Swiss Poll

#1
The people of Switzerland are today voting in a referendum which may allow them to deport foreigners convicted of crimes in their country (no link sorry, but it was on BBC World News). Doubtless, some will accuse the Swiss of just being nasty little racists, but the belief is that too much crime in their country is committed by foreigners and they intend to do something about it.

We in the Uk couldn't realistically attempt to do this. The EU wouldn't let us throw out EU citizens and as we have seen so often, the European Convention on Human Rights ties our hands even when we do want to get rid of criminals.

So do the EU and human rights laws really give us freedom?
 
#3
Many of the Boys from Brussels are gravy-train bureaucrats, but I'd still sooner have them running the country than either the present mob or their predecessors. Which says more about our politicians than it does about the EU.

And as for the Swiss referendum --- that's pure grandstanding by a party that combines the silliest elements of UKIP and the BNP, while maintaining a veneer of respectability and, sadly, hoodwinking a lot of quite decent people into voting for it and its initiatives.
It has always been possible to sling out non-Swiss who committed serious offences. The UDC (led by a guy called Christoph Blocher -- think Norman Tebbit, Jean-Marie Le Pen and Enoch Powell combined) is trying to get this extended to a whole host of minor offences.
If the initiative is approved, the resulting legislation will have no impact on crime rates, but the mere fact that the UDC has put it forward allows them to position themselves as champions of law, order and Swissness.

The worst crimes in Switzerland are perpetrated by the moneyed end of his support base, the captains of industry and bankers who dodge their taxes and deprive the country of vital revenue, putting up everyone else's taxes in the process.
 
#4
Flaggie said:
Many of the Boys from Brussels are gravy-train bureaucrats, but I'd still sooner have them running the country than either the present mob or their predecessors. Which says more about our politicians than it does about the EU.
Why do you think the EU twats are any better?
Flaggie said:
And as for the Swiss referendum --- that's pure grandstanding by a party that combines the silliest elements of UKIP and the BNP, while maintaining a veneer of respectability and, sadly, hoodwinking a lot of quite decent people into voting for it and its initiatives.
Why is it it that certain parties "hoodwink" people when they get voted into power? Is it such a terrible thing to admit people might actually agree with their view?

Flaggie said:
The worst crimes in Switzerland are perpetrated by the moneyed end of his support base, the captains of industry and bankers who dodge their taxes and deprive the country of vital revenue, putting up everyone else's taxes in the process.
I'm pretty sure the victims of violent crime disagree with you, but I suppose it easy to blame people because they have money.
 

maguire

LE
Book Reviewer
#6
I like mine with custard.

oh, swiss POLL...
 
#8
Many of the Boys from Brussels are gravy-train bureaucrats, but I'd still sooner have them running the country than either the present mob or their predecessors. Which says more about our politicians than it does about the EU.

And as for the Swiss referendum --- that's pure grandstanding by a party that combines the silliest elements of UKIP and the BNP, while maintaining a veneer of respectability and, sadly, hoodwinking a lot of quite decent people into voting for it and its initiatives.
It has always been possible to sling out non-Swiss who committed serious offences. The UDC (led by a guy called Christoph Blocher -- think Norman Tebbit, Jean-Marie Le Pen and Enoch Powell combined) is trying to get this extended to a whole host of minor offences.
If the initiative is approved, the resulting legislation will have no impact on crime rates, but the mere fact that the UDC has put it forward allows them to position themselves as champions of law, order and Swissness.

The worst crimes in Switzerland are perpetrated by the moneyed end of his support base, the captains of industry and bankers who dodge their taxes and deprive the country of vital revenue, putting up everyone else's taxes in the process.
^very good post

funny how it's always the parts of switzerland that has hardly any foreigners that complains about foreigners!
 
#10
SNIPPITY.........Many of the Boys from Brussels are gravy-train bureaucrats, but I'd still sooner have them running the country than either the present mob or their predecessors. Which says more about our politicians than it does about the EU.........SNIP
Your first line rather scares me.

Are you so enamoured of the European dream that you would support foreign policy decided and enacted by an unelected 'High Representative' - currently Catherine Ashton - and the European External Action Service?

Be afraid, because her portfolio includes Security Policy.
 
#11
^very good post

funny how it's always the parts of switzerland that has hardly any foreigners that complains about foreigners!
Proper_Gander lying and playing the race card as usual.
Glarus population for example has over 20% foreign nationals
 
#12
Nine Kantons in 54% in favour.
 
