the Convention and Protocol Relating to the Status of Refugees, and taking into account the interests of those countries hosting refugees, urges Member States to provide assistance in this regard, looks forward to the London Conference on Syria in February 2016, hosted by the United Kingdom, Germany, Kuwait, Norway and the United Nations, as an important contribution to this endeavour, and further expresses its support to the post-conflict reconstruction and rehabilitation of Syria;
 
It's all very simple - it's a typical Middle Eastern war where everyone is fighting everyone with no obvious end in sight.
You have forgotten to mention Iran, KSA, other 'gulfies', Israel that are trying to play on the Syrian geopolitical chessboard. You don't mention Russia, while namely Moscow and Washington are main players on the chessboard.
It is not purely typical ME war. It is rather new Cold war proxy war.
 
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Lets raise bets. I really want to see some shooten down F-22 and F-35.
Remember Shoot - Shot - Shot
As for F-35 then unlikely Washington would use such a ... remarkable aircraft not to undermine prospects to sell overpriced American garbage to allies and other idiots.
Also unlikely Israel would send its F-35s to Syria's airspace.
As for F-22, then Syria still has 30-40 old Soviet interceptors MiG-25 that fly faster than F-22 and with new long range AA missiles they could in theory down F-22.
I suspect that preparations to such a humiliating operation are ongoing full steam.
As the first step and warning Turkish F-16 could be downed over Syria.
So called invisibility of F-22 is relative. From the ground it is well visible using powerful radars.
 
Remember Shoot - Shot - Shot
As for F-35 then unlikely Washington would use such a ... remarkable aircraft not to undermine prospects to sell overpriced American garbage to allies and other idiots.
Also unlikely Israel would send its F-35s to Syria's airspace.
As for F-22, then Syria still has 30-40 old Soviet interceptors MiG-25 that fly faster than F-22 and with new long range AA missiles they could in theory down F-22.
I suspect that preparations to such a humiliating operation are ongoing full steam.
You really want to start WW3 over Syria? It's just as likely the over hyped Su57 gets shot down and that's your sales in the dirt.

Tell me, once Assad 'wins' what's going to happen to all of those refugees in other countries? Will he invite them back or are they somebody else's problem? What money has he been promised for reconstruction? Where's it coming from? Does Assad have enough troops to cover east of the Euphrates?

E2A:
As the first step and warning Turkish F-16 could be downed over Syria.
Why do that? After the humiliation of your Mercs being defeated, why not go for east of the Euphrates again?
 
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(1)You really want to start WW3 over Syria? (2)It's just as likely the over hyped Su57 gets shot down and that's your sales in the dirt.

(3)Tell me, once Assad 'wins' what's going to happen to all of those refugees in other countries?(4) Will he invite them back or are they somebody else's problem? (5) What money has he been promised for reconstruction? Where's it coming from? (6) Does Assad have enough troops to cover east of the Euphrates?

E2A:
(7) Why do that? After the humiliation of your Mercs being defeated, why not go for east of the Euphrates again?
1) Nobody wants WW3 to happen. Previously Syrian AD shot down Turkish military aircrafts and USAF one over Lebanon. Recently Israeli F16 was downed over Israel. As a result WW3 was not unleashed.
2) It is essentially important to use Russian aircrafts strictly over Syrian airspace. Any attack in this context would be regarded as an aggressive action that would be retaliated. By contrast downing of USAF aircraft over Syria by Syrian AF or AD would be regarded as self defense especially taking into account that previously Syrian war plane was downed by the Americans in aggressive unlawful manner.
3) Most of them apparently prefer to remain in Germany because Frau Merkel proposes good living conditions.
4) Syria is overpopulated (or at least was overpopulated). The refugees are mostly against Assad. So unlikely he would invite them.
5) The reconstruction will be long and difficult process. It requires many years and there are no wealthy sponsors. Though ... who knows. We live is fast changing World. Are you sure that current government in the KSA is absolutely stable and will not be overthrown in the near future? Could the KSA for political reasons (to please Moscow) invest in Syria? It is possible.
6) Best Assad troops are being used in Eastern Ghouta, Idlib, Hama, other pockets of resistance. Step by step the pockets will be eliminated and Assad will have free hands to move its forces to the East part of the country.
7) It was a tactical mistake. I mean the premature operation not coordinated with the top decision makers.
 
1) Nobody wants WW3 to happen. Previously Syrian AD shot down Turkish military aircrafts and USAF one over Lebanon. Recently Israeli F16 was downed over Israel. As a result WW3 was not unleashed.
Sounds like you and your untrained chimp do. You're talking about plans leading up to the direct shootdown (so you think) of a USAF F22 carrying out missions over Syria in accordance with a unanimous UNSC Resolution and the defeat of IS
2) It is essentially important to use Russian aircrafts strictly over Syrian airspace. Any attack in this context would be regarded as an aggressive action that would be retaliated. By contrast downing of USAF aircraft over Syria by Syrian AF or AD would be regarded as self defense especially taking into account that previously Syrian war plane was downed by the Americans in aggressive unlawful manner.
Conveniently forgetting that the Coalition are in control of 25% or so of Syria unlike the lies from the Politburo (by any other name) that Assad's forces control 90% of Syria. Self defence would again allow the Russian Mercs to be attacked which then means direct engagement of USAF assets by RuAF assets.
3) Most of them apparently prefer to remain in Germany because Frau Merkel proposes good living conditions.
There are millions left in Turkey, Lebannon and Jordan. Can they not return to their homes when Assad 'wins'?
4) Syria is overpopulated (or at least was overpopulated). The refugees are mostly against Assad. So unlikely he would invite them.
Of course not, somebody elses problem. Remind us how much aid Russia is giving to help house the refugees?
5) The reconstruction will be long and difficult process. It requires many years and there are no wealthy sponsors. Though ... who knows. We live is fast changing World. Are you sure that current government in the KSA is absolutely stable and will not be overthrown in the near future? Could the KSA for political reasons (to please Moscow) invest in Syria? It is possible.
KSA is probably as stable as Putin. You're talking decades. Meanwhile, the resent against Assad and his 'allies' continues to grow.
6) Best Assad troops are being used in Eastern Ghouta, Idlib, Hama, other pockets of resistance. Step by step the pockets will be eliminated and Assad will have free hands to move its forces to the East part of the country.
Undoubtedly in time. Furthering the resentment and leading again to the rise of IS. I assume Russia is again ignoring another unanimous UNSC Resolution?
7) It was a tactical mistake. I mean the premature operation not coordinated with the top decision makers.
Of course. Next time the Su57's will be flying CAP. Nothing like exacerbating a situation is there :rolleyes: Maybe you should come to an internationally recognised (and enforced) deal with the SDF?
 

