strange comparison - but valid?

Discussion in 'Afghanistan' started by Grumblegrunt, Aug 24, 2011.

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  1. Grumblegrunt

    Grumblegrunt LE Book Reviewer

  2. Grumblegrunt

    Grumblegrunt LE Book Reviewer

  3. Not really a valid comparison, given that the Americans are already eager to withdraw from Afghanistan, and all the Taliban has to do is keep a lid on major operations for a couple of years, whilst reinforcing its local infrastructure and control on the quiet (nobody in the Pentagon gives a toss how many village chiefs get nailed to trees and have their innards wound out on a burning stick). The Vietminh fear before Tet was that decline in kinetic operations would enable a proper pacification strategy to be put in place which would sap their local influence, and cost them the population (following classic doctrine, described but hardly invented by Mao, as the insurgent fish swimming in the sea of the population).

    Rising urbanisation and the declining rural population of the countryside were the dangers to the Vietminh. These factors are not significant in Afghanistan.
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  4. Grumblegrunt

    Grumblegrunt LE Book Reviewer

    the US had pretty much won vietnam though as tet had failed the VC was destroyed so the NVA had to move into the open warfare stage of the insurgency. yet they lost because of what was going on at home. just like the current situation.

    I like the 'you have the watches but we have the time' quote :)
  5. jim24

    jim24 Book Reviewer

    I'll just wait for the book before giving an opinion, "The Bright And Shinning Lie" vol2 Afghanistan
  6. The Vietminh was very badly mauled, but would have grown back. The US was able to beat back conventional attack with conventional defence - fighting the war that Harkins and then Westmoreland had wanted to fight all along - but it couldn't secure the future. The failure of Tet gave the US 3-4 years of breathing space to get a figleaf 'peace with honour' bit of cover for bugging out whilst the bugging was good.

    What did for the Yanks with the public, wasn't any propaganda victory for the Vietminh/DRV, but the overspinning of their own earlier successes to the point where nobody believed them when they claimed victory now. The Pentagon had been proclaiming victory since about 1962 and had priced themselves out of the market for truth.
  7. Absolutely right. However the Viet Minh were only one member group of Cong San (literally the Patriots,) all the groups were centrally controlled and directed from North Vietnam. As opposed to being numerous factions and clans with distinct religious biases as in Afghanistan.

    So, on several fronts the comparison between Vietnam and Afghanistan is incorrect. Except perhaps, for the final result.
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  8. What a bunch of thick ***** those people are who commented on this article..

    "There are many reasons why the US is still in Afghanistan. The main reason is money, The AIPAC sponsered politicians of the US get checks from the Israeli's every time they vote to borrow more money from China to fight the Pashtun. That's right the US has purposely got involved in a civil war between the Pashtun and Northern Alliance forces in order to prolong the suffering and ensueing war profits, but population control is also very desirable to the Israelis who are jealous of the Pashtuns ethnic links to the ancient Israelites of the Bible."

    It really does make you wonder where these people get their opinions from.
  9. Grumblegrunt

    Grumblegrunt LE Book Reviewer

    what's even scarier is they have a vote!!!!!! tea party anyone?

    isnt glen beck off to israel soon? or has he been.