Straight to p company

#1
I am in the process of joining the army and would like to know , if i make it through basics, would it be better to go straight in to try for p company or should I get my trade first? I have a bit of time to make my decision but the sooner i do the more time i have to get myself ready for the fitness aspect of paras.
 
#2
Join a corps, get a trade and do P coy from there. Don't throw away your education by joining a Para battalion. Think long term, what's more usefull when you leave the army, being able to work a motar or having City and Guilds/NVQs in mechanics etc :?:
 
#3
But cant I still do my trade after doing paras? I thought it was possible. Are there any limits on joining p company?
 
#4
Pond-life is entirely correct :wink: You would be much better off joining a corps (e.g. Signals, Engineers etc). Having achieved some form of trade qualification you can then apply for a posting to the appropriate unit (216 Sig Sqn, 9 (Para) Sqn RE) and apply for P Coy. If you are unsuccessful, you are still in with a good job and a reasonably good set of career options.

If you join the Parachute Regiment, then cannot complete P Coy (for whatever reason), you may well find yourself restricted to a career of digging holes in the ground, with a whole selection of qualifications in stagging on!!

Remember, the Paras are Infanteers. Parachuting is just another method of getting them to where they are needed. The specialists (Sigs, Engrs, Arty etc) all use parachuting to get where they need to be in order to do their job.....
 
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Edwards159

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#5
Depends on whether you want to be a proper para or a toy para. meaning if you do p-coy in the engineers and join 9 Squadron you get the maroon beret but not the para cap badge you keep the engineers cap badge. To some people that means alot to them. Also if you do join 9 squadron you are only allowed to stay in there for a limited amount of time, i believe its 2 years.

I am finishing off my A-levels and i start para basic in august. I did think about going for a trade for a long time but i really want to be in a para battalion so thats what ive gone for.
 
#6
Thanks for the tips guys. I still have a bit of time and loads of people are probably going to try and convince me during basics as to what path to follow. But as you said it would be better to get a trade first.
 
#7
OK to hansie and edwards159. I'm sure you do not need to be told this but just in case. What you are doing will be very tough - on top of transition from civvy to soldier you will be taking on a massive physical load. Civilian 'fit' doesn't hack it in any way.
 
#8
You can serve in 9 (Para) Sqn RE or in any part of 23 Engr Regt for 5 years. You can then go to 49 (EOD) Sqn RE where they have a para trained troop. This will be for about 3 years. You can then go back to 9 Sqn. You have also got the option of cross posting between Sqns in 23. Just because somebody does the All Arms P Coy it doesn't mean they are a plastic para. It means they have an ounce of sense not to join the infantry, to get a trade and not throw their life away by not making use of their potential. Thickets like Edwards are happy just jumping out of planes and being told what to do. Join a corps, get a trade and you will be treated like a human being as opposed to a complete fcukwit!
 
#9
Theres 2 guys who work at the gym i go to. Ones an ex para and ones a ex scotts guards, they have both told me they wished they joined a corp instead of the infantry.
 
#11
Excellent comments Plant Life, obviously hold our infantry in fine regard then... Tosser!

As for the young lad thinking of joining the Regiment listen to what people are saying to you. Life in The Parachute Regiment is great but there is more to the army than the infantry and although it is not the end all/be all a "Trade" is handy for civilian employment at the end of your service. The Air Assault Brigade has some good support units and 9 Para Sqn RE is just one of them and I would have a look at the options before you take the plunge.

The Paras will give you a good start in life but will also give you knackered knees, spinal compression, and dodgy ankles....

What ever you decide to do best of luck.
 
#12
There seem to be loads of conflicting ideas about what is best but I think you are right about getting a trade first. I also heard though that there is a waiting time of about 6 months for the trade I want to do so it seems that the best time to join paras would be straight out of basics. Since then i would supposedly be at my fittest not like if I had done my trade and then sat on my butt for a few months.
 
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#13
Thickets like Edwards are happy just jumping out of planes and being told what to do.
If you have the impression that i am thick as shit because i am joining the parachute regiment, you are completely wrong. I would put money on you being more of a 'thicket' than myself. I had 6A's, 3'B's and 2C's at GCSE and doing 3 A-levels now, so you work it out mate.

Im joining the parachute regiment because that is what i want to do, thats where my hearts at. If i wanted to get a trade i would get one in civvie street and earn twice as much as apposed to the army.

If i am successful in training and get to battalion, after a few years i could specialise (signals platoon etc) and get some qualifcations there. Fair enough the qualifications are not to the same extent as if i were to join a tech corps. If the paras recognise my qualifications and i go in with a good attitude then i may be offered a commision later on in my career. If not then fair enough.

It would also be possible to transfer from the paras to a tech corps later on in my career of that is what i wanted to do.

However after lots of research ive decided to go for the approach which im taking now. i start in august.
 

maninblack

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#14
Ultimately it is your decision as it is your life but do bear in mind that these forums contain the distilled knowledge of several thousand years service in the army.

Looking at it from age 17 the hill in front of you looks very big and you are keen to get to the top of it. Looking back on it twenty odd years later the real hill that needs climbing is a working career of 45 years not just the 22 that the army offers.

I would seriously advise you to seek a recognised trade first, second, third and then look at chasing berets, badges and women.
 
#15
Edwards159 said:
Thickets like Edwards are happy just jumping out of planes and being told what to do.
If you have the impression that i am thick as s*** because i am joining the parachute regiment, you are completely wrong. I would put money on you being more of a 'thicket' than myself. I had 6A's, 3'B's and 2C's at GCSE and doing 3 A-levels now, so you work it out mate.

