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#1
Agh I give up on them, I am one and I despair! Posted a short entry on my uni message forum attempting to see if anyone is interested in joining the TA. Here's a slightly edited (to remove locations, names etc) version so far. It was a bit cheesey but so what?

Is anyone looking for some interesting, fun, challenging work while at uni or for the summer and going to be around *, *, *, * or *?

How does getting paid an average of £44.59 a day for 27 days work, £340 of which is a tax free lump sum sound? Going up to £840, £1220 and £1490 tax free in the following years. Want to improve your network/communications, electrical, cooking and/or leadership skills? Learn to drive, do adventure training, get fit, join an exclusive organsiation that looks great on your CV and make a lot of new friends? Want extra qualifications that will be especially useful in the computing industry?

Ever wondered what the Army is really like?

The catch - you need to be, or have the desire to be fit, a team player and a can-do attitude.

Give me a shout, or post a reply and I'll clue you in.
The responses:
Don't the army kill people and illegally invade sovereign nations without backing from the UN?
Yeh theres a chance you might be dragged to another country for a little longer than the summer :/.
Im presuming its the TA, in which you wont.

And illegally#
Yeah.. like the army is ever used for purposes other than short term financial or political gain.

The only time I would join is when I've lost my morals and get to play with expensive toys...that fly.
That last one pissed me off, royally.
 
#3
I can't, it's a closed community which can only be read with an intranet log in, and posted to via a seperate account. Need to be a student there to post. It would also blow this userid wide out of the water (if that's not already happened) faster than you can say 'Your hat, my office'.

If you have anything to say that won't get me banned then feel free to add suggestions. I've already educated them as to the fact we'd rather be at home drinking beer and shagging the wife etc but the elected government keeps us there.
 
#4
Dear TS,

That is cold calling for you. You have to kiss a hundred frogs to get one sale. The 'Free everybody, llama loving, right wing Stalinist respect group', call their friends and try to be clever. After a few days they will have exhausted all their witicisms (if they haven't already).

Please PM with the outline, I will happily suggest ideas.

Nice idea.
 
#5
gung_hobo said:
Dear TS,

That is cold calling for you. You have to kiss a hundred frogs to get one sale. The 'Free everybody, llama loving, right wing Stalinist respect group', call their friends and try to be clever. After a few days they will have exhausted all their witicisms (if they haven't already).

Please PM with the outline, I will happily suggest ideas.

Nice idea.
Right wing? Surely something wrong there?

Litotes
 
#9
Well I'm actually a bit surprised, have two people and maybe a third expressing some interest in the technical trades etc - and standing up for the forces. Also some lurkers watching the thread. Guess I just need to cultivate their interest now. Got some just wanting to know about chances of mobilisation etc - apparently there was some cartoon where they joined up for the summer and ended up fighting in a war as soon as they'd signed on the line or something.

The way I put it: sign up with the intention of staying the summer, try complete or do as much basic training that you can. If you like it then stay in, if not then foxtrot oscar but thanks for giving it a go. You probably won't get mobilised without completing basic and trade training (which takes longer) unless the 3rd Shock Army comes out of retirement and makes a break for the students union bar.
 
#11
I remember there being a big in town recruitment drive on the day of that massive (2million my arrse!!) anti war demo just before Iraq kicked off.. oh what fun.. bit of an anticlimax really all we got were the usual types!

As with recruiting students, Iv posted my 2p on this on some other threads and basically concluded that the best and pretty much only way to get to them is at freshers fair. Otherwise any potentials feck off to the OTC, find it to be the pile of **** (insert own 4 letter 'description') then get fed up, leave and tar the rest of the Army with the same brush.

If im honest had I not joint the TA 2 years before going to Uni then I would probably have made the same mistake, however it is good fun to say "im getting £1500 for my bounty and conviniantly just before I graduate. What are you getting? oh £100 something?" :) Should see their faces!!
 
#12
I'm thinking of getting a small recruitment stand set up near the end of term. Yes there will be exams a plenty coming up but if any of the students are going to hang around this summer, or be near our other squadrons then they will be able to get through their basic over the summer - before coming back on the local sqns strength. Additionally it will be a nice recce before doing a strong freshers fair swoop. That is the plan anyway.

Fortunately there is no OTC based at my university, so if we get our act together we could get quite a few bodies. How do the OTC sell it? Might be worth trying their approach.
 
