Stricken sub's crewman dies

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  1. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/3719760.stm

    Bloody eck, what a **** up! - My thoughts are with the family.
     
  2. Hear, hear.

    If the MoD did sell the Canucks a dodgy sub, they had better take a good hard look at themselves and do the honourable thing.

    IF
     
  3. Unfortunately there have been problems with all four of them. This is the first death though as far as I know.
    May be rest in peace.



    I said before, Canada thought they were getting off cheap and easy. But then that's the history of boats for Canada's submarine service.
     
  4. Condolences to Lt Saunders family

    Lest We Forget
     
  5. Cutaway

    Cutaway LE Reviewer

    MOD ...... honourable ?

    WHAT ?


    Thoughts & condolencies with Chris Saunders' family & friends.
     
  6. Thoughts with the families of all those involved.

    But, has a reason been given as to why the sub had problems.
     
  7. Condolences to the family of the Crewman, i was talking to my father about this the other night, he served on board the Oboren Class subs back during the 70's (i belive they were the predecessor to the class the Canadians bought) and hearing him speak about what it must be like to be dead in to water in one of those with a fire on board...well brave men who tackled it!!

    wish the rest a safe return to port and then home!
     
  8. Condolences to the family , colleagues and friends of Lt.Saunders.

    I was especially moved by the speaker of the Canadian Parliament requesting that members be upstanding for a 2 minute silence.
     
  9. Let's hope the second submariner pulls through.

    Second submarine sailor in critical condition
    http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2004/10/07/saunders041007.html

    The Canadian government is at fault for this incident. They continuously take the cheap route, instead of making sure our troops have the full support. There have been years of government neglect in the equipment and infrastructure of Canadian troops.

    Cost too much to buy new Subs? Bullshit. They purchased these subs from Britain for about $700M, meanwhile they spent $1.2B on a gun registration program. Shows where the priorities are.

    I don't know if it was irresponsible for the MOD to sell the old subs in the first place, but ultimatly they are not to blaim. All the guilt lies on the shoulders of the Canadian government. And their neglect is now costing people's lives.

    I hope they learn this lesson well.
     
  10. Laughing about the subs thing after hearing it on the the News Quiz last Sunday, it was funny at the time the way they were joking about us selling dodgey subs. Not so funny now that somebody has died because of it. My condolences are with his family.
     
  11. Ventress

    Ventress LE Moderator

    A better show than our Parliament could put together for our losses around the world.

    RIP
     
  12. Without directly saying it, Graham is trying to lay blame for this on the MOD and Royal Navy.

    Too bad Canada was first offered these boats in 1994 before they went into mothball, and even after when it was decided Canada would take them, and the boats having been mothballed for years) never sent a team to actually inspect them first.
     
  13. Mr Happy

    Mr Happy LE Moderator

    I've never personally bought a Submarine so I can't comment in too much detail but I would expect a few things to be true of submarine purchasing (1) bought as seen (2) test drive first (3) a crew just doesn't turn up and nip off with it like you're buying a Ford Escort, they've got to be trained first and all sorts and I presume this isn't a two week conversion course at Lympston??? (Sp?).

    It could just be possible that something wasn't done properly that caused the sub to catch fire, I can't for the life of me blame our friendly cousins but maybe the accident wasn't just because the sub was old.

    Full condolences though and errrm, sorry about the other 3.
     
  14. This thread needs a follow up. There was much speculation at the time that the fault was that of the vendor or builder. A recent comment in an otherwise unrelated thread suggests that this notion has legs.

    The Canadian Navy has published their report and their conclusion is elsewhere.

    http://www.vcds.forces.gc.ca/boi_chicoutimi/pubs/executive_e.asp

    Apologies if this has already been posted.