Im joining the parachute regiment because that is what i want to do, thats where my hearts at. If i wanted to get a trade i would get one in civvie street and earn twice as much as apposed to the army.

If i am successful in training and get to battalion, after a few years i could specialise (signals platoon etc) and get some qualifcations there. Fair enough the qualifications are not to the same extent as if i were to join a tech corps. If the paras recognise my qualifications and i go in with a good attitude then i may be offered a commision later on in my career. If not then fair enough.

It would also be possible to transfer from the paras to a tech corps later on in my career of that is what i wanted to do.

However after lots of research ive decided to go for the approach which im taking now. i start in august.
It's your call. You want to be an infantryman? Fine, it's a good job, until you're too old to do it and then the possibilities from age 40-70 are... limited. You want to be a paratrooper? Equally fine, the Parachute Regiment is a fine unit, with a long and proud tradition. Entirely your call.

However, as maninblack says, most of us around here have many years' service and quite a number have done their time and are now struggling with civilian life again. There's no guarantee you'll do 22 years, no guarantee you won't get hurt or ill or otherwise unfit for duty. All the collective experience around here is saying is "keep an eye on the future".
 
#16
OK my tuppence, FTR I have not dine P Company, I went a different route, but have worked with many types with berets different shades of the rainbow

hansie350: I am going to buck the trend here and advise you to go para straight from the factory, yes, yes, yes its all nics going the "get a trade" first route, but once you have arrived in a unit you can be stuck there for a VERY long time, when I volutenteered out of my unit it took 2 and a half years to get where I wanted to be, yes thats extreme but you would be shocked at the levels that units go to so that they can retain someone. Missing paperwork is a classic, i was even told by an officer that he had spoken to the unit in question and they didn't want anyone at my rank, all bollox. Added to that once you join your unit, the beer will flow, you will discover every skive known to man and the next thing you now your a tape up and 5 years down the line, running up hills loses its appeal. Fast forward another 10 and you end up a bitter person becuase you suddenly realise that you never did the thing you joined up for. For everyone who has said "get a trade first", what don't parachute units run trade course then ? Do you just get your wings and that the last course you do ?

Edwards159: Going Para Regt ? Good for you, sod what anyone says, do the thing that is most in your heart, when I went to my ACIO I asked for Para Regt and the staff jumped through hoops to get me to change to a trade due to scoring high on my enterance exam, after several interviews I relented, I would never change the past but I do really think life would have been different. very different if I got my way. But I would like to point one thing out to you mate, don't EVER refer to non-para regt paras as "Toy", I know a guy who was Para Regt and rebadged 7 Para RHA for a trade, he point blankly stated that the All Arms P Company is much tougher than the Para Regt one, how come ? Because in Para Regt Basic you are moulded over a series of months to prepare you for P Company, fail and you get back squadded, the All Arms course is much shorter and higher impact, I belive that there are a hell of a lot more injuries on this course because of it, fail and you fail either back to your unit or RTU to a "hat " regt

To both of you guys, life is only lived once, do whats in your hearts
 
#17
Edwards. For someone who has not even started, let alone finished, Depot Para you have a lot to say. Get rid of the gob and the logo until you have earnt it then we will be interested to hear your contribution. You have a 1 in 5 chance of passing first time if the failure rates are the same as the mid 1980's with approx. half of the failures being discharged the Army as no longer fit to serve. If you have a trade you have not wrecked yourself for nowt.

Good luck and keep the zinc oxide handy.
 
#18
I'm 100% blinkered on this, if your set on joining The Parachute Regiment. THEN DO IT.......if you want a trade then join a Corps not Para Regt. Others have said it already most support units have Para trained Sqn / Companies etc you can go that route........but you will not be badged Para Regt. Don't forget you can also transfer out of Para Regt into AN Other unit later (been done by more than a few) if you later feel the need.

But do not be put off by anyone, either the patronizing cnuts on here or some t*sser at the ACIO, feeding you the line about the inf being thick. I know plenty of former Para's who have got themselves a BSc, MSc and who hold down demanding jobs. Several also run their own companies.........infact I'd like some of the earlier posters to meet some of these people so they can call them 'thick' to their faces, now that would be interesting.
 

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#19
Now, I am an old guy, in fact I am X-Inf (at home) but the Regt v Support elements is bollocks. It does not matter what area in the army you are looking to join, the principles are the same. Para Regt are infantry - that is their job! Para trained Sappers, Drop Shorts, Scallies, Blanket Stackers, Cooks, Bottle Washers et al are there to support said Regt. However they are there; they have to not only do their trade but learn how to fall out of perfectly good aircraft. They will fall out in the same area and will support the infantry in the hope that these knuckle draggers sill keep the bad guys away until the ground troops arrive.

Decide what you want to do with your life and get in and get on with it. Remember, in these days of cuts (sorry reorganisation and FAS), there is no slack and all are needed.

Join, suffer and enjoy. :wink:
 
#20
Nice one edwards you make it sound as if you where at goose green . You are not even a para so how can you give advice .A few years at your Bn then you can give advice .
To the guy who is asking the question , trade is the sensible option , but is there any esteem in in a trade ? . Before the old and bold kick off , remember when you were young , did you always take the sensible option . In short my advice is dont listen to knobbers like edwards , they have done nothing and its guys like him that give the Paras (a fine fighting force ) a bad name . There are a lot of good expirenced guys here . Listen to them , take on all there points and make up your own mind . As for trades in para reg forget it except M.T. . Sigs like in recce regiments is made out to be great . its not and you get sod all quals at the end . GOOD LUCK!!!!!
 

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