Stiff Upper Lip

I think that the clapping at 8pm and massive signs saying Thank you NHS is all a bit sad TBH.
First night of clapping was fair enough but it now seems a bit virtue signally and firms a jumping on the bandwagon to be seen to support the current heros.

I think the NHS workers that are actually at risk might appreciate some kind of operational / danger bonus in their pay packets for the period instead of some pots and pans being banged together.
 
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Joker62

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Walking through Fiumicino airport, I spotted a group of students practically rolling around on the floor laughing - but without making a sound.
Then one of them started signing rapidly. When he finished, they all burst out into silent laughter again.
Marcel Marceau would have eaten his heart out.
Until then I had never thought about how deaf mutes tell jokes and respond.
It was fascinating!
Wait until you see them having a barney, it's like a scene from "Fists of Fury", hands flying around at 100mph!
 
Why do you hate the NHS?
I don't. Both SWMBO and myself worked for the NHS in the 70s - 80s. I was a lab tech, she was a sister in ITU.
I have great respect for the NHS, I just don't think this happy-clappy stuff is appropriate.
 
It's outright hagiography, that's what it is. The British public soon forget their "heroes" though. I wonder how the healthcare workers and nurses will cope with the sudden lack of attention and adulation when the next group of "heroes" are identified?

I think it reflects more upon us as a society tbh. Ultimately it boils down to selfishness and self-aggrendisement - the overwhelming desire to be seen to "do something" deemed virtuous. Wootton Basset took up the slack after Diana - and since then its just been a never-ending path of wristbands, grief-whoring and scraping for tenuous links to whatever is in the news that day.

If anything, it shows that today's western society would never be able to cope with another full scale war.
 

Joker62

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It's outright hagiography, that's what it is. The British public soon forget their "heroes" though. I wonder how the healthcare workers and nurses will cope with the sudden lack of attention and adulation when the next group of "heroes" are identified?

I think it reflects more upon us as a society tbh. Ultimately it boils down to selfishness and self-aggrendisement - the overwhelming desire to be seen to "do something" deemed virtuous. Wootton Basset took up the slack after Diana - and since then its just been a never-ending path of wristbands, grief-whoring and scraping for tenuous links to whatever is in the news that day.

If anything, it shows that today's western society would never be able to cope with another full scale war.
This popped up on FB the other day:- "
So they've announced that all frontline workers should be treated like us (the military) when we come back from a warzone.....
Personally i think its a bit shit to abandon them, with no help and expect them to live on the streets when you consider all they've done and are doing. And then take them to court for manslaughter by negligence for the patients they couldn't save, in forty years or so.
"
 
This popped up on FB the other day:- "
So they've announced that all frontline workers should be treated like us (the military) when we come back from a warzone.....
Personally i think its a bit shit to abandon them, with no help and expect them to live on the streets when you consider all they've done and are doing. And then take them to court for manslaughter by negligence for the patients they couldn't save, in forty years or so.
"
Starting to notice a fair bit of tag-teaming on facebook now, on local groups. "Hi, I've got a load of spare facemasks which I....wondered if anybody wants some" - quickly jumped on by that person's best mate with "Hi - I work at the hospital and I'm sure my colleagues would appreciate them"....followed by what the bait was intended for: "Thanks for all the hard work you are doing" type shit...
It's getting a bit like z-list celebrities...someone feels they need a bit of attention - just post on fb you are making fasemasks or accidentally let slip you work for the NHS "Anybody know anything about Vauxhall Veever clutches..I have one in the cellar but - ...as I'm a critical care nurse..."
 

Joker62

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Starting to notice a fair bit of tag-teaming on facebook now, on local groups. "Hi, I've got a load of spare facemasks which I....wondered if anybody wants some" - quickly jumped on by that person's best mate with "Hi - I work at the hospital and I'm sure my colleagues would appreciate them"....followed by what the bait was intended for: "Thanks for all the hard work you are doing" type shit...
It's getting a bit like z-list celebrities...someone feels they need a bit of attention - just post on fb you are making fasemasks or accidentally let slip you work for the NHS "Anybody know anything about Vauxhall Veever clutches..I have one in the cellar but - ...as I'm a critical care nurse..."
There's a local brewery doing a stunning line in discounts for key workers. When I say key workers, I should add that it's only for NHS, Police and Fire Brigades.... oh, and f'kin teachers!!

From the website:- "The Cronx Brewery & @thecronxbar we want to saya huge thank you to key workers in Croydon & the surrounding areas that have looked after us all! To show our appreciation there is a 20% discount for NHS employees, Police, Firefighters & Teachers"
 
It's outright hagiography, that's what it is. The British public soon forget their "heroes" though. I wonder how the healthcare workers and nurses will cope with the sudden lack of attention and adulation when the next group of "heroes" are identified?

I think it reflects more upon us as a society tbh. Ultimately it boils down to selfishness and self-aggrendisement - the overwhelming desire to be seen to "do something" deemed virtuous. Wootton Basset took up the slack after Diana - and since then its just been a never-ending path of wristbands, grief-whoring and scraping for tenuous links to whatever is in the news that day.

