Swine Flu Jab - Warning to Gulf Vets (and others)

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I have just received this information from the NGVFA by email:-
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[align=center]Press Release

NGVFA

(NATIONAL GULF VETERANS AND FAMILIES ASSOCIATION)
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Open Rebellion by German General Medical Professionals and Physicians over the N1H1 Vaccine


19th October 2009



German Chancellor and Ministers to get special vaccine without soft-kill ingredients (adjuvant Squalene in MF59 which is known to be the cause of Gulf War Syndrome)

Speigel online, and the German newspaper Bild are reporting that German chancellor Angela Merkel and Government ministers will be receiving a special, adjuvant-free H1N1 vaccine. The vaccine does not contain additives/adjuvants, this is contrary to the rest of the German population who will be getting the vaccine with an adjuvant.

The German Government and ministers and the armed forces will receive CELVAPAN, an adjuvant free vaccine manufactured by Baxter. The German public will receive the vaccine produced by Glaxo Smith Klein (GSK) with adjuvant. The British public will also recieve the same Glaxo Smith Klein vaccine with Adjuvant. Employees of the Ehrlich German Institute will also get the adjuvant free vaccine. Johannes Lower President of the institute said the GSK vaccine causes worst side effects then the virus after Germen lung specialist Wolfgang Wodarg said the vaccine increases the risk of cancer and the nutrient solution consists of cancerous cells from animals.

Speigel reports that there is an “open rebellion” by general medical professionals and child physicians in Germany over the use of a toxic vaccine.

On July 13th the World Health Organisation ordered the use of the deadly adjuvant in the H1N1 vaccine. WHO’s vaccine advisory panel consists of executives from Baxter, Novartis, GSK, and Sanofi. Baxters own scientists have stated that adjuvants do not improve antibody response.

As Dr. Russell Baylock has warned, the adjuvant Squalene is linked to Gulf War Syndrome. Soldiers who were given the anthrax vaccine in the 1990/91 Gulf War have had an increased risk of over 200% in developing deadly diseases, auto-immune diseases, and Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis. The soldiers also suffer from a number of other life shortening diseases such as Polyarteritis Nodosa, Multiple Sclerosis (MS), Lupus, Transverse Myelitis; a neurological disorder caused by inflammation of the spinal chord, Endocarditisis; inflammation of the hearts inner lining, Optic Neuritis with blindness, and Glomerulonephritis; a type of kidney disease, according to Dr. Baylock.

Because Squalene, the main ingredient in MF59, can induce hyper-immune responses and induces auto immunity, a real danger exists for prolonged activation of the brains immune cells. This can cause brain inflammation if it persists for long periods.

NGVFA Comment: Adjuvants were used in the first Gulf war 1990/91 to boost the efficacy of the anthrax and plague vaccines, with the hope to protect troops in the 1990/91 Gulf war. Dr. Nigel Graveston, Chairman of the NGVFA has already advised veterans not to have this vaccine as they are already likely to be pre-disposed to this heightened affects.

If you would like to discuss anything featured in this press release, or you would like more information please call the NGVFA on 0845 257 4853.

Shaun Rusling – NGVFA Trustee
 
#2
Vorschprung durch technik!
 
#3
Oh dear. Much as I sympathise with those suffering from Gulf War illnesses, pretty pathetic stirring up against the swine flu vaccine.

Yes, the GSK variant of the vaccine does contain squalene. But no one has ever come up with evidence that squalene is a problem. The World Health Organisation points out that over 22 million doses of just one type of squalene-using seasonal flu vaccine have been administered safely without serious adverse effects. And that is just one particular vaccine.

Not to mention the squalene found in food and our own livers!

Also, didn't US research a few years ago conclude that actually squalene wasn't used in the Granby vaccines?

As I say - not denying that some Granby veterans are unwell, possibly because of Granby. And they really do have my sympathy. But to tell people not to take a properly tested vaccine for swine flu because of vague, unproven concerns that squalene was to blame is ridiculous. As I understand it, the whole reason that the Dept of Health is giving the MOD early stocks of the vaccine is the threat to life in Afghanistan; not that the swine flu itself is likely to kill (though let us not forget the poor TA chap who did die of it over the summer), but to avoid unnecessary medevacs or having to give up hard-fought gains should a lot of boys and girls go down with the bug in theatre.
 