#14
Shame we can't sling people out starting with this one
 

maguire

LE
Book Reviewer
#15
we could do this, if politicians grew a pair and decided the welfare of UK citizens (of ANY colour, sexual preference or religious inclination, before the usual suspects pounce on me) had to come ahead of any passing scumbag who decided to set up shop here.

and yes, I do believe the EHRA is responsible for good things - just as I also believe it's used by a lot of people to mitigate the fact that they like acting like scumbags to people and dont like the consequences once they get pulled for it. 'ooh, you cant deport me back there - I'll be off the benefits gravy train and besides which, someone there once looked at me a bit funny, so I is in fear for me life innit.'
tough sh*t - dont like the consequences, dont act like a c**t.
 
#16
we could do this, if politicians grew a pair and decided the welfare of UK citizens (of ANY colour, sexual preference or religious inclination, before the usual suspects pounce on me) had to come ahead of any passing scumbag who decided to set up shop here.

and yes, I do believe the EHRA is responsible for good things - just as I also believe it's used by a lot of people to mitigate the fact that they like acting like scumbags to people and dont like the consequences once they get pulled for it. 'ooh, you cant deport me back there - I'll be off the benefits gravy train and besides which, someone there once looked at me a bit funny, so I is in fear for me life innit.'
tough sh*t - dont like the consequences, dont act like a c**t.
Saying the EHRA is a good thing and then complaining about foreigners on the benefits gravy train is really fence sitting. Tough law followed by action is required. Anything else will do no good.
 
#17
Why is it racist to chuck out criminals??
 

maguire

LE
Book Reviewer
#18
Saying the EHRA is a good thing and then complaining about foreigners on the benefits gravy train is really fence sitting. Tough law followed by action is required. Anything else will do no good.
you misread my post - I'm talking about foreigners, as the thread is about, who are convicted of crimes within the host country. we have enough risk from home grown loonies and head the balls being let out of prison with little or no supervision to injure or kill people again, why do we need to add to that risk by letting foreign criminals stay?
 
#19
The UDC (led by a guy called Christoph Blocher -- think Norman Tebbit, Jean-Marie Le Pen and Enoch Powell combined)
As you've been posting on this site with a Labour agenda, can you expand on why Norman Tebbit and Enoch Powell offend you so? (So as not to offend the more informed can you also omit ancient Greek quotes taken out of context?)

Edited to add In fact, just to expand, why should you assume that your views of two British politicians should be held by others who may not be of your (Labour) persasion?
 
#20
Many of the Boys from Brussels are gravy-train bureaucrats, but I'd still sooner have them running the country than either the present mob or their predecessors. Which says more about our politicians than it does about the EU.

And as for the Swiss referendum --- that's pure grandstanding by a party that combines the silliest elements of UKIP and the BNP, while maintaining a veneer of respectability and, sadly, hoodwinking a lot of quite decent people into voting for it and its initiatives.
It has always been possible to sling out non-Swiss who committed serious offences. The UDC (led by a guy called Christoph Blocher -- think Norman Tebbit, Jean-Marie Le Pen and Enoch Powell combined) is trying to get this extended to a whole host of minor offences.
If the initiative is approved, the resulting legislation will have no impact on crime rates, but the mere fact that the UDC has put it forward allows them to position themselves as champions of law, order and Swissness.

The worst crimes in Switzerland are perpetrated by the moneyed end of his support base, the captains of industry and bankers who dodge their taxes and deprive the country of vital revenue, putting up everyone else's taxes in the process.
Strange how all the limp wristed posters seem to equate anything that remotely seems an attempt to PROTECT its population from the predation of incomers with facism or worse! The Swiss would appear to be doing what our politicians should do, stop allowing criminals to take advantage of our state. Looking at the figures he seems to have a point :- Showdown between Blocher and Pelli on foreign criminal vote brings no answers - swissinfo "Blocher launched his address with a reminder that foreigners are over-represented among criminals. They make up 54 per cent of those convicted of causing grievous bodily harm and 62 per cent of those found guilty of robbery.This in spite of the fact that non-Swiss only account for 22 per cent of the resident population".
"Flaggie" goes on to cite, amongst others, Enoch Powell as an example of a racist, this would be the same Enoch Powell who gained a double starred first from Cambridge in Latin & Greek? going on to become at the start of WW2, the youngest professor in the Commonwealth, and ending it as the youngest Brigadier in the British army having joined as a private in 1939! His "Rivers of Blood" speach which upsets all of the handwringers, seems to be quite perceptive when you look at the results of the London bombings and the host of other failed or foiled attempted bombings by immigrants or the offspring of immigrants! But no doubt this is all part of the wonderful myth of harmonious "multiculturalism" which our former leaders kept having wet dreams over !!
 

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