If anything, it shows that today's western society would never be able to cope with another full scale war.

Influencers are going to be the next heroes

After all who do the public listen to the most for scientific advice, but random vloggers on social media
 

Mufulira

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Isn't that cultural appropriation, how did they get away with such a blatant display of racism?

And did they do black face like Justin Trudeau?
IIRC the best imitation of Justin Trudeau' ever so caring response for medical help from remote aboriginal settlements was when they sent up 19,000 body bags ... hard to not notice!
 

Mufulira

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There's a local brewery doing a stunning line in discounts for key workers. When I say key workers, I should add that it's only for NHS, Police and Fire Brigades.... oh, and f'kin teachers!!

From the website:- "The Cronx Brewery & @thecronxbar we want to saya huge thank you to key workers in Croydon & the surrounding areas that have looked after us all! To show our appreciation there is a 20% discount for NHS employees, Police, Firefighters & Teachers"
Teachers cadging discounted suds --- can't imagine that!
 

Fang_Farrier

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It's outright hagiography, that's what it is. The British public soon forget their "heroes" though. I wonder how the healthcare workers and nurses will cope with the sudden lack of attention and adulation when the next group of "heroes" are identified?.

To be honest I'm missing hearing "I hate the dentist" 2 or 3 times a day.


And that's just from my nurses
 
Whilst I agree with some of those things (yes, my daughter is a nurse and does find the clapping a tad embarrassing, so much so that she was quite relieved when she got some minor symptoms and now works from home and doesn't have to go out) you may want to rethink you bit about gloves, face masks and spread by touch.
Yes, when little was known about it, that was the thinking. Now we know a bit more then studies show that transmitting it by touch is quite rare compared to transmitting it by droplets in the air.
So much so that Spain is going to make the wearing of face masks compulsory in public places in the next couple of days because, although our guy in charge of the coordination of the crisis (Francisco Simon, a noted virologist who was a director of the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine as an epidemiologist) said they aren't very effective at protecting you, they can give up to 75% protection of you giving it to someone else. So if everyone wears one fine, it's the ones who don't wear them that can give it to you while you are doing your best to protect them. They have been compulsory on public transport and are issued free at bus and train stations and taxis have to have a supply.
There are two reasons for making them compulsory (with exceptions for certain conditions) and they are 1/ as we have moved on a phase in the return to the "new normal" (new buzzword round here) there are more people out and about. Until recently, it was a complete lockdown but now you can go for a walk, go to the beach (but no swimming) and sit outside in cafes if the tables are at least 2m away from each other though still only one in the shop and 2/ the availability of the medical type masks. Now, apart from being issued free, every supermarket is selling boxes of them (€6 for a pack of 10 which can be washed 3 times).

You may not think the face masks are doing any good but more and more studies (yeah, I know, bloody experts) are saying they do help.

My other daughter in UK tells me that supermarkets round near her are now insisting you don't wear gloves because they can cause infection being spread. Just hand sanitiser now.
Here, if you are wearing gloves when you go in, you get the sanitiser on the gloves and then have to put a pair of their gloves on over the ones you are wearing.

And, yes, I also see the dummies wearing a mask driving a car by themselves. Can't see who they think they are going to infect with only them in the car.

I think we found one of the full ppe to go into the garden people,
That bloke was professor Neil Ferguson and what he said was herd immunity could cost 500k deaths, as its 30k deaths with a massive lockdown maybe he wasnt to far wrong.

The rest of your post reads like a Daily Mail outrage story, how dare the Government try to save lives when you could be out making money.
Then should you get sick, it will be the Governments fault for not protecting you.

Whats that? Your taking the opposite view to somebody else because your a serial contrarian? Oh ok, carry on then if you must.

Your post sounds like a contrarian feminism blog that cherry picks an opinion to to then manufacture a disagreement with, as you do on most other threads that you engage on. For the most part, i enjoy watching you wind people up but i've seen it all before from you so wont be taking you very seriously.
 
I think we found one of the full ppe to go into the garden people,

Let me balance this out a little.

On the one hand, Dr Fernando Simon
Currently Director of coordination for health alerts in the Spanish Ministry of Health
Graduated in Medicine in 1963 at Zaragoza university, Director specialising in Public Health and Epidemiology at the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine
Went on to complete training at the European Centre for Disease and Epidemic Control

Director for the Centre for research in Tropical Disease in Mozambique and in Burundi on the outbreak of Ebola disease which he later lectured on at the London School.
Director of programs at the National Centre of Epidemiology and a coordinator of the health alert and response team at said centre.
Currently a professor at the National School of Public Health and a member of the advisory committee on the European Centre for Disease and Prevention Control.

On the other side of the scales

An anonymous bloke on an internet site that has Googled a couple of websites and has no medical background.
Confesses to laughing out loud at people in supermarkets.
Currently unemployed but once worked as an unspecified consultant (don't people have real jobs anymore?)