Alsacien

MIA
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#4
OllieReeder said:
Oh dear. Much as I sympathise with those suffering from Gulf War illnesses, pretty pathetic stirring up against the swine flu vaccine.

Yes, the GSK variant of the vaccine does contain squalene. But no one has ever come up with evidence that squalene is a problem. The World Health Organisation points out that over 22 million doses of just one type of squalene-using seasonal flu vaccine have been administered safely without serious adverse effects. And that is just one particular vaccine.

Not to mention the squalene found in food and our own livers!

Also, didn't US research a few years ago conclude that actually squalene wasn't used in the Granby vaccines?

As I say - not denying that some Granby veterans are unwell, possibly because of Granby. And they really do have my sympathy. But to tell people not to take a properly tested vaccine for swine flu because of vague, unproven concerns that squalene was to blame is ridiculous. As I understand it, the whole reason that the Dept of Health is giving the MOD early stocks of the vaccine is the threat to life in Afghanistan; not that the swine flu itself is likely to kill (though let us not forget the poor TA chap who did die of it over the summer), but to avoid unnecessary medevacs or having to give up hard-fought gains should a lot of boys and girls go down with the bug in theatre.
So what is your take on the German head of sheds special treatment?
 
#5
In the USA they don’t even bother to screen and check up on kids anymore as so many of the buggers now have the flu it would bring the medical system to a grinding halt.
 
#6
Alsacien said:
OllieReeder said:
Oh dear. Much as I sympathise with those suffering from Gulf War illnesses, pretty pathetic stirring up against the swine flu vaccine.

Yes, the GSK variant of the vaccine does contain squalene. But no one has ever come up with evidence that squalene is a problem. The World Health Organisation points out that over 22 million doses of just one type of squalene-using seasonal flu vaccine have been administered safely without serious adverse effects. And that is just one particular vaccine.

Not to mention the squalene found in food and our own livers!

Also, didn't US research a few years ago conclude that actually squalene wasn't used in the Granby vaccines?

As I say - not denying that some Granby veterans are unwell, possibly because of Granby. And they really do have my sympathy. But to tell people not to take a properly tested vaccine for swine flu because of vague, unproven concerns that squalene was to blame is ridiculous. As I understand it, the whole reason that the Dept of Health is giving the MOD early stocks of the vaccine is the threat to life in Afghanistan; not that the swine flu itself is likely to kill (though let us not forget the poor TA chap who did die of it over the summer), but to avoid unnecessary medevacs or having to give up hard-fought gains should a lot of boys and girls go down with the bug in theatre.
So what is your take on the German head of sheds special treatment?
That is the key thing and why this has surfaced, if the bog standard vaccine is OK why the special for Ms Merkle, is it because she can or is it because she knows something we don't.
 
#7
Every vaccine that comes out has it's own conspiracy theory from the tin-foil hat brigade - remember all the fuss over the MMR?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MMR_vaccine_controversy

If vaccination for anything was such a bad idea, why does the NHS spend so much making vaccines available? They would spend it on managers instead.
 
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I don't know why the "special treatment" for Mrs Merkel at all, assuming of course that Spiegel is actually correct in its reporting. Which is quite a big assumption. After all, I would not rush to believe something written in The Sun or The Mirror...

My understanding is that there have been doubts expressed as to whether the Baxters vaccine is as effective as the GSK one. Certainly the medical guidance is that you need two doses of the Baxters, whilst most people will only need one of the GSK. So IF the Baxters is being offered to the German forces it hardly smacks of favouritism. It may be as simple as using up the stocks of the second-choice jab on a vaccination group that is more easily organised and administered from a logistics point of view, whilst keeping the single jab GSK for the mass population. There is no paediatric version of the Baxters - not a problem for the Armed Forces. And saves having to explain to Mrs Hausfrau why she needed two jabs whilst her neighbour had a different jab that only needed one dose.

