Syllabus in the UOTC

#1
Lads,

Got a chap with us who thinks he is all that. Found out he is UOTC in the first year.

So what is the syllabus for UOTC from year one to year three and what qualifications can you get?
 
#2
Wiki is your friend.

[h=3]Year one[/h] Basic military training: This year involves basic military drill, individual skills and fieldcraft in an abbreviated version of the syllabus undertaken by TA recruits. Cadets are introduced to a range of basic military techniques, including map reading, camouflage, first aid, weapons training, radio procedure and fieldcraft. Procedures such as how to establish an overnight patrol base and how to fire & manoeuvre effectively as part of a team are also covered.


from Officers' Training Corps - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Prey tell his 'all that' stories...
 
#3
Year 1 in the OTC basically covers recruit training type stuff, as above. If he's "First Year" he only joined in Sept/Oct - I'd be amazed if he's got much more than 10 days service under his belt.
 
#4
I'm not much more up to date than wiki but as I recall it:

Year 1 MDLP1 which was essentially CMSR(TA) less CBRN

Year 2 MDLP 2 - equivalent to TACC Mod 2 (which is 2 weekend and 9 days for TA OCdts at RTCs)

Year 3 Lording it over the year 1 and 2 students.

Google throws up this:

Training - British Army Website
 
#9
Lads,

Got a chap with us who thinks he is all that. Found out he is UOTC in the first year.

So what is the syllabus for UOTC from year one to year three and what qualifications can you get?
Well, as unlikely as it seems, he is a member of the armed forces, rather than a MoD sponsored youth movement. (Not ACF bashing.. but it is one difference between the cadets and the UOTC).
 
#11
Term 1. Drinking, playing soggy biscuit, cutting about in a uniform that gets thrown in a heap on the floor of his/her miserably damp student digs.
 
#12
Well, as unlikely as it seems, he is a member of the armed forces, rather than a MoD sponsored youth movement. (Not ACF bashing.. but it is one difference between the cadets and the UOTC).
You know the ACF Officers are actual Commissioned (yet also non-deployable) members of the armed forces don't you? And in fact, the non-commissioned are too, really, as they are paid and what not y the Armed Forces...

I mean in effect the OTC is just an MoD sponsored Uni Club full of students who want to pad out their CVs with cheap booze and some pretty good leadership and management training... and the odd bod who will actually get to the end of their time with the OTC and join up.
 
#13
You know the ACF Officers are actual Commissioned (yet also non-deployable) members of the armed forces don't you? And in fact, the non-commissioned are too, really, as they are paid and what not y the Armed Forces...

I mean in effect the OTC is just an MoD sponsored Uni Club full of students who want to pad out their CVs with cheap booze and some pretty good leadership and management training... and the odd bod who will actually get to the end of their time with the OTC and join up.
Very rare apparently see:

Members of CUOTC leave Cambridge to civilian careers (90%) or as high-achieving officers mainly in the Regular Army (8%) but also the TA (2%).

Social - British Army Website
 
#14
Very rare apparently see:

Members of CUOTC leave Cambridge to civilian careers (90%) or as high-achieving officers mainly in the Regular Army (8%) but also the TA (2%).

Social - British Army Website
I'd like to know if those percentages were from all those who joined in their first year of uni, or those that went through all three years. From my OTC (Exeter), about 40% of those who were there in the third year ende up joining.
 
#15
You know the ACF Officers are actual Commissioned (yet also non-deployable) members of the armed forces don't you? And in fact, the non-commissioned are too, really, as they are paid and what not y the Armed Forces...
That must be a wah.

Ps, they aren't non commissioned anything; they're instructors; cadet force adult volunteers. But you knew that ;) and there's nothing wrong with giving up your time to try and do some good for the kids.

I mean in effect the OTC is just an MoD sponsored Uni Club full of students who want to pad out their CVs with cheap booze and some pretty good leadership and management training... and the odd bod who will actually get to the end of their time with the OTC and join up.
True, nothing wrong with that. And as for the odd bod (although it's slightly more than the 'odd bod' in reality), that's where the OTC review comes in! To try and prod people in the "right direction", to gain more end product (TA wise)
 
#16
That must be a wah.

