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Subversion

There's a common theme cropping up in several threads. Apparent attempts at subversion, some more subtle than others. It's not just BLM or XR - even institutions such as The National Trust, and National Army Museum seem to be attempting to break down the cultural structure of the UK.

Let's start with the BBC...

It's one thing having over-emphasis of a particular viewpoint in a broadcaster's news (and even entertainment) output, but I stumbled on a section of the BBC website that appears to be something more sinister.

https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20190721-what-is-bbc-worklife

The BBC's Worklife pages include articles that explicitly tell you - "don't be confident"; "losing is good"; "will-power is evil"; "having time to yourself is dangerous".

Hmm... that last one sounds familiar. From Orwell’s 1984:

"In principle a Party member had no spare time, and was never alone except in bed. It was assumed that when he was not working, eating, or sleeping he would be taking part in some kind of communal recreations; to do anything that suggested a taste for solitude, even to go for a walk by yourself, was always slightly dangerous. There was a word for it in Newspeak: ownlife, it was called, meaning individualism and eccentricity."

Worried about a tendency to 'ownlife'? Fear not, brothers and sisters, the BBC will brainwash guide you. This is a direct quote from one of their pieces:

"...many of us are likely to be working less in the future. Given work helps provide meaning and structure to a week, the free time of the future could be bewildering and unhealthy. It could be funnelled into antisocial activities, including crime and drug abuse. Or it could become prosocial, being channelled into creativity, sociability and community/political participation. And there may be ways to nudge people towards the latter."

Now, the implied social control is quite worrying. But, it's being funded by the license-payer, and I'm not sure where it fits into this:
Mission, values and public purposes

Inform, Subjugate, and Entertain?
 

Cruthin1967

Old-Salt
"An ideology is at its most powerful when it is ubiquitous and therefore invisible." Karl Marx, The Eighteenth Brumaire of Louis Napoleon.

Apply this to modern Britain, thinking about diversity, BLM, feminism etc.
 
You can only be unconfident, and unafraid of losing, if you are comfortably off. If you are from a socio-economic background that means you need work to earn money to keep a roof over your head, being told that losing isn't an issue is dangerous.

We have a Conservative government (in theory) but not much seems to be being done to stop the spread of these ideas.
 
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We have a Conservative government (in theory) but not much seems to be being done to stop the spread of these ideas.


True. The apparent dearth of overt resistance to the problem troubles me, too. Although, Kemi Badenoch was a recent and welcome exception, addressing the Critical Race Theory divisiveness. It's a shame she needed the protection of a black African heritage to allow her to speak the truth without fear of the R word.

Short version:



The full speech:
 
The Besmenov videos on YouTube and Vimeo are worth while. Those were made in the 1980s, before the World Wide Web led to the Internet expanding well beyond it's original intent. Shirley Williams thought a public Internet might be a bad thing. Like any tool it can be abused and it certainly is. On balance it still seems to be a tool for more good than harm, as was television a few decades ago.

Net neutrality is threatened partly by over reach and lack of awareness but also by the misuse of tools by bad people and bad actors (not the kind that give TV shows and films a bad name). Influence and manipulation can seemingly come from nowhere and impact individuals, nations and cultures.

Facebook were remarkably successful with social manipulation but are barely in control of the monster they created. Nobody knows for sure how many lives have been lost due to wilful misuse of the platform. No need to sneak missiles on to Cuba with weapons like Facebook, Twitter, Instagram etc all based in California.

There are many bad actors and criminals but the main three state actors China, Russia and Iran (the states not the people) have an axis of convenience. China wants Intellectual Property and will stop at nothing to get it. Any insecurity in a system is an open door for them to help themselves but they don't stop at access over the Internet. They have people embedded in companies worldwide, as trusted employees and placement students. The goal is to become the dominant power in technology and information, to own the virtual soul of everyone. Total control.

Russia wants information too but also wants to weaken the West which it still sees as a threat. Anything will do. Sow a bit of misinformation here, stir a bit of agitation there, either via state sponsored propaganda channels such as RT or via proxies of hard left (and what are known as far right) radicals. There are various such groups proclaiming moral superiority and being closed to logical reasoning. Chaos uses up resources and time.

Iran has other goals. Culture change. Any dealings it has with China and Russia are business matters, weapons deals or mutually beneficial. It dislikes Western culture, democracy, etc and has a chip on it's shoulder.

In the Digital Era warfare is increasingly all in the mind​

written by Aleksandar Nacev June 10, 2020

In the Digital Era warfare is increasingly all in the mind | Conservatives Global

Triad of Disinformation: How Russia, Iran, & China Ally in a Messaging War against America​

May 15, 2020

Clint Watts
Non-Resident Fellow, Alliance for Securing Democracy

Triad of Disinformation: How Russia, Iran, & China Ally in a Messaging War against America
 
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The subversion of the nation's children is the deeply worrying issue. That teachers are not merely allowed, but directed to do so is astounding. That they are directed to do so by an apparatchik named Yusuf is incredible.

Edit: Yousaf wasn't involved. Different argument going on elsewhere; sorry.
 
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The subversion of the nation's children is the deeply worrying issue. That teachers are not merely allowed, but directed to do so is astounding. That they are directed to do so by an apparatchik named Yusuf is incredible.
The same chap who wants to censor public discourse and encourage families to report each other for perceived insults. Foreign nationals and 14 year olds now allowed to vote in Scotland. Will Wales and England follow this lead?

Scott Adams latest cartoons are very appropriate.