Hmm, now when one tells me wearing face masks could protect others from you and could give 75% effective cover, that contacting the virus by touch is very rare and nearly always spread from human to human by moisture in the air
but the other one says face masks are a waste of time any you only need gloves because that's how people get it.
I wonder which one I'm actually going to take advice from?

Let me think it over for a while.
Oh, and another reason for wearing the face mask here in Spain is that it is going to made compulsory after tomorrow. Good enough reason.
 
Whats that? Your taking the opposite view to somebody else because your a serial contrarian? Oh ok, carry on then if you must.

Your post sounds like a contrarian feminism blog that cherry picks an opinion to to then manufacture a disagreement with, as you do on most other threads that you engage on. For the most part, i enjoy watching you wind people up but i've seen it all before from you so wont be taking you very seriously.

Do you not think some people have the same view as me? Do you think its me Vs the entire site?

There was a bloke on here a few years back called A_worker, he was always going on about there being no proof that smoking caused cancer, then he got cancer and stopped gobbing off, then he died of cancer. Your post reminds me of his, ignore the danger because it currently doesnt really affect you.
 

Grumblegrunt

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Herd immunity has happened through several viruses in the past, some of which has wiped out some very high numbers of humans.
Sars was far more deadly but not as contagious as the Covid 19

Even with the lock down there has been a spike in deaths compared to previous years

A lockdown also prevented 30000 plus all piling into the NHS to snuff it at once. That number was reached after nearly 2 months.

except people die in care homes every week and 1700 die every day regardless so why are we not hysterical about that? or the 8000 who die every flu season - no channel four specials on that for some reason.

the figures kept on going up regardless of lock down and many deaths were due to the NHS - a problem repeated around the globe because none of them looked up SARS or actually thought about it properly

when we have a new virus overlapping flu season, when both have the same symptoms and are gateways for pneumonia and other secondary infections there will always be confusion. here though it is being used badly to justify something that was never necessary. this is more infectious because it is new, but it is not a 'killer' virus decimating the public. nasty for some fatal for a tiny number.

the screaming for ventilators when they increased the death rate by 50% for example. the calls for unnecessary PPE to be given out to people without a clue on how to use it and panic buying that screwed life up for millions when it was not necessary.

in calling for a lock down now with such a low death rate they may well have weakened their hand for when a more serious mutation comes along. he had it right in february and the better plan would have been to continue that.

when it returns with flu in the autumn - although with lockdown it is still likely to be here, I shall expect them to cancel xmas and lock everyone down from the end of october at least.
 
except people die in care homes every week and 1700 die every day regardless so why are we not hysterical about that? or the 8000 who die every flu season - no channel four specials on that for some reason.

the figures kept on going up regardless of lock down and many deaths were due to the NHS - a problem repeated around the globe because none of them looked up SARS or actually thought about it properly

when we have a new virus overlapping flu season, when both have the same symptoms and are gateways for pneumonia and other secondary infections there will always be confusion. here though it is being used badly to justify something that was never necessary. this is more infectious because it is new, but it is not a 'killer' virus decimating the public. nasty for some fatal for a tiny number.

the screaming for ventilators when they increased the death rate by 50% for example. the calls for unnecessary PPE to be given out to people without a clue on how to use it and panic buying that screwed life up for millions when it was not necessary.

in calling for a lock down now with such a low death rate they may well have weakened their hand for when a more serious mutation comes along. he had it right in february and the better plan would have been to continue that.

when it returns with flu in the autumn - although with lockdown it is still likely to be here, I shall expect them to cancel xmas and lock everyone down from the end of october at least.

I just said that there has been a spike in deaths, I also pointed out the 30000 were spread out over a couple of months and not all at once due to the lockdown. Im sure people that lived because the NHS coped disagree with you saying that it was not necessary. Incidentally panic buying has nothing to do with government, just the bellend general public.

Why are you talking about SARS? if the death rate was the same as SARS we would be in the shit. SARS was not as contagious as Covid 19, you might as well compare the black death or a normal flu to covid 19.

A pandemic hit and not all the right decisions were made instantly? Theres a surprise. :roll: Cheers Captain Obvious.
 
Do you not think some people have the same view as me? Do you think its me Vs the entire site?

There was a bloke on here a few years back called A_worker, he was always going on about there being no proof that smoking caused cancer, then he got cancer and stopped gobbing off, then he died of cancer. Your post reminds me of his, ignore the danger because it currently doesnt really affect you.

Have a different view then, i'm not stopping you.
 
I don't. Both SWMBO and myself worked for the NHS in the 70s - 80s. I was a lab tech, she was a sister in ITU.
I have great respect for the NHS, I just don't think this happy-clappy stuff is appropriate.
I'm pulling your leg. Social Media says that anyone who refuses to clap for the NHS must hate the organisation. Don't buck the zeitgeist.
 
I'm pulling your leg. Social Media says that anyone who refuses to clap for the NHS must hate the organisation. Don't buck the zeitgeist.
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