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You really want to start WW3 over Syria?
Why not? This place is not worse that any other. But in fact, I very doubt that Yanks will start WW3 because of some shot down jets. Recall Korean and Vietnam war.

It's just as likely the over hyped Su57 gets shot down and that's your sales in the dirt.
How much money dо you want to bet?

Tell me, once Assad 'wins' what's going to happen to all of those refugees in other countries?
They will live there until situation in Syria will not became better than in UK. Or until situation in UK will not became worse than in Syria. I'm, for one, waiting for latter scenario.
What money has he been promised for reconstruction?
Hid own, of course. May be Chines or Europeans.

Where's it coming from? Does Assad have enough troops to cover east of the Euphrates?
Sure. Sure not. One soldier can "cover" only land under his own body. Can he control people living here? Sure yes, right after smashing all opposition.
Why do that? After the humiliation of your Mercs being defeated, why not go for east of the Euphrates again?
There will be no Yanks in Syria. So, we are going to defeat them.
 
Why not? This place is not worse that any other. But in fact, I very doubt that Yanks will start WW3 because of some shot down jets. Recall Korean and Vietnam war.


How much money dо you want to bet?


They will live there until situation in Syria will not became better than in UK. Or until situation in UK will not became worse than in Syria. I'm, for one, waiting for latter scenario.

Hid own, of course. May be Chines or Europeans.


Sure. Sure not. One soldier can "cover" only land under his own body. Can he control people living here? Sure yes, right after smashing all opposition.

There will be no Yanks in Syria. So, we are going to defeat them.
https://www.arrse.co.uk/community/t...-russian-apologist-thread.247830/post-8433879
 
(...) 5) The reconstruction will be long and difficult process. It requires many years and there are no wealthy sponsors. Though ... who knows. We live is fast changing World. Are you sure that current government in the KSA is absolutely stable and will not be overthrown in the near future? Could the KSA for political reasons (to please Moscow) invest in Syria? It is possible. (...)
There were previous reports that Chinese companies were interested in investing in post-war Syria, using loans backed by the Chinese government.

With respect to Saudi Arabia, they are finding money to be tight when it comes to fulfilling their own needs. Their ability to provide substantial amounts of financial aid to Syria may be limited for some time to come. Yemen is also in very bad shape and in need of extensive reconstruction aid. Saudi Arabia is more directly involved there and may find that country higher on its priority list regardless of the future political situation in Syria.

The world outside of Syria has changed during the time the war has gone on, and in general has much less interest in or patience with whatever goes on in the Middle East provided oil supplies are secured.
 
More bombs fall on Syria's eastern Ghouta ahead of U.N. vote
Another ceasefire is being proposed. This time by Sweden and Kuwait. Undoubtedly, even if it is approved; it will fail like all previous ones. Somebody will say somebody else stepped on the cracks in the pavement. Somebody will say it was the wrong cracks. Seven years on ..................
The U.N. envoy for Syria has pleaded for a truce to halt one of the worst air assaults of the seven-year war and prevent a “massacre”. Staffan de Mistura renewed his call on Friday to stop both the “horrific” bombing of besieged eastern Ghouta and indiscriminate mortar shelling on Damascus.

The U.N. Security Council was considering a resolution, which Kuwait and Sweden drafted, demanding “a cessation of hostilities throughout Syria for all military operations” for 30 days to allow aid deliveries and medical evacuations.

The vote is set to take place on Friday. The resolution does not cover the groups Islamic State, al Qaeda and the Nusra Front, which Moscow and Damascus say they have targeted in eastern Ghouta.

Several previous ceasefire attempts in Syria have quickly unraveled throughout the multi-sided conflict, which has killed hundreds of thousands and displaced 11 million people.
Russia says ready to vote for U.N. draft resolution on Syria: agencies
Talking of cracks:
Russia is ready to vote for a U.N. Security Council draft resolution on a ceasefire in Syria, local news agencies cited Foreign Minister Lavrov as saying on Friday.

Lavrov also said, according to Interfax news agency, that the United States and its allies had refused to amend the resolution to include guarantees that the militants would honor the ceasefire.
E2A: Some more cracks: Russia, Iran should stop Syrian government violations, Turkey says
Turkey’s Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu said on Friday that Syrian government air strikes in eastern Ghouta were unacceptable, and called on Russia and Iran to put pressure on Damascus authorities.

“Russia and Iran need to stop the Syrian government,” Cavusoglu said, adding that an offensive by pro-government forces in the northern Syrian province of Idlib also violated an agreement between Turkey, Iran and Russia.
 
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