Anyway, that is all assuming that Spiegel is accurate.

As for Old Bloke's comment about "better to risk the swine flu than risk the vaccine" and his nephew's experience: I have some sympathy with that. Personally, I have developed in recent years a chronic condition that puts me in the at-risk group, so I will accept the vaccine when offered. If I was as fit and healthy as I used to be when younger, I would probably not accept the offer.

The key point is the reason that it will be offered to the boys and girls in theatre is not that the illness itself is likely to hurt them, but the additional threats that a bad outbreak could cause as side effects: extra, unnecessary burdens on the medics; potentially avoidable medevacs if someone gets complications; loss of front-line combat capability if people go down by the platoon.
 
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OllieReeder said:
Yes, the GSK variant of the vaccine does contain squalene. But no one has ever come up with evidence that squalene is a problem. The World Health Organisation points out that over 22 million doses of just one type of squalene-using seasonal flu vaccine have been administered safely without serious adverse effects. And that is just one particular vaccine.
Not wishing to argue about the figures or if squalene is truly toxic, but as a point the vaccine has been administered recently. Surely if any (supposed) negative effects of the drug manifest only after a period of time then it is too early to claim that there have been no adverse effects.

I decided not to ask for the vaccine much for the reasons that Old_Bloke states, even in my 50's.
 
#10
As you say, don't want to get into an argument on this, but my understanding is that the seasonal flu vaccine with squalene, called Fluad, which the WHO has studied has been in use since 1997. Granted, that is more recent in time than Granby in 1990-1, but those people who reported illnesses after Granby did so pretty quickly; indeed, by 1997 the issue was in full cry because it was late 1996-7 that Fatty Soames got crucified in Parliament for the handling of Gulf War Syndrome.

So my guess is that 12 years is a fairly reasonable time-frame for problems with squalene in the Fluad to have come to light, were there to be any.

If you are in your 50s and healthy, your decision seems pretty reasonable.
 
#11
It's causing a lot of confusion over here. All they (officialdom), are saying is that both are the same and have no differences. They are not giving any explanations though.

Even the depots are being kept secret - well, according to the news on the radio at 02:00 hrs today.

Personally, I won't bother with it.
 
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maxi_77 said:
Alsacien said:
OllieReeder said:
Oh dear. Much as I sympathise with those suffering from Gulf War illnesses, pretty pathetic stirring up against the swine flu vaccine.

Yes, the GSK variant of the vaccine does contain squalene. But no one has ever come up with evidence that squalene is a problem. The World Health Organisation points out that over 22 million doses of just one type of squalene-using seasonal flu vaccine have been administered safely without serious adverse effects. And that is just one particular vaccine.

Not to mention the squalene found in food and our own livers!

Also, didn't US research a few years ago conclude that actually squalene wasn't used in the Granby vaccines?

As I say - not denying that some Granby veterans are unwell, possibly because of Granby. And they really do have my sympathy. But to tell people not to take a properly tested vaccine for swine flu because of vague, unproven concerns that squalene was to blame is ridiculous. As I understand it, the whole reason that the Dept of Health is giving the MOD early stocks of the vaccine is the threat to life in Afghanistan; not that the swine flu itself is likely to kill (though let us not forget the poor TA chap who did die of it over the summer), but to avoid unnecessary medevacs or having to give up hard-fought gains should a lot of boys and girls go down with the bug in theatre.
So what is your take on the German head of sheds special treatment?
That is the key thing and why this has surfaced, if the bog standard vaccine is OK why the special for Ms Merkle, is it because she can or is it because she knows something we don't.
The official answer to that one is that vaccine was ordered for the Govt and Bundeswehr before the vaccine was ordered for the general population, and there were 2 different suppliers involved. There have been strong denials that this is a 2 class system, however as Shakespeare said "methinks the lady doth protest too much". Smoke/fire?
 
#13
Thank you for the debate on the subject. It would be interesting to have some medical knowledge on this subject posted.
 
