Strategy games - wargaming

#1
I would like to start wargaming - and am interested in a strategy type of wargame (i.e. not the "blast everything in sight" type of game, like Counter Strike, which my son has).

Ideally I am after "real" battles.

I searched after a wargame on the Falklands for example, and Shrapnel Games do one: http://www.shrapnelgames.com/prosim/falklands_82/1.htm

But it hasn't had very good reviews, and they say it takes a long time to learn how to use it.

Can anyone with a bit of experience recommend a computer based wargame (so that I can play against the computer in the first instance), that is as realistic as possible (put down smoke, move under covering fire, ability to "give orders" so that several things start at the same time), preferably based on real battles?

all help appreciated.
 

chrisg46

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#3
Total war series is pretty good, although it is ancient combat rather than modern day stuff.
 
#4
drain_sniffer said:
This the sort of thing you are looking for?Try this
The graphics looked very good - but it was difficult to see how good it was as a strategy game. I was thinking also of a game at Bn/Bgd/div level.
Does anyone have any experience of this game (Company of Heroes)
 
#5
The game isnt out yet (Comp of Heroes). The type of strategy game you are after is difficult to come by now, unless you want ancient combat as chris suggested (try the Total War series)

This is about as close as you are likely to get now, as the majority of gamers want graphics and gameplay, rather than in depth military command

Give this a try
 
#7
drain_sniffer said:
The game isnt out yet (Comp of Heroes). The type of strategy game you are after is difficult to come by now, unless you want ancient combat as chris suggested (try the Total War series)

This is about as close as you are likely to get now, as the majority of gamers want graphics and gameplay, rather than in depth military command

Give this a try
World War II Frontline Command
(The link you gave) looks indeed very interesting, the price is so low that it's worth ordering just to try. I'll write a little review after I've tried it.

You write that the sort of thing I'm after is difficult to get now, have you any recommendations for things I might try to obtain used (out of production?).
 
#8
southern_fairy said:
You can download the demo for Company of Heroes, but its 1.7Gb. Well worth it though.

Here

The only other ones I would suggest are Cossacks 2 or Close Combat 2 (If you can find a copy)

Defcon will be out at the end of the month if you fancy some global thermal nuclear warfare :D

http://www.everybody-dies.com/
Have you tried the demo for company of heroes? Is it more or less what I'm after?
 
#10
'Company of Heroes' is more along a Section/Platoon Commanders level of strategy. Very good though. 'Brothers in Arms' is similar.

'Total War' is a series which has been well put together, but takes it premise from the times of the Roman Empire and Barbarian hordes. 'Rome Total War' is about the best of this series.

To have a go at leading entire Armies, at the time of the Cold War, this is supposed to be FANTASTIC.

www.gamespot.com/pc/strategy/heartsofironiidoomsday/review.html?sid=6147479

Buy it here... www.play.com/play247.asp?page=title&Cur=257&r=PC&title=872786&P36=45ZK6J

For a bit less of a "Risk" type game and a bit more hands on, this is supposed to be VERY good too.

www.gamespot.com/pc/strategy/actofwarhightreason/review.html?sid=6155895

Buy it from here... www.play.com/play247.asp?page=title&Cur=257&r=PC&title=880843&P36=45ZKNJ

Hope this helps.
 
#11
Yeah it was cracking fun.

Its more like Command & Conquer than Close Combat, as in if a unit is killed you can build another straight away if you have the resources rather than just having a set amount of units for the entire duration map.

The entire map can be destroyed so lots of different tactics can be used, if you want cover for an MG just blow a hole in a building wall and move the MG inside.

The only downside is that you need a beast of a PC to play it.

To be honest I would recomend Close Combat2, I love it and still play it to this day. It may just be a bit hard getting a copy as its nearly 10 years old.

If anyone would like a copy of Hearts of Iron 2 let me know, its sitting on the shelf collecting dust, just a bit too in-depth for me.
 
#12
Downloaded Company of Heroes Demo overnight (1,8 Gbyte), unzipped (ages), and installed (ages). Mightely impressed, think I will buy the full version when it's out later this month. Annoyed me that you couldn't zoom out int the main screen more, and that there was no help button, or rules that could be printed out - but I guess that would follow with the full version.

Think I'll start with this, as a way of, well, getting started!

Thanks for all the help!
 
#13
you should try the close combat series for platoon/company size, or if naval / air is of interest then Harpoon 3 is a must,it has just been released by Matrix games.
 
#14
Not sure if they're still available but the old Talonsoft series - East Front, West Front and Rising Sun were all turn-based strategy games giving you btn, regt, bde and corp level options. Downside was that the graphics and sound were a bit ropey but I still recall many happily wasted hours :D

lancslad
 
#15
After playing the demo, would definately recommend Company of Heroes once it comes out (if you feel your PC can handle the high requirements).

- Completely destructable terrain and man made objects.
- Basic infantry sections are superbly versatile as are support units.
- Your infantry / engineer sections can use enemy weapons when you kill the troops (mortars, MGs etc), aswell as the weapons of their support units when they die.
- small arms rounds, shells etc can miss / hit terrain / buildings.
- Units increase in veterency / ability as they engage in combat.
- No silly healthbars with regards to rifle fire depleting the healthbar of a tank. Like Black and White 2, only certain weapons can destroy certain targets.
 
#16
Glasgow_Jock said:
After playing the demo, would definately recommend Company of Heroes once it comes out (if you feel your PC can handle the high requirements).

- Completely destructable terrain and man made objects.
- Basic infantry sections are superbly versatile as are support units.
- Your infantry / engineer sections can use enemy weapons when you kill the troops (mortars, MGs etc), aswell as the weapons of their support units when they die.
- small arms rounds, shells etc can miss / hit terrain / buildings.
- Units increase in veterency / ability as they engage in combat.
- No silly healthbars with regards to rifle fire depleting the healthbar of a tank. Like Black and White 2, only certain weapons can destroy certain targets.
I have now tried the demo a couple of times, and am not as enthusiastic as I was initially.

A major fault (for me) was not being able to zoom out far enough in the main screen to have a better view of deployments, possible routes etc. Also, I thought it was difficult to give the different squads different tasks, or routes to a task, because I had to pan all the time, instead of being able to zoom out. The tactical screen was no use, because it was panned out TOO much.

The other thing is that I was after something that was as realistic as possible, and it just irritated me that there are so many "game-like" rules. I.e. in order to increase resources, you have to capture various flags in all directions around you ("Strategic Points"), instead of securing your supply lines (behind you) as you would in real life.

Otherwise, I have to admit that graphically it is tremendous.
 
#18
I think this might be the kind of thing you're looking for

http://www.battlefront.com/

I'd particularly focus on the Combat Mission series.
 
#19
I agree / appreciate the points that you've raised with regards to CoH. In addition to the negatives raised, I also found it quite frustrating trying to simultaenously cope with being attacked on 2-3 fronts and move the proper units to deal with the threat in time.

Loathe how you need to gain resources as you mentioned.

Aside from that, hoping the multiplayer aspect when the full version releases will make defence / attack more focused / enjoyable. Pre-ordered it anyway. If I get bored I'll just revert back to the timeless classic that is Command and conquer red alert 1 - sometimes graphics / gameplay aren't everything!
 

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