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Subversion

The missus is doing a fine arts degree, I walk into the room and they're on a zoom call for an ethics part of a module and they're looking at and talking about "Colonial crimes"

No subversion, or politicisation going on at all there
 
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Cicero

"A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself."
 
Cicero

"A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself."
Far more eloquent than the analogy I use.

All politicians are snakes, the ones on the right are like the brightly coloured ones that warn you in advance that they are dangerous, the ones on the left are the ones that camouflage and strike you when you don't expect it.
 
The Besmenov videos on YouTube and Vimeo are worth while. Those were made in the 1980s, before the World Wide Web led to the Internet expanding well beyond it's original intent.

Seconded about the Besmenov interview.

Additionally, I would add the speech by JFK where he talks about "agents by night, rather than armies by day". The tin-foil hatters think that he's talking about secret societies etc, he isn't, he's talking about communism.

The subversion is real, and it has an effect. Flicking through my FB stuff it is easy to see how much of an effect it has had over the years- very comfortable grad types with good/ very good jobs and lifestyles are the worst.
One friend came out as a communist- he lives in Dubai and works for a multi-national. Anti-capitalist, pro authoritarian govt.
One business owner it the IT sector is now very hard left.
A sen. manager at my old IT employer, as above.
I could go on but it would just be more of the same.
How do people living these types of lifestyles become so deranged into despising the capitalism that has given them everything, including paying for education, healthcare, welfare etc?

It's because the Western democracies are open societies thus can be subverted. A closed society such as N. Korea, would be very hard to subvert.
 
Seconded about the Besmenov interview.

Additionally, I would add the speech by JFK where he talks about "agents by night, rather than armies by day". The tin-foil hatters think that he's talking about secret societies etc, he isn't, he's talking about communism.

The subversion is real, and it has an effect. Flicking through my FB stuff it is easy to see how much of an effect it has had over the years- very comfortable grad types with good/ very good jobs and lifestyles are the worst.
One friend came out as a communist- he lives in Dubai and works for a multi-national. Anti-capitalist, pro authoritarian govt.
One business owner it the IT sector is now very hard left.
A sen. manager at my old IT employer, as above.
I could go on but it would just be more of the same.
How do people living these types of lifestyles become so deranged into despising the capitalism that has given them everything, including paying for education, healthcare, welfare etc?

It's because the Western democracies are open societies thus can be subverted. A closed society such as N. Korea, would be very hard to subvert.
Agreed.

Btw - how on earth do you live in Dubai and be anti-capitalist without being a raging hypocrite?

The only reason you go there is to make money, as did I for 13 years.
 
Agreed.

Btw - how on earth do you live in Dubai and be anti-capitalist without being a raging hypocrite?

One thing that I have learned about these socialists is that the confiscation of wealth etc only applies to people richer than them....
As they steadily climb the ladder and earn more money, the bracket that defines 'rich bastard' moves too.
 
True. The apparent dearth of overt resistance to the problem troubles me, too. Although, Kemi Badenoch was a recent and welcome exception, addressing the Critical Race Theory divisiveness. It's a shame she needed the protection of a black African heritage to allow her to speak the truth without fear of the R word.

Short version:




The full speech:

Is she related to the Wolf of Badenoch do you think?

 
Although I do not subscribe to conspiracy theories, I think it is fair to say that the lack of a shared sense of identity and shared values can only make media manipulation and advancing extreme agendas more likely. This applies to extreme right wing loons pushing an agenda against minorities.

For example, some tried to blame the spread of COVID-19 on Muslims gathering in mosques. Yet they had been closed at the same time as other places of worship. Whenever there is any societal ill, may seek to avoid thinking by seeking to blame a minority.

Both communists and fascists seek a society based on power and scapegoating.
 
No different in Thatcher's time ( let alone before ) , despite the fact that MI5 were monitoring a lot of them , because they were allegedly or actually part funded by Moscow
Greenham Common wimmin
CND
Miners Solidarity organizations
Red Wedge
SWP
Derek Hatton
Red Ken
It's been going on for years , and will never cease 'till they turn this country into a worker's paradise
yeah, but as the book foretells some animals will be more equal than others.in this paradise.
 
Cicero

"A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself."
Cicero, of course, knew exactly what he was talking about... :grin:
 
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