#14
Drlligaf said:
maxi_77 said:
Alsacien said:
OllieReeder said:
Oh dear. Much as I sympathise with those suffering from Gulf War illnesses, pretty pathetic stirring up against the swine flu vaccine.

Yes, the GSK variant of the vaccine does contain squalene. But no one has ever come up with evidence that squalene is a problem. The World Health Organisation points out that over 22 million doses of just one type of squalene-using seasonal flu vaccine have been administered safely without serious adverse effects. And that is just one particular vaccine.

Not to mention the squalene found in food and our own livers!

Also, didn't US research a few years ago conclude that actually squalene wasn't used in the Granby vaccines?

As I say - not denying that some Granby veterans are unwell, possibly because of Granby. And they really do have my sympathy. But to tell people not to take a properly tested vaccine for swine flu because of vague, unproven concerns that squalene was to blame is ridiculous. As I understand it, the whole reason that the Dept of Health is giving the MOD early stocks of the vaccine is the threat to life in Afghanistan; not that the swine flu itself is likely to kill (though let us not forget the poor TA chap who did die of it over the summer), but to avoid unnecessary medevacs or having to give up hard-fought gains should a lot of boys and girls go down with the bug in theatre.
So what is your take on the German head of sheds special treatment?
That is the key thing and why this has surfaced, if the bog standard vaccine is OK why the special for Ms Merkle, is it because she can or is it because she knows something we don't.
The official answer to that one is that vaccine was ordered for the Govt and Bundeswehr before the vaccine was ordered for the general population, and there were 2 different suppliers involved. There have been strong denials that this is a 2 class system, however as Shakespeare said "methinks the lady doth protest too much". Smoke/fire?
That of course still begs the question why two orders anyway, and why from different suppliers. Still too many questions I fear.
 
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maxi_77 said:
Drlligaf said:
maxi_77 said:
Alsacien said:
OllieReeder said:
Oh dear. Much as I sympathise with those suffering from Gulf War illnesses, pretty pathetic stirring up against the swine flu vaccine.

Yes, the GSK variant of the vaccine does contain squalene. But no one has ever come up with evidence that squalene is a problem. The World Health Organisation points out that over 22 million doses of just one type of squalene-using seasonal flu vaccine have been administered safely without serious adverse effects. And that is just one particular vaccine.

Not to mention the squalene found in food and our own livers!

Also, didn't US research a few years ago conclude that actually squalene wasn't used in the Granby vaccines?

As I say - not denying that some Granby veterans are unwell, possibly because of Granby. And they really do have my sympathy. But to tell people not to take a properly tested vaccine for swine flu because of vague, unproven concerns that squalene was to blame is ridiculous. As I understand it, the whole reason that the Dept of Health is giving the MOD early stocks of the vaccine is the threat to life in Afghanistan; not that the swine flu itself is likely to kill (though let us not forget the poor TA chap who did die of it over the summer), but to avoid unnecessary medevacs or having to give up hard-fought gains should a lot of boys and girls go down with the bug in theatre.
So what is your take on the German head of sheds special treatment?
That is the key thing and why this has surfaced, if the bog standard vaccine is OK why the special for Ms Merkle, is it because she can or is it because she knows something we don't.
The official answer to that one is that vaccine was ordered for the Govt and Bundeswehr before the vaccine was ordered for the general population, and there were 2 different suppliers involved. There have been strong denials that this is a 2 class system, however as Shakespeare said "methinks the lady doth protest too much". Smoke/fire?
That of course still begs the question why two orders anyway, and why from different suppliers. Still too many questions I fear.
That is what I was on about in my previous post. The German population are confused and there isn't much info coming forward - pretty much like the UK government really! Why keep the depots a secret as well?
 

OldSnowy

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#16
HydraJoe said:
Thank you for the debate on the subject. It would be interesting to have some medical knowledge on this subject posted.
I'd have thought that there's already been a fair bit of this done - by Doctors and Scientists, perhaps? Unless of course it's all part of the cunning Government Plot to turn us all into zombies or something.

How about you take your suspicions and post them on a Medical site? This is an Army Rumour site - the clue is in the title - and I think it's a bit pathetic to come here trying to stir up shite with conspiracy theories masquerading as 'warnings'. If you want to do that, go to the NAAFI and prepare for the incoming abuse.

