Stauffenberg's assasination attempt on Hitler.

As it's from an American publication, I'm surprised they didn't attribute the attempt to Tom Cruise.

'Germany is marking the 75th anniversary of the most famous plot to kill Adolf Hitler, paying tribute to the conspirators who were executed for trying to assassinate the Nazi dictator. Chancellor Angela Merkel is on Saturday attending the annual swearing-in ceremony for some 400 troops before addressing a memorial event being held in the courtyard of the building where plot leader Col. Claus von Stauffenberg was executed. Von Stauffenberg tried to kill Hitler with a briefcase bomb on July 20, 1944, but a table blocked the full force of the blast and Hitler survived. Von Stauffenberg and his fellow plotters were executed within hours.'

Read more here: https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/nation-world/article232923182.html#storylink=cpy
 
Strange Stauffenberg was a ''hero'', but when you remark in Germany about the Immigration policy you're a rascist?
Angie's own words on Saturday......
"Instead of looking away or being silent, we need to be engaged," she said.

On a wider scale, she said Europeans need to speak out and act against nationalism and populism.:?
 
As it's from an American publication, I'm surprised they didn't attribute the attempt to Tom Cruise.

'Germany is marking the 75th anniversary of the most famous plot to kill Adolf Hitler, paying tribute to the conspirators who were executed for trying to assassinate the Nazi dictator. Chancellor Angela Merkel is on Saturday attending the annual swearing-in ceremony for some 400 troops before addressing a memorial event being held in the courtyard of the building where plot leader Col. Claus von Stauffenberg was executed. Von Stauffenberg tried to kill Hitler with a briefcase bomb on July 20, 1944, but a table blocked the full force of the blast and Hitler survived. Von Stauffenberg and his fellow plotters were executed within hours.'

Read more here: https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/nation-world/article232923182.html#storylink=cpy
I wonder if the Poles are happy that a man who supported nicking their country and using their people as slaves is now regarded as a bit of a hero, because he turned traitor when Adolf was facing defeat.
 

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As it's from an American publication, I'm surprised they didn't attribute the attempt to Tom Cruise.

'Germany is marking the 75th anniversary of the most famous plot to kill Adolf Hitler, paying tribute to the conspirators who were executed for trying to assassinate the Nazi dictator. Chancellor Angela Merkel is on Saturday attending the annual swearing-in ceremony for some 400 troops before addressing a memorial event being held in the courtyard of the building where plot leader Col. Claus von Stauffenberg was executed. Von Stauffenberg tried to kill Hitler with a briefcase bomb on July 20, 1944, but a table blocked the full force of the blast and Hitler survived. Von Stauffenberg and his fellow plotters were executed within hours.'

Read more here: https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/nation-world/article232923182.html#storylink=cpy
Plot leader? Hardly. He only got involved late in the planning.
 
Has Jeremy Corbyn blamed the assassination attempt on the Jews yet?
 
You have mirrored my recent thoughts on this subject oddly enough.
But my primary interest is which government would have successfully taken over the Reich post