Sweden closer to NATO

Will Sweden become a NATO member before 2016?


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#2
They do a bit of UN stuff, but they'll never do NATO as there's no need or threat to them. Shame really, great bunch of blokes and as for their nurses, hubba hubba!
 
#3
I very much doubt it. They are one of the 3 parasitic states [the others being Ireland and Switzerland] who happily live under NATO's umbrella under the guise of neutrality.
 
#4
Why would a Wiltshire town become part of NATO? ........ oh wait, you said Sweden, sorry.
 
#5
Barrack Room Lawyer said:
Why would a Wiltshire town become part of NATO? ........ oh wait, you said Sweden, sorry.
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#6
They managed to stay neutral during World War Two and were left alone. What benefit is in joining NATO, and destroying their neutrality (expending more money on their armed forces for little advantage)?

Never happen.
 
#7
exile1 said:
I very much doubt it. They are one of the 3 parasitic states [the others being Ireland and Switzerland] who happily live under NATO's umbrella under the guise of neutrality.
Bit harsh, I'm sure that the Swiss were there before NATO was and I'm sure they couldn't really have much say in what defence organisations the countries around them join.

As for the Swedes, how are they under NATOs umbrella? You do realise that to one side of them is Finland, not a NATO member state, then Russia. I don't see how there is a ring of NATO member states around Sweden protecting her from whatever may come; and you could argue that with recent trends of international terrorism it wouldn't even matter to the most likely threats if they were surrounded by NATO armies or not.
 
#8
exile1 said:
I very much doubt it. They are one of the 3 parasitic states [the others being Ireland and Switzerland] who happily live under NATO's umbrella under the guise of neutrality.
I beg to differ on the subject of Switzerland. Even Adolf had second thoughts about marching in there, largely because his Generals said no chance, too costly. I think that had Ivan attempted to go where Adolf feared to tread, then the bear would have come out minus his fur coat.
 
#9
Having been neutral for 200 years,they are hardly to change now.Sweden does operate with the EU and UN military operations and exercises with neighbours and sends their jets on exercises in Britain and the USA among others.

Their military has been cut back heavily over recent years.They will be down to 2 fast jet bases before long from just under 20 at the height of the cold war.
 
#11
Le_addeur_noir said:
Having been neutral for 200 years,they are hardly to change now.Sweden does operate with the EU and UN military operations and exercises with neighbours and sends their jets on exercises in Britain and the USA among others.

Their military has been cut back heavily over recent years.They will be down to 2 fast jet bases before long from just under 20 at the height of the cold war.
Neutral-ish. There's a few Norwegians with long memories who would question Sweden's neutrality during WWII. Exporting iron ore from Kiruna through Narvik to Nazi Germany doesn't sound very neutral to me either.
 
#12
hackle said:
Two Swedish soldiers were killed in Afghanistan on Sunday, if that's any good to you.
Thanks for that Hackle, beat me to it.
 
#13
mistersoft said:
Le_addeur_noir said:
Having been neutral for 200 years,they are hardly to change now.Sweden does operate with the EU and UN military operations and exercises with neighbours and sends their jets on exercises in Britain and the USA among others.

Their military has been cut back heavily over recent years.They will be down to 2 fast jet bases before long from just under 20 at the height of the cold war.
Neutral-ish. There's a few Norwegians with long memories who would question Sweden's neutrality during WWII. Exporting iron ore from Kiruna through Narvik to Nazi Germany doesn't sound very neutral to me either.
Their neutrality was demonstrated by the fact they would sell 'ore to anyone.
 

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#14
There's over 400 Swedish Servicemen - and women.... serving in Afghanistan, under the command of ISAF - which is a NATO Command. so, for all intents and purposes, they are working within NATO already. They have a PRT in the North, at MAzar-e-Sharif, and an OMLT.

Even more so than is the case with Ireland (Also in ISAF), they know that Europe hangs together or hangs separately in Afghanistan. Very pragmatic people, the Swedes.