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The same chap who wants to censor public discourse and encourage families to report each other for perceived insults. Foreign nationals and 14 year olds now allowed to vote in Scotland. Will Wales and England follow this lead?

Scott Adams latest cartoons are very appropriate.
The SNP are very good at indoctrination, I'm sure there are a few level headed SNP supporters but they've also built a sizeable army of zealots, raised on a diet of hate the English and the Tory party. They've used this army to ensure a parliamentary majority with no end, to all intents and purposes, create a one party state. This in turn allows them to push through legislation that on examination any sane and rational person would baulk at, some of it designed to (IMHO) undermine the fabric of our society. Named guardian (which was thankfully binned) being to my mind the most dystopian/soviet of their ideas.

The OP, quite rightly points out that we have external enemies in the form of China, Russia and to a lesser extent Iran. There is some mention of internal in the form of Facebook et al using their platforms to push their own agendas. But, (again IMHO) to my mind the most insidious internal enemy is the left leaning quasi socialist parties, of which the SNP is one. A large part of their aims over the last decade or two seems to be focused on changing the voter demographics, either through the importation of voters who they think will vote for them or the indoctrination of our youth. The aim is to solidify their hold on power, much in the same way the SNP have done successfully in Scotland. Once they have that guaranteed hold on power they can push through pretty much whatever policies they like.

This ends one of two ways, neither of which I think are very good. We continue the inescapable march towards socialism in the West with resulting economic and societal collapse. Or, the balance tips the other way and we end up with actual real life XRW (not the he has a blue rosette so must be a Nazi type) gaining a foothold of power, with probably much the same result.
 
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The subversion of the nation's children is the deeply worrying issue. That teachers are not merely allowed, but directed to do so is astounding. That they are directed to do so by an apparatchik named Yusuf is incredible.
Link?
 

RTU'd

Old-Salt
The National Trust used to be known as the Countryside Mafia.
Very hard to get a job with them but once in a job for life, that is until Covid came along.

Countryside & Forestry jobs these days are more rare than rocking horse poo.
 
You can only be unconfident, and unafraid of losing, if you are comfortably off. If you are from a socio-economic background that means you need work to earn money to keep a roof over your head, being told that losing isn't an issue is dangerous.

We have a Conservative government (in theory) but not much seems to be being done to stop the spread of these ideas.
No different in Thatcher's time ( let alone before ) , despite the fact that MI5 were monitoring a lot of them , because they were allegedly or actually part funded by Moscow
Greenham Common wimmin
CND
Miners Solidarity organizations
Red Wedge
SWP
Derek Hatton
Red Ken
It's been going on for years , and will never cease 'till they turn this country into a worker's paradise
 
No different in Thatcher's time ( let alone before ) , despite the fact that MI5 were monitoring a lot of them , because they were allegedly or actually part funded by Moscow
Greenham Common wimmin
CND
Miners Solidarity organizations
Red Wedge
SWP
Derek Hatton
Red Ken
It's been going on for years , and will never cease 'till they turn this country into a worker's paradise
I agree. And today such groups are helped by their type of view having gained wider acceptance and sympathy from some of the people working for the state or in the media, etc.
 

Yokel

LE
I have written about this on multiple threads. The real question is what should Western countries and societies do about it?

The answer to my simple mind is strengthening our identity and appreciating history and things such as the rule of law. For example, some historians think a third of the sailors in the Britush fleet at Trafalgar were Scottish. A large number were non white. Why not remember this and celebrate our shared history? Why not value the protection the law provides to the individual by limiting the power of those that have power - Government, employers, businesses, and so on.

In addition we need to protect public confidence in institutions by insisting on the highest standards of integrity and accountability. We insist of accountability and learning from experience from manufacturing industry, so why not public institutions?

I sometimes think that a good analogy is a naval pilot trying to land on a ship. They must have total faith in the aircraft instructions (conscience) and the landing aids on the ship (facts). But they also rely on lots of other sailors doing their jobs, and to achieve safety and efficiency they need a just culture of openness and learning.
 
The missus is doing a fine arts degree, I walk into the room and they're on a zoom call for an ethics part of a module and they're looking at and talking about "Colonial crimes"

No subversion, or politicisation going on at all there
 
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Cicero

"A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself."
 
Cicero

"A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself."
Far more eloquent than the analogy I use.

All politicians are snakes, the ones on the right are like the brightly coloured ones that warn you in advance that they are dangerous, the ones on the left are the ones that camouflage and strike you when you don't expect it.
 
The Besmenov videos on YouTube and Vimeo are worth while. Those were made in the 1980s, before the World Wide Web led to the Internet expanding well beyond it's original intent.

Seconded about the Besmenov interview.

Additionally, I would add the speech by JFK where he talks about "agents by night, rather than armies by day". The tin-foil hatters think that he's talking about secret societies etc, he isn't, he's talking about communism.

The subversion is real, and it has an effect. Flicking through my FB stuff it is easy to see how much of an effect it has had over the years- very comfortable grad types with good/ very good jobs and lifestyles are the worst.
One friend came out as a communist- he lives in Dubai and works for a multi-national. Anti-capitalist, pro authoritarian govt.
One business owner it the IT sector is now very hard left.
A sen. manager at my old IT employer, as above.
I could go on but it would just be more of the same.
How do people living these types of lifestyles become so deranged into despising the capitalism that has given them everything, including paying for education, healthcare, welfare etc?

It's because the Western democracies are open societies thus can be subverted. A closed society such as N. Korea, would be very hard to subvert.
 
This is great...the 70s wants its conspiracy theories back.

The party closest to Russia isn't Labour nowadays. HTH
 
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