Ps, they aren't non commissioned anything; they're instructors; cadet force adult volunteers. But you knew that ;) and there's nothing wrong with giving up your time to try and do some good for the kids.



True, nothing wrong with that. And as for the odd bod (although it's slightly more than the 'odd bod' in reality), that's where the OTC review comes in! To try and prod people in the "right direction", to gain more end product (TA wise)
If some plank is going to make out the OTC are 'members' of the Armed Forces, just because they are in some Uni Club, then I think I'll stand up for the blokes that they are not 'bashing'...

AIs get JPA numbers and are paid by the Forces. Thus no more, no less of a 'member' than the OTC getting p1ssed every week in the cheap bar and gobbing off about civvies and what not.

And Timble 40% fcuking percent of hte 3rd year is still pretty abysmal. A huge waist of money in my eyes, full of contradictions. But that is my opinion.
 
#18
If some plank is going to make out the OTC are 'members' of the Armed Forces, just because they are in some Uni Club, then I think I'll stand up for the blokes that they are not 'bashing'...

AIs get JPA numbers and are paid by the Forces. Thus no more, no less of a 'member' than the OTC getting p1ssed every week in the cheap bar and gobbing off about civvies and what not.

And Timble 40% fcuking percent of hte 3rd year is still pretty abysmal. A huge waist of money in my eyes, full of contradictions. But that is my opinion.
Jesus, I'll bite.

Regardless of your thoughts, they are infact members of the Armed Forces. You could perhaps familiarise yourself with the AFE7475 or whatever the hell it is called; ie the notice paper which lays out the relevant TACOs for the types of TA Groups.

AIs have a C before their number; to denote civilian. If a member of the UOTC were to given a MOD90 for some bizarre reason it would be exactly the same as the ones held by members of the Regular and TA Army proper. Whereas an AIs one has the initials CFAV on it; ie Cadet Force Adult Volunteer.

This topic has been done to death! To reiterate; whether you like it or not; members of the UOTC are members of the Territorial Army; group B. They have a (very limited) call out liability, Adult Instructors of the ACF are not members of the Army; they are adult volunteers. This does not mean members of the UOTC are super soldiers; far from it, it's just the facts.

Like I've said I have no problems with the ACF, I applaud anyone that is willing to give up their time in return for a few days pay a year and lots of hassle!


And Timble 40% fcuking percent of hte 3rd year is still pretty abysmal
Circa 40% of RMAS CCs each year are made up of UOTC, 85% (approx) of TACC each year are UOTC. Should these be higher? Moves are afoot to see if outputs can be increased; hence North West Officers Training Regiment & Yorkshire Officers Training Regiment being formed to carry out the trial, with RMAS providing the syllabus (ie MOD1 & 2 instead of MLDP 1 & 2)


The ACF could probably benefit from the UOTC a bit more in terms of attracting those across that finish uni and don't want to commit to a military career, I can only think of one or two (albeit 1 was CCF) people that joined the ACF as adults after leaving the UOTC, which is a shame really; although you may think differently!
 
#19
Jesus, I'll bite.

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AIs have a C before their number; to denote civilian. If a member of the UOTC were to given a MOD90 for some bizarre reason it would be exactly the same as the ones held by members of the Regular and TA Army proper. Whereas an AIs one has the initials CFAV on it; ie Cadet Force Adult Volunteer.
Actually AIs have full regi numbers starting with 3 as of the advent of JPA. Muppet.

There is no 'bizarre reason' for UOTC to be given the same MOD 90 as a proper soldier... they are classed as the same.
 
#20
Actually AIs have full regi numbers starting with 3 as of the advent of JPA. Muppet.

There is no 'bizarre reason' for UOTC to be given the same MOD 90 as a proper soldier... they are classed as the same.
ahem yeah actually I should have known that.

Re; MOD90; I mean as in on the odd occasions UOTC are issued with a MOD90 (ie overseas ex with regular unit; they're not entitled to hold one normally.) it's the same, not "for some bizarre reason it's the same".
 

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