And just to cheer you up - the regular picture section of the Swedish English Language paper "The Local", showing young people enjoying themselves............
http://www.thelocal.se/gallery/stockholm/1540/`
 
#15
mistersoft said:
Le_addeur_noir said:
Having been neutral for 200 years,they are hardly to change now.Sweden does operate with the EU and UN military operations and exercises with neighbours and sends their jets on exercises in Britain and the USA among others.

Their military has been cut back heavily over recent years.They will be down to 2 fast jet bases before long from just under 20 at the height of the cold war.
Neutral-ish. There's a few Norwegians with long memories who would question Sweden's neutrality during WWII. Exporting iron ore from Kiruna through Narvik to Nazi Germany doesn't sound very neutral to me either.
They took in Jewish refugees from German-occupied Denmark and didn't mind us running agents and saboteurs from their country into German-occupied Norway though.

I think you'll find they also provided 'volunteers' to Finland to keep the Russians out.

Neutral, but also certainly not afraid to help out their fellow Nordic neighbours.
 
#16
mistersoft said:
There's a few Norwegians with long memories who would question Sweden's neutrality during WWII.
Perhaps, but none who were refugees there from the nazis or the 50 000 Norwegians trained and equiped in Sweden (polititroopen) with the intention of crossing the border if the allies landed in Norway or the Norwegian resitance MILORG, but hey, why nit pick over a good sound bite that holds no water under examination of the bigger picture, eh....
 
#17
While ISAF is indeed NATO lead, it is considered to be an International Force with many non-NATO countries precipitating, Including France which more or less has been independent of NATO for decades!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Security_Assistance_Force

Summary of major troop contributions (including Afghanistan), as at 22 December 2009:

Table of ISAF/NATO Contributors

United States 45,780 54.42%
( European Union) (30,479) (36.22%)
United Kingdom 9,500 11.3%
Germany 4,280 5.08%
France 3,750 4.46%
Italy 3,150 3.74%
Canada 2,830 3.36%
Poland 1,955 2.32%
Netherlands 1,950 2.32%
Turkey 1,755 2.09%
Australia 1,550 1.84%
Spain 1,065 1.26%
Romania 900 1.06%
Norway 500 0.59%
Hungary 315 0.37%
Croatia 290 0.35%
Albania 245 0.29%
New Zealand 220 0.26%
Georgia 175 0.21%
Macedonia 165 0.20%
Azerbaijan 90 0.11%
Singapore 38 0.05%
Bosnia and Herzegovina 10 0.01%
Ukraine 10 0.01%
Iceland 4 0.00%

Total 85,795 100.00%
 

OldSnowy

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#18
Sorry, you're a bit behind the times - France has been fully back in NATO for a few years now, taking its full share of Command Appointments, etc.

Anyway, back to the Swedes - they've got good gear, they seem to know what they're doing with it, and by God they've got some bloody big Soldiers!

If there's a Nation that we should have a 'special Relationship' with, I vote for Sweden :)
 
#19
Sweden is hardly a parasite:
NATO said:
NATO values very highly its relations with Sweden. The Allies view Sweden as an effective and pro-active partner and contributor to international security, which shares key values such as the promotion of international security, democracy and human rights.

An important area of cooperation is the country’s support for NATO-led operations. Sweden is currently contributing to the peacekeeping operations in Kosovo and Afghanistan. In the past, it supported the NATO-led operation in Bosnia and Herzegovina.
More here...

Oh and - No.
 
#20
StickyToffeePudding said:
mistersoft said:
There's a few Norwegians with long memories who would question Sweden's neutrality during WWII.
Perhaps, but none who were refugees there from the nazis or the 50 000 Norwegians trained and equiped in Sweden (polititroopen) with the intention of crossing the border if the allies landed in Norway or the Norwegian resitance MILORG, but hey, why nit pick over a good sound bite that holds no water under examination of the bigger picture, eh....
To the Norwegians I've spoken to (nowhere near the entire population I might add), the fact that German troops were allowed to use Sweden to, not to reinforce of course but to send in much larger numbers of troops into Norway than were previously there, sticks in their craw somewhat.

But then of course, there is that bigger picture that you talk about.
 

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