super regiments

#1
: There is rumour spreading the Foot guards may go super regiment as well, to head off supposed cuts. I know the foot guards are not everyones cup of tea but four of the Regiments were formed by Royal directive.

the Grenadiers Charles I
Jocks some Scots King
Irish, Victoria
and the Welsh by one of the Georges.

I hate all this rapeing of the Regimental history our army is the poorer without the D&D, The gloucesters, and Black watch.

How can you Super Reg a division like the Queens, the PWRR are already a super reg as are the Royal Anglians, the fusiliers are already an amalgum of all the other fusilier regiments.

when will it stop. :pissedoff
 
#3
The-Daddy said:
Well I hope the Guards do get it - we have all been shafted - why are they so special?
What a bone comment. If they break the Guards then more trouble will result for others. The rot has to stop somewhere and I would expect everyone to be onside.
 
#5
whiffler said:
The-Daddy said:
Well I hope the Guards do get it - we have all been shafted - why are they so special?
What a bone comment. If they break the Guards then more trouble will result for others. The rot has to stop somewhere and I would expect everyone to be onside.
Seconded, it has to stop here and now, we won't have a shred of Regimental History, Identity or Tradition left at the rate that Regiments are dissapearing. If the Guards division goes, I think it will inevitabley pave the way for the Corps of Infantry. God forbid!!!!

Cheers Easy!
 
#6
I thought some knob would chip in. and the daddy was that man.

my main point is they have been formed on direct Royal command, the only Regiments to have this honour / hinderence. that is why they have been left alone, so far.

although that Spam head Gen Jackson did try to get rid of the Irish, I fear that was a Para thing rather than a logical decission.
 
#7
Skinn_Full said:
Seconded, it has to stop here and now, we won't have a shred of Regimental History, Identity or Tradition left at the rate that Regiments are dissapearing. If the Guards division goes, I think it will inevitabley pave the way for the Corps of Infantry. God forbid!!!!

Cheers Easy!
Soon it will become the Royal British Defence Force and every service will get chucked under one Capbadge!

If the Guards get turned into a super Regiment it might mean that more of the other Regiments get a chance to Stag on out side Buck palace and the such.
That might mean the Paras get a chance :thumright:
 
#8
taggytwo said:
: the fusiliers are already an amalgum of all the other fusilier regiments.
It should be pointed out that the Royal Welch Fusiliers are now part of the super Regt (in every sense :thumright: )The Royal Welsh (hence hackles, Flashes, Scarlets etc...) and the RHF are part of the Royal Regiment of Scotland.

Main point- smack on the nail though!
 
#9
taggytwo said:
my main point is they have been formed on direct Royal command, the only Regiments to have this honour / hinderence. that is why they have been left alone, so far.
"If I claimed to be King because some farscial aquatic bint had lobbed a scimitar at me, they’d put me away!"
Dennis, Monty Python and the Holy Grail.

Just because some German loon liked tall men and had shares in Brasso doesn't mean that the logic behind the big regiment concept doesn't hold up for the Guards, they aren't "special".

They have been left alone as the headlines in the papers wouldn't read well.
 
#10
Taggy - if you don't like other peoples comments then don't post - or buy that island off the Essex coast and form your own bloody regiment. You ain't got a clue have you - the Guards have always been privaliged at the expense of the rest of the infantry - its about time they marched in the real world.

And the Coldsteamers were not raised by Royal warrant - some people need to get their facts striaght before they touch the keyboard

1650 George Monck's Regiment
raised for service in Parliamentary Army in Northumberland from five companies of George Fenwick's Regiment and five companies of Sir Arthur Hesilrige's Regiment [Hazlerigg]

1660 The Duke of Albemarle's Regiment of Foot, or The Lord General's Regiment transferred to the King's service

1661.02.14 Lord General's Regiment of Foot Guards
elevated to Guards status, and placed on British Establishment;
Note: the regiment never accepted the designation "2nd Regiment of Foot Guards" although this was occasionally used in official documents in the early 18th century.

1670 Coldstream Regiment of Foot Guards

1855 Coldstream Guards
 
#11
The-Daddy said:
Taggy - if you don't like other peoples comments then don't post - or buy that island off the Essex coast and form your own bloody regiment. You ain't got a clue have you - the Guards have always been privaliged at the expense of the rest of the infantry - its about time they marched in the real world.

And the Coldsteamers were not raised by Royal warrant - some people need to get their facts striaght before they touch the keyboard

1650 George Monck's Regiment
raised for service in Parliamentary Army in Northumberland from five companies of George Fenwick's Regiment and five companies of Sir Arthur Hesilrige's Regiment [Hazlerigg]

1660 The Duke of Albemarle's Regiment of Foot, or The Lord General's Regiment transferred to the King's service

1661.02.14 Lord General's Regiment of Foot Guards
elevated to Guards status, and placed on British Establishment;
Note: the regiment never accepted the designation "2nd Regiment of Foot Guards" although this was occasionally used in official documents in the early 18th century.

1670 Coldstream Regiment of Foot Guards

1855 Coldstream Guards
My Bold.

Taggy did'nt inclued the Coldstreamers in his first post. But nice bit of History though mate.
 
