Stephen Lawrence - 10 years on

#61
No-one seems to remember that the 'institutionally racist' jibe was actually withdrawn and the originator apologised for making the unwarranted comment.....

And no, I can't find the bloody link at the moment, if you doubt me, check for yourself

Far be it for me to say something nice about the Rozzers, especially The Met, but you can't trust a 'Special' like an old-time copper when you can't find your way home
 

ancienturion

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#63
Yet we can't have a Trafalgar Day, or a Waterloo Day, or an el Alamein Day, or a Commonwealth Day, or an Empire Day, or . . . .
 
#64
Ah, how fortunate then we had a progressive period of "Professionalising the Investigation", leading to an incredible upskiling of CID at both volume and specialist crime levels.

Reversed now, largely thanks to Theresa and Tom's double act

Sadly now we have a Met so screwed you can join straight into CID without any experience.

And non-accredited (ie, not actual detectives) making up the numbers on CID. Which was one of the points made in the 90s. Non-trained and inexperienced officers are set up to fail in the initial response to serious crime and critical incidents, and are not experienced enough to handle 20 to 30 cases at once (I hear of some borough CID having 50 crimes on their sheet)

So Mrs May clearly doesn't actually give a hoot about the lessons, but needs to appear to.

And when the wheel comes off, we'll blame the individual. Rather than the system, always a bit easier.

Never mind.
Policing on the cheap, started with plastic PC's in the 1990's and now under trained/un accredited CID, what could possibly go wrong.
I wonder if it will go full circle and the next government will pump money and resources into the police. Maybe start by putting back "Force" into "Police Force" and building up from there.
 

Joker62

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#65
It isn't as if there is nothing else to commemorate on the 23rd April, I'm no nationalist but today is St George's day (England's patron saint) and also the birthday of William Shakespeare, supposedly our greatest poet and playwright.

Both of these commemorations come to mind a lot quicker than "St Stephen Lawrence" day, who's mother has been ennobled for god knows what. Clear evidence that our politicians have lost their way, and the path to the House of Lords has been made far too easy for the rewards held within.
That's why St Stephen of Lawrence day is on 22nd April.

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#66
No-one seems to remember that the 'institutionally racist' jibe was actually withdrawn and the originator apologised for making the unwarranted comment.....

And no, I can't find the bloody link at the moment, if you doubt me, check for yourself


Far be it for me to say something nice about the Rozzers, especially The Met, but you can't trust a 'Special' like an old-time copper when you can't find your way home
The 'Institutional Racism' comment came from the Macpherson Report following the inquiry by Sir William Macpherson (ex CO 21 SAS) and to my knowledge has never been withdrawn.
 
#67
Policing on the cheap, started with plastic PC's in the 1990's and now under trained/un accredited CID, what could possibly go wrong.
I wonder if it will go full circle and the next government will pump money and resources into the police. Maybe start by putting back "Force" into "Police Force" and building up from there.
I suppose your question depends on who the next government are ;)
I can't see Corbyn being a fan of putting the 'force' back into the police.
 

Sixty

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#68
Neither outright racism nor bypassing the swear filter are tolerated here.
 
#69
That's why St Stephen of Lawrence day is on 22nd April.
Yet another reason to eschew acknowledging my birthday, then.

FFS...
 
#70
No-one seems to remember that the 'institutionally racist' jibe was actually withdrawn and the originator apologised for making the unwarranted comment.....

And no, I can't find the bloody link at the moment, if you doubt me, check for yourself

Far be it for me to say something nice about the Rozzers, especially The Met, but you can't trust a 'Special' like an old-time copper when you can't find your way home
It was in the Steven Lawrence Inquiry by Sir William MacPherson. He said the Met were ‘institutionally racist’. They disagreed, they then read the report and said ‘now we know what the definition is, we may be’ or words to that effect. It’s never been withdrawn, just denied and then accepted:
https://assets.publishing.service.g.../uploads/attachment_data/file/277111/4262.pdf
 
#74
the cold case detectives have visited my aunt several times since my uncle (her brother) died 3 years ago asking if she knew of any alleged involvement he had with the murder because as far as we can tell he may or may not have at some point had a pint in the same pub as the suspects but not necessarily while they were there and may or may not ever spoken to any of them and each time she has told them that at the time he was visiting us in Germany, they keep going back to see her and she keeps telling them he wasn't even in the country at the time and at no point have they spoken to my parents (my dad is ex SIB) to confirm this.... it's no wonder the case never really went anywhere its had nothing to do with racism it was just incompetent policing
 
#75
Stephen Lawrence Day to be held annually

It's now become all about assuaging the 'institutional guilt' of everybody.