I'm no lover of injections (as a confirmed wuss) but the debacle over the MMR jab led to thousands of children catching measles who otherwise would not have done so. We don't want the same thing happening this time with flu, surely?
 

Alsacien

MIA
Moderator
#17
Recce19 said:
maxi_77 said:
Drlligaf said:
maxi_77 said:
Alsacien said:
OllieReeder said:
Oh dear. Much as I sympathise with those suffering from Gulf War illnesses, pretty pathetic stirring up against the swine flu vaccine.

Yes, the GSK variant of the vaccine does contain squalene. But no one has ever come up with evidence that squalene is a problem. The World Health Organisation points out that over 22 million doses of just one type of squalene-using seasonal flu vaccine have been administered safely without serious adverse effects. And that is just one particular vaccine.

Not to mention the squalene found in food and our own livers!

Also, didn't US research a few years ago conclude that actually squalene wasn't used in the Granby vaccines?

As I say - not denying that some Granby veterans are unwell, possibly because of Granby. And they really do have my sympathy. But to tell people not to take a properly tested vaccine for swine flu because of vague, unproven concerns that squalene was to blame is ridiculous. As I understand it, the whole reason that the Dept of Health is giving the MOD early stocks of the vaccine is the threat to life in Afghanistan; not that the swine flu itself is likely to kill (though let us not forget the poor TA chap who did die of it over the summer), but to avoid unnecessary medevacs or having to give up hard-fought gains should a lot of boys and girls go down with the bug in theatre.
So what is your take on the German head of sheds special treatment?
That is the key thing and why this has surfaced, if the bog standard vaccine is OK why the special for Ms Merkle, is it because she can or is it because she knows something we don't.
The official answer to that one is that vaccine was ordered for the Govt and Bundeswehr before the vaccine was ordered for the general population, and there were 2 different suppliers involved. There have been strong denials that this is a 2 class system, however as Shakespeare said "methinks the lady doth protest too much". Smoke/fire?
That of course still begs the question why two orders anyway, and why from different suppliers. Still too many questions I fear.
That is what I was on about in my previous post. The German population are confused and there isn't much info coming forward - pretty much like the UK government really! Why keep the depots a secret as well?
Having done Granby and had more pricks in 3-6 months than Jarrod has had in his entire sexual career its a no-brainer for me - if its optional, I ain't having it.
 
#18
HydraJoe said:
Thank you for the debate on the subject. It would be interesting to have some medical knowledge on this subject posted.
Well, I trained as a nurse & worked for 20+ years for the NHS, I have some understanding of the testing these vaccines undergo, the risk/benefit analysis that goes into the decision making, and the potential for public health if a vaccine programme does not have an adequate take-up.

I say if you are offered it, have it. I'd me more concerned if someone said I was not important enough to have it.
 
#19
The Depots are at St Mary's and Bluewater... or am I getting confused with V for Vendetta?
 
#20
Hmm. Having spoken to a few medical types today seems to be a good number amongst their ranks who are of the "no way" view when it comes to having the Swine Flu jab, especially the "stretched" version which is packed with Adjuvents.

I had not known why some people are concerned about the use of Adujvents in vaccines. Think I do now.

Nobody appears to know if Adjuvents are a problem but not encouraged to learn that nobody seems to know exactly how they work either. They just do and that was found out by accident because when vaccines were first being mass produced their efficiency varied from batch to batch.

Researchers thought this was down to minor contamination in the process and they were right. But it turned out to be that the "cleaner" batches were the the less effective.

So the Adjuvents are there to produce an immune response which give the whole process a kick but can, it is claimed, cause unwanted effects in the process

Some of the tin foil claims are bonkers but some of the better considered work on this simply cannot be discounted so easily. Yet nobody wants to talk about it (for example, the links between the increased vaccination of children and huge rise in Autism) because the limited number of bad outcomes is considered to be the far lesser evil.

So yesterday I would have had the Swine Flu jab. Today very far from sure.
 
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