#13
Dear Msr,

The thing with buttons with the wire that goes to the big box that makes clicking noises. I've checked the TV, but it doesn't seem to have any effect. I was given a pocket organiser, but it is no good, I just can't work out how to get the small change and keys in, though it does flatten hankies well.
 
#14
Green_Homer makes a good point - freshers fair will always be your best bet. OTC tend to have flash recruiting stands and dust off their most attractive birds for the day, so this often poses problems for recruiting. However, if you show up and put on a good stand then you will get the type of bod that you want. A good way to show up the OTC is to have a natty and VERY warry video of your unit on exercise that makes the OTC's lame attempts at Longmoor look like a schoolyard game of cowboys, lots of warry pictures and a good mix of soldiers present at all ranks.
 
#15
TA_sig said:
I'm thinking of getting a small recruitment stand set up near the end of term. Yes there will be exams a plenty coming up but if any of the students are going to hang around this summer, or be near our other squadrons then they will be able to get through their basic over the summer - before coming back on the local sqns strength. Additionally it will be a nice recce before doing a strong freshers fair swoop. That is the plan anyway.

Fortunately there is no OTC based at my university, so if we get our act together we could get quite a few bodies. How do the OTC sell it? Might be worth trying their approach.
Try having a look at the Recruiting thread in the OTC forum.

Basically, it's sold as an AT and drinking package, with pay and a little running around with guns. :roll:
sm.
 
#16
I can't recommend freshers fair - there is just too much going on for the poor bewildered students, many of whom seem to have left home for the first time.

I believe that it is better to approach students at a student job fair and via the careers service, that way you won't tread on the toes of the OTC.

You might also like to give the OTC a large handful of flyers for those who turn up during the year, having missed the selection w/e.

msr
 
#17
Yep every OTC stand has the same format: Fit women for the blokes, sports students in PT gear for the women, lots of flashy tvs with basically crap on... and the big finally.................. Come and get pissed while shooting guns and get paid!

Maybe adapt some of their points such as cheap beer and getting paid (mention in particular that OTC pay basically stays the same whilst in the same time with the TA you will be on £10 a more, plus the bounty of course!!) but don't sell in the the same manner, say that we are far more professional with the chance to focus on something usefull rather then cherry bite and learn nothing. Yes it will put off some but they will be the ones who won't survive in our environment!
Beg, borrow, steal a decent tv and like HantsTiger says put on a decent 'home video' (quiet in the back there!! not that sort!!" to initially attract attention. One thing the OTC do far better then us is to approach people and get them over to their stand
 
#18
You see we went and did recruitment in a uni in Liverpool and the only abuse we got was off gay blokes upset about the lack of mincers! The Chicks flocked around rapidly. Which brought the blokes over then We just big timed about how we won our VC's. Got many a number from the chicks. & sadly quite a few numbers off blokes aswell. (For recruits honest)

You need to whip out the Warriors dude and let the gals mount your Rarden!

Editted because I didnt go to Uni.
 
#19
msr said:
I can't recommend freshers fair - there is just too much going on for the poor bewildered students, many of whom seem to have left home for the first time.

I believe that it is better to approach students at a student job fair and via the careers service, that way you won't tread on the toes of the OTC.

You might also like to give the OTC a large handful of flyers for those who turn up during the year, having missed the selection w/e.

msr
Tried the careers fair and the 'liaising' with the otc. Both failed massivly! Student workload builds up big time once you hit 2nd year so if they already trained by then, then they can if needs be cool down their training when needed without getting back squaded throught the recruit system.

On the handing out fliers to the OTC - They will never get rid of a potential recuit! all they say is come back next year don't goto the TA, if at all we get a mention.
OTC are also amongst some of the most arragent people I have ever met! A lot of students are from the 'im better then you' school of thought as it is - the OTC then cream off the worst offenders! if you drop the officer bit then I would bet any money they would see a massive slump in their numbers, too many of them think that they are actually commisioned officers and that they are superior to a TA soldier who has been in years with operational experience (not me yet but you get my drift :wink: )
 
#20
Green_Homer said:
that they are superior to a TA soldier who has been in years with operational experience
Personally I think that is utter rubbish, who do you think instructs at the UOTC's......... TA NCO's and Officers who have yes been in for 'years' and have operational experience.

If any of you would like to advertise to students from Abertay, Dundee, St Andrews or Stirling in Tayforth who might be returning to your catchment area upon graduating, please feel free to PM me and I will happily put your units contact details and any fancy graphics etc on the Tayforth website. Northern Ireland, the London Area, North West, Midlands, South West and Central Scotland would have the majority of interest.
 

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