Stephen Lawrence - 10 years on

PC Keith Blakelock?
WPC Yvonne Fletcher?
Capt Robert Nairac?
Cpls Woods and Howes?
Fus Lee Rigby?
PC Keith Palmer?
Ken Bigley and all the others who had their heads sawn off by 'the Beatles'?

Just a few more deserving people whose lives were cut short on racial and/or religious grounds in the service of their country or while trying to make a difference elsewhere. If a petition appears on the Govt website slating todays announcement I will gladly sign it.

"Lest We Forget"
 
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Here in S london there are Mayoral elections - we have an independent candidate and I read his manifesto and thought " this bloke is OK he even might not get destroyed on arrse...."
Then I found out he was the lad "standing next" to to Stephen Lawrence
 
Theresa May is fighting for her political life, she is a complete disaster as PM, and anything is useful as a straw to grab at to divert attention from her abysmal record in politics.

Plus she has gone back to her happy place of bashing the police.

Which given as any officer serving during the era in question is likely to have gone, or be leaving soon, makes it pretty pointless.

Police officers quitting their jobs at one of highest rates since records began

11,670 voluntary resignations under her tenure.....

They were all probably racists anyway.

So never mind, it makes May happy bashing officers who weren't even in the job when it was messed up. I half expect the general declaration of the oath of office of constable to be altered to some cult of martyrdom as all recruits acknowledge their racism (which they probably never knew they had until it was found by a diversity Home Office witchdoctor who examined them at Hendon)

2018 intake, General Declaration -

OF Mans First Disobedience, and the Fruit
Of that Forbidden Tree, whose mortal tast
Brought Death into the World, and all our woe,
With loss of Eden, till one greater Man
Restore us, and regain the blissful Seat,

(Please note all this is aimed at posturing politicians, spineless ACPO and grasping diversity consultants - rather than some poor sod murdered by *********. I've stood, like many, in and by puddles of blood. Never occurred to ask what ethnicity a victim was, we all bleed red).
 

Purple_Flash

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The Lawrence thing is very odd. It has become a sort of totemic moment with honours dished out to the parents and a seat in the HoL. It marks a certain moment where PC reached a unique moment of power and influence whereby it could declare whole institutions racist rather than individuals.

Making it a day of annual remembrance is, if anything, playing into the hands of those who would point to Enoch Powell’s prophecy of the ‘black man having the whip hand’ as coming into being in the sphere of public discourse.
 
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The Lawrence thing is very odd. It ha become a sort of totemic moment with honours dished out to the parents and a seat in the HoL. It marks a certain moment where PC reached a unique moment of power and influence whereby it could declare whole institutions racist rather than individuals.

As of course to saying absolutely an institution is not institutionally racist and then getting a peerage.

We're back to normal in the UK, I hope peerages will be back to being sold by next thursday
 
The Lawrence thing is very odd. It has become a sort of totemic moment with honours dished out to the parents and a seat in the HoL. It marks a certain moment where PC reached a unique moment of power and influence whereby it could declare whole institutions racist rather than individuals.

Making it a day of annual remembrance is, if anything, playing into the hands of those who would point to Enoch Powell’s prophecy of the ‘black man having the whip hand’ as coming into being in the sphere of public discourse.

Yup.
 
It isn't as if there is nothing else to commemorate on the 23rd April, I'm no nationalist but today is St George's day (England's patron saint) and also the birthday of William Shakespeare, supposedly our greatest poet and playwright.

Both of these commemorations come to mind a lot quicker than "St Stephen Lawrence" day, who's mother has been ennobled for god knows what. Clear evidence that our politicians have lost their way, and the path to the House of Lords has been made far too easy for the rewards held within.
 

CowboyBob

War Hero
Maybe the long running investigation was less to do with SL and more to do with who the suspects were and their links to the SE drugs trade. Maybe the Met had a Mounty moment and HAD to get their man (and save face, and send a message to organised crime at the same time).

Maybe SL day is more of a day to remind the Met not to be corrupt and mess up investigations for an envelope stuff with drug money.
Just a thought.
 
It was Theresa May who bashed plod whilst Home Sec. She like many other politicians probably hate the Police, and indeed all other uniformed public sector workers. Which is ironic seeing as they all work for the Crown.
 
Maybe the long running investigation was less to do with SL and more to do with who the suspects were and their links to the SE drugs trade. Maybe the Met had a Mounty moment and HAD to get their man (and save face, and send a message to organised crime at the same time).

Maybe SL day is more of a day to remind the Met not to be corrupt and mess up investigations for an envelope stuff with drug money.
Just a thought.

And maybe you should substantiate that with a bit of evidence to this particular post.
 
Maybe the long running investigation was less to do with SL and more to do with who the suspects were and their links to the SE drugs trade. Maybe the Met had a Mounty moment and HAD to get their man (and save face, and send a message to organised crime at the same time).

Maybe SL day is more of a day to remind the Met not to be corrupt and mess up investigations for an envelope stuff with drug money.
Just a thought.

What? All 30,000 of them and the countless hundreds of thousands that have served since then and before?

Sanctimonious as ****.
 
Maybe the long running investigation was less to do with SL and more to do with who the suspects were and their links to the SE drugs trade. Maybe the Met had a Mounty moment and HAD to get their man (and save face, and send a message to organised crime at the same time).

Maybe SL day is more of a day to remind the Met not to be corrupt and mess up investigations for an envelope stuff with drug money.
Just a thought.

Ah, how fortunate then we had a progressive period of "Professionalising the Investigation", leading to an incredible upskiling of CID at both volume and specialist crime levels.

Reversed now, largely thanks to Theresa and Tom's double act

Sadly now we have a Met so screwed you can join straight into CID without any experience.

And non-accredited (ie, not actual detectives) making up the numbers on CID. Which was one of the points made in the 90s. Non-trained and inexperienced officers are set up to fail in the initial response to serious crime and critical incidents, and are not experienced enough to handle 20 to 30 cases at once (I hear of some borough CID having 50 crimes on their sheet)

So Mrs May clearly doesn't actually give a hoot about the lessons, but needs to appear to.

And when the wheel comes off, we'll blame the individual. Rather than the system, always a bit easier.

Never mind.
 

CowboyBob

War Hero
And maybe you should substantiate that with a bit of evidence to this particular post.
One of the suspects was the son of Clifford Norris, who was nortorious drug dealer in SE London. Getting his son on a murder conviction might opened further leads/leverage in the fathers drugs business. As I said, it is just a thought.
 
May I be the 1st to lower the tone & call it "national dead n***er day?"

Do I have to celebrate it in KFC ?

Also may I be excused the from the mass mugging by moped event as I've a note from my mam ?
I've not seen him referred to elsewhere as a "nutter"?
Surely that would have been his killers.

And that is fcuking low by the way.
 
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CowboyBob

War Hero
What? All 30,000 of them and the countless hundreds of thousands that have served since then and before?

Sanctimonious as ****.

It is a stick that will always be used to whack the Met (lots of high profile corruption cases in the Met). Corruption was probably a bigger problem than institutionalised racism in 1993.
Add into the mix Labour wanting to change Policing (making it politicised and full of graduates).

I worked with the Met from 2000 to 2004 (on the IT side). Even as a civvie I could see the changes hurting the rank and file and how pissed off everyone was.
The Met has now been turned into a completely different organisation, but the government still needs a stick to beat the Met with and this special day will be it.

I agree I am sanctimonious but also very cynical of the governments motives for this.
 

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