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#1
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/south_east/8331052.stm

The death of anyone is sad. To die whilst training in peacetime is tragic. But this poor lad was undergoing a 'reprimand', there must have been something wrong with him medically for this to have happened and I'm sure if the weakness was known about, this wouldn't have happened.

What had he done to require a 'sorting out'?

I'm re-reading Lt Col AD Wintle MC 's book 'The Last Englishman' at the moment and he states, I believe correctly, that you 'can't have a military without having militarism'.

Who hasn't been 'beasted'? Whether it be 'get down and give me 20' or 'Last one round those sheep and back again' or marking time wearing a steel helmet (no spider) with a fire extinguisher over your head? Frankly, it all comes back to 'don't join if you can't take a joke' or if you don't want a fcuking good rifting, don't act like a tit.

http://www.stopbeastingsinthearmy.com/
 
#2
Queensman said:
Who hasn't been 'beasted'? Whether it be 'get down and give me 20' or 'Last one round those sheep and back again' or marking time wearing a steel helmet (no spider) with a fire extinguisher over your head? Frankly, it all comes back to 'don't join if you can't take a joke' or if you don't want a fcuking good rifting, don't act like a tit.

http://www.stopbeastingsinthearmy.com/
You haven't had a good beasting have you? :lol:
 
#3
Queensman said:
What had he done to require a 'sorting out'?

Who hasn't been 'beasted'? Whether it be 'get down and give me 20' or 'Last one round those sheep and back again' or marking time wearing a steel helmet (no spider) with a fire extinguisher over your head? Frankly, it all comes back to 'don't join if you can't take a joke' or if you don't want a fcuking good rifting, don't act like a tit.
I'll answer in two parts, if I can.

i) He'd let off a fire extinguisher while drunk. Obviously in this Health & Safety culture, it's more of a serious offence than it used to be. I'm passing on this information third-hand (i.e. someone who instructed on my PTI course knew one of the APTCI (PT Corps) gents who took the 'beasting'. He was paraded first thing in the morning, still a little hungover/drunk, and from what I understand, the CO/OC said something along the lines of, 'Get him away, I want him back here sober in xx hours.'.
A combination of over-exertion and residual dehydration caused a severe heat injury.

ii) Obviously, I'm not PT Corps, and I can't speak for their training, but on the PTI course you are given specific lessons on dehydration and exertion whilst suffering from alcohol dehydration. And, in my opinion (and only mine), there is no place for un-constructive beastings. It is true that PT should not be used a punishment. And the attitude of 'Hey, it's all a laugh.', has, in today's litigious society, been replaced, and quite rightly so, with a more careful spirit.

I'm all for taking good hard PT sessions, but these guys really do have very little comeback.
 
#4
Not sure what your getting at here Q. I'm all in favour of some correctional PT The Shell being a good one when common sense is applied but in this case and in my opinion based on what I know the Provo went over the top, common sense should have prevailed, Tit or not.

Tango, just read your post. It was the Adj mate with the phrase to the Provo I want you to melt him or something along those lines. The Adj was not happy about something that went on outside the Officers mess and yes a fire extinguisher was involved
 
#5
But this poor lad was undergoing a 'reprimand', there must have been something wrong with him medically for this to have happened and I'm sure if the weakness was known about, this wouldn't have happened.
Have you seen "The Hill"?

Normally blokes give up before they do themselves damage. In this case, it looks like the soldier was pretty determined. With that sort of willpower, it's doubly saddening that he died.
 
#6
in my opinion based on what I know the Provo went over the top.

Have you ever known a Provo that didn't?
 
#7
THESUNJOCK said:
Tango, just read your post. It was the Adj mate with the phrase to the Provo I want you to melt him or something along those lines. The Adj was not happy about something that went on outside the Officers mess and yes a fire extinguisher was involved
Ah ok, thanks SJ, it was a while back that I was told, the details were/are a little fuzzy!
 