Other victims somehow no longer matter.
If your correct, then I feel for the Public Sector workers who will be "asked" by the Governments proxies/inspectorates to report on how they intend to commemorate Theresa May's, Stephen Lawrence day?
The murder of any young person is a tragedy, but the politicisation and now the sudden resurrection of the history of this case by the establishment, could be seen to be cynically timed to other events and ill judged with the wider publics mood. I think most people never saw this coming and are left surprised by the announcement. Now the establishment appears to have decided to foist its angst upon the Public, I wonder if it is going to try and stage manage and force their imagined "correct" response from the Public. If they try that, I can see this blowing back in ways which they hadn't imagined or intended. Ways which are not going to dignify the memory of this young man.
 
#76
Policing on the cheap, started with plastic PC's in the 1990's and now under trained/un accredited CID, what could possibly go wrong.
An utterly disgusting allegation.

PCSO's can do absolutely anything. Even investigate low level, crime like "assault, criminal damage, harrassment"

Police Community Support Investigators take to the streets of Dorset

The introduction of the new role also creates a career path for PCSOs to progress into investigation roles – something that hasn’t been possible until now.
All you need to do to be a detective is to put a suit on or 8 weeks of top up training.

PCSO's came in around 2002/3 from memory.
 
#77
it's no wonder the case never really went anywhere its had nothing to do with racism it was just incompetent policing
Interestingly Daniel Morgan doesn't get his own day.

Every bit as dead, every bit as full of possible corruption in SE London.

Few people have heard of him.

Probably not really as much political use. Shame about the loss of life, but hey - no one gives a damn about the ones being stabbed to death today. Maybe in 25 plus years they'll be of political use to a PM and Home Secretary in the poo.

Shame all the improvements since the 1990s are being undone. Not just the exodus of experienced officers (*ahem, though j say it myself". If you want a real scare, just look at the forest fire at forensic science support to police and courts.

But never mind, look over there something shiny.
 
#78
No-one seems to remember that the 'institutionally racist' jibe was actually withdrawn and the originator apologised for making the unwarranted comment.....

And no, I can't find the bloody link at the moment, if you doubt me, check for yourself

Far be it for me to say something nice about the Rozzers, especially The Met, but you can't trust a 'Special' like an old-time copper when you can't find your way home
If you fancy never being able to apply for a UK public service job, Google Racist Murder and Pressure Group Politics.

Fun little monograph which is valuable, simply because it suggests that the scholastic lynch mob behind "institutional racism" may not be utterly right.
 
#79
An utterly disgusting allegation.

PCSO's can do absolutely anything. Even investigate low level, crime like "assault, criminal damage, harrassment"

Police Community Support Investigators take to the streets of Dorset



All you need to do to be a detective is to put a suit on or 8 weeks of top up training.

PCSO's came in around 2002/3 from memory.
I stand corrected, it was 2002/3. £2-3k cheaper than a PC, savings on training etc and no power of arrest or ability to detain. I have no idea what powers they have now.

I did meet a bloke you worked on the PSCO project on a train trip upto Edinburgh back in 2003. He explained it all in great detail and I was still not convinced. We both had seats booked on a table seat, he had HO policing reports spread over the table and he spotted my security pass and we got chatting. It was one the few times having degree in criminology came in handy.
 
#80
The 'Institutional Racism' comment came from the Macpherson Report following the inquiry by Sir William Macpherson (ex CO 21 SAS) and to my knowledge has never been withdrawn.
No. In fact it has been seized upon, in order to brand all public institutions as 'racist' in one form or another by those with an axe to grind.
That old fool Macpherson should have been challenged by the Met Commissioner at the time to either qualify it or withdraw it.
It was music to the ears of the left.
 

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