#12
Ok, Scots Guards

The Scots Guards have over three hundred and sixty years of unbroken service to the crown. They can trace their origins back to an army that was raised by Archibald 1st Marquess of Argyll, 16 March 1642. Since this date the Regiment has served in nearly every campaign in which the British Army has been involved in. In 1686 they were brought onto the establishment of the English Army for the first time.

I don't think that Archibald was ever a king of England
 
#13
I read somewhere that there were nearly 6 Guards Regiments, the sixth one was to be made up of commonwealth troops but the idea was never followed through, I shall dig for a link.
 
#14
The Daddy

you should be carefull before you rant you look stupid when you get it wrong. I never mentioned the Coldstream because i know there history.
As for the Scots.

1642Marquis of Argyll's Royal Regiment
1650 Foote Regiment of His Majestie's Lyffe Guard
1651 disbanded

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1660.11.23 six independent companies in Scotland under James
1661.05.01 Scots Regiment of Foot Guards
(also known as The King's Regiment, The King's Foot Guards, or Scotch Guards)
1686 placed on English Establishment, ranking as 3rd Foot Guards
1713 3rd Regiment of Foot Guards
1831.04.29 Scots Fusilier Guards
1877.04.03 Scots Guards

Something tells me you are a little bitter, i cant understand why, perhaps you were refused entry in to the guards. when you leave the army cadets you can apply again, in the meantime keep your chinup young man.
 
#15
Skinn_Full said:
whiffler said:
The-Daddy said:
Well I hope the Guards do get it - we have all been shafted - why are they so special?
What a bone comment. If they break the Guards then more trouble will result for others. The rot has to stop somewhere and I would expect everyone to be onside.
Seconded, it has to stop here and now, we won't have a shred of Regimental History, Identity or Tradition left at the rate that Regiments are dissapearing. If the Guards division goes, I think it will inevitabley pave the way for the Corps of Infantry. God forbid!!!!

Cheers Easy!
I agree. Whilst having no great love for the Household Div I must say that them getting "shafted" is not good. Just because others have been. Look at it this way, if they can be "shafted" what can the rest of us expect. The rot must stop now.
 
#16
taggytwo said:
How can you Super Reg a division like the Queens, the PWRR are already a super reg as are the Royal Anglians, the fusiliers are already an amalgum of all the other fusilier regiments.
I understand your sentiment and I too would hate to see it happen but this is an emotive argument and, as such, pointless; the MoD doesn't have a soul.

The fact of the matter is there is little difference between the Royal Anglians and the late Royal Green Jackets (both of whom are or were known as 'Large' Regiments, not 'Super') or the PWRR and the late RGBWLI.

Either way, the next ten years will reveal the answer.
 
#17
The-Daddy said:
Ok, Scots Guards

The Scots Guards have over three hundred and sixty years of unbroken service to the crown. They can trace their origins back to an army that was raised by Archibald 1st Marquess of Argyll, 16 March 1642. Since this date the Regiment has served in nearly every campaign in which the British Army has been involved in. In 1686 they were brought onto the establishment of the English Army for the first time.

I don't think that Archibald was ever a king of England
Ah...King Archie. Best King ever.
 
#18
stickybomb said:
The fact of the matter is there is little difference between the Royal Anglians and the late Royal Green Jackets (both of whom are or were known as 'Large' Regiments, not 'Super') or the PWRR and the late RGBWLI.
Aye, before 3 Mercian was saved, the plan for the PoW Div included a R Wessex, an amalgamation of the RGBW, D&D and the R Hants (deamalgamating from the Queens). Hence some of the weird frippery announced with the Gloucester, Devon and Dorset (at one point to be 1 R Wessex) going one way and the Berkshire and Wiltshire joining the PWRR (originally to have been 2 R Wessex w/ the R Hampshires).

In the end the Bn that got the shaft was 2 R Wessex, and 1 R Wessex was orphaned and ended up becoming a 3rd LI Bn due to being geographically close to Cornwall, Somerset and Shropshire.

However, the Foot Guards (even if they don't go to a super regiment) will be treated as such:

The Grenadier and Welsh Guards will be treated as a 2 Bn Regiment (one PD, one Light Role)
The Coldstream and Irish Guards will also be treated as a 2 Bn Regiment (one PD, one LR)
The Scots Guards will remain in the armoured role, and pax posted to them from the other 4 Bns.

They might bite the bullet and form a Regiment of Foot Guards, which would probably long term be a good thing for them.
 
#19
TaggyTwo,

the Scots Regiment of Foot Guards or The King's Regiment or The King's Foot Guards does not indicate a Royal Warrant or Command. I still think that the whole of the infantry should have been treated the same.

Not ranting, just countering your argument, but by your replies you are not able to have a civilised conversation. Check your use of unsavoury prowords. As for getting refused entry to the Guards you are wrong there - never applied or wanted to, and my service (peace & war/reg & TA) was in the Light Division.
 
#20
THE_DADDY

I make it a point never to slag off other Regiments, so I find your childish rant at the Guards quite offensive, especially as you have never served in one of there fine Regiments.

I am sure your Regiment loves you, and is proud of the way you keep up its good name, with your professional attitude and ability on this forum,
I only hope your soldiering was of a higher standard.
 

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