Stoptober!

#1
The latest government health wheeze is to get smokers to give up smoking for the month of October, a month without smoking puts most people on the path of abstinence.

I'm not interested in the rights and wrongs of smoking itself, that has been done lots elsewhere, my questions are these;

If nobody buys tobacco or related goods for the month, how would the government deal with the loss of several millions £££ of duty, how many small traders would go to the wall?

If it worked, and say two thirds of smokers packed up, what would the long term loss of revenue do to government finances? Would the health benefits offset the loss of those revenues?

Bearing in mind that the sudden mass buying of petrol late last year, or earlier this one pushed up revenue significantly. Also that the cash from fuel has dropped, as cars become more efficient, and people do make less journeys for the planet's sake; causing the government to look at new ways of getting money from motorists. Pay per mile etc.

Has this idea been thought through?
 

Bouillabaisse

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#2
You're forgetting that the biggest "socio-economic group" that smokes couldn't give a **** what the government says and are, generally, in receipt of welfare payments.
 
#3
That pontificating(pompous) scrote HB will be along shortly to add his six pennarth.
 
#4
You're forgetting that the biggest "socio-economic group" that smokes couldn't give a **** what the government says and are, generally, in receipt of welfare payments.
..... and they are most likely smoking fags upon which no tax or duty has been paid anyway....
 
#5
I appreciate that, what I wondered, in purely economic terms, is what would the effect be if the PM's secretary rattles in tomorrow screaming,

'Nobody's buying fags, lighters, or matches! BAT are on the blower, their factories are on slow time, less fuel is being bought as there is no stock to be moved, corner shops are feeling the pinch already.'

That's why I put it here rather than chuck it into the smoking good or bad pot. I guess this is more could the government survive the drop in income if their 'dream' came true?
 
#6
the loss of several millions £££ of duty
£11.1bn last financial year

But that's alright. All the non-smokers are more than happy to make that up through tax increases on their earnings, pensions and whatever else the government has to hit to keep up its revenues.

Just as long as their do-gooding interfering nonsensical arrogance has been pandered too and noone smokes anymore.
 
#7
If they really wanted people to stop smoking, then they'd just ban it. However, since that's political suicide and the only reason for wanting people to give up is because it's a stupid habit doesn't really pass the financial test, which is why they go about smoking in such a half arsed way.

The revenue it brings in is very important to the treasury, so they want to be seen to be trying to get people to stop, whilst hoping that people don't.
 

TheIronDuke

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#8
You're forgetting that the biggest "socio-economic group" that smokes couldn't give a **** what the government says and are, generally, in receipt of welfare payments.
Zat a fact? My 40 a day go on my company Amex, I stick them on the card when I buy fuel. That goes down as 'travel' and is paid monthly by me firm. Which pays taxes. Which in turn, allows deadbeats like you to pontificate on smokers.

That said, you are right. I couldn't give a **** what the Government says. I pay accountants to do that.
 
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Mr_Tigger

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#10
You're forgetting that the biggest "socio-economic group" that smokes couldn't give a **** what the government says and are, generally, in receipt of welfare payments.
That is bloody libellous. My occasional smoking is a great pleasure, I don't give a **** what the government says and I get raped by the taxman to pay for the underclass.
 
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Mr_Tigger

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#12
I have been considering investing in a pipe for sometime. I think it would please me greatly but I have been put off my the idea I might feel faintly ridiculous. But Stoptober! Stoptober! That has sealed the deal. Next time I am in London I am piping up.
 

TheIronDuke

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#14
I have been considering investing in a pipe for sometime. I think it would please me greatly but I have been put off my the idea I might feel faintly ridiculous. But Stoptober! Stoptober! That has sealed the deal. Next time I am in London I am piping up.
Stop poncing about and go for a half billiard.

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One gently cradles it in ones fist whilst looking educated and interesting. If any **** hints that you may look faintly ridiculous you can go "Hmm. Good point" whilst quietly reversing the pipe and taking their ****ing eye out with the stem.

Also keeps ones hands warm.
 
#15
Couldn't care, weed's not taxed.

Perhaps if the government, (whatever flavour), stopped trying to fiddle with everything in our lives and concentrated on what they were voted in for. Like emptying bins, building roads, sticking plasters on wounded knees, and properly educating the kids.
The extra money can be easily found by scrapping all these initiatives, and let people make their own choice.
 
#18
I have been considering investing in a pipe for sometime. I think it would please me greatly but I have been put off my the idea I might feel faintly ridiculous. But Stoptober! Stoptober! That has sealed the deal. Next time I am in London I am piping up.
I bought a rather fine carved wooden Bavarian pipe in the late 90s. It cost 50p from the Imperial Cancer Research charity shop.

I fancy the previous owner had no further use for it.
 

TheIronDuke

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#19
I bought a rather fine carved wooden Bavarian pipe in the late 90s. It cost 50p from the Imperial Cancer Research charity shop.

I fancy the previous owner had no further use for it.
Was the bowl carved into an old geezer with a beard? And the stem a sort of yellow-amber colour?

The previous owner knows where you ****ing live son. Giz me pipe. Now.
 
#20
This is a pretty daft question. Quite obviously if the Government lose revenue from one or two things, then they will raise it from elsewhere. Hopefully any remaining smokers will have to pay extra, but that won't be enough. Maybe they'll put a tax on chocolate to compensate, that should do it.


Here's an example. Ages ago the residents of the Isle of Wight cut back on water use to save money. Because the water company lost revenue through this, they just put up the unit cost of water. Scale that up to Gov'ment level and they'll do likewise but on a larger scale.
 

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