#9
Queensman said:
I'm re-reading Lt Col AD Wintle MC 's book 'The Last Englishman' at the moment and he states, I believe correctly, that you 'can't have a military without having militarism'.
While I do agree completely with yourself, and by extension Lt Col Wintle's statement, I do believe there is a very clear line, which should not be crossed. There is a massive difference between 'robust' (useful word that!), constructive physical training, and OTT, unplanned beastings that are more harmful than helpful (extremely harmful in this case).
 
#11
Tango said:
Obviously, I'm not PT Corps, and I can't speak for their training, but on the PTI course you are given specific lessons on dehydration and exertion whilst suffering from alcohol dehydration. And, in my opinion (and only mine), there is no place for un-constructive beastings. It is true that PT should not be used a punishment. And the attitude of 'Hey, it's all a laugh.', has, in today's litigious society, been replaced, and quite rightly so, with a more careful spirit.
We're training blokes to slam bayonets into human skulls under fire.
 
#12
DeltaDog said:
We're training blokes to slam bayonets into human skulls under fire.
Very true, we are training them to kill others, but not killing our own in the process.

edited to add: In much the same way you wouldn't make someone with a suspected ankle injury do alternate knees to chest, someone suffering from dehydration (as one of the chief symptoms of excessive alcohol consumption) shouldn't be subjected to something which will cause even more dehydration.
 
#13
DeltaDog said:
Tango said:
Obviously, I'm not PT Corps, and I can't speak for their training, but on the PTI course you are given specific lessons on dehydration and exertion whilst suffering from alcohol dehydration. And, in my opinion (and only mine), there is no place for un-constructive beastings. It is true that PT should not be used a punishment. And the attitude of 'Hey, it's all a laugh.', has, in today's litigious society, been replaced, and quite rightly so, with a more careful spirit.
We're training blokes to slam bayonets into human skulls under fire.
Yes but was also train them in the ROE :wink:
 
#15
Tango said:
DeltaDog said:
We're training blokes to slam bayonets into human skulls under fire.
Very true, we are training them to kill others, but not killing our own in the process.

edited to add: In much the same way you wouldn't make someone with a suspected ankle injury do alternate knees to chest, someone suffering from dehydration (as one of the chief symptoms of excessive alcohol consumption) shouldn't be subjected to something which will cause even more dehydration.
Youve obviously never spent a couple of hours being trashed up and down the mudflats, Im of the opinion that 1 death per intake, the token scouse cheekyboy or tea leafing jock would do, and preferably dying publicly would instill a bit more 'ooomph' in the rest of the chaps
 
#16
Not enough people allow for the fact that Reni is receiving training as a primary school teacher ready for his leaving date.
 
#17
reni_77 said:
Youve obviously never spent a couple of hours being trashed up and down the mudflats, Im of the opinion that 1 death per intake, the token scouse cheekyboy or tea leafing jock would do, and preferably dying publicly would instill a bit more 'ooomph' in the rest of the chaps
Very true, I have remained mudflat free (can't have my lovely white vest getting mud on it!), and taking your comments as "slightly" tongue in cheek, I agree on the Scouse/Jock front.
 
#18
It's pretty simple really, though, isn't it? Some things cause intense local pain - like pokey drill and wall sitting, and some things cause massive increases in core temperature.

Question 1 -

On a hot day would you punish a dehydrated pi*s-artist by causing them local pain in their shoulders and quads, or by trying to get them as hot as possible?
 
#19
gobbyidiot said:
Question 1 -

On a hot day would you punish a dehydrated pi*s-artist by causing them local pain in their shoulders and quads, or by trying to get them as hot as possible?
In all honesty, and not meaning to sound like a c*ck, neither. Simply tell them (very nicely), to go and sober up, drink plenty of water, and then report once sober. Sometimes the anticipation is worse than the 'interview without coffee'!
 
#20
The comments are rather amusing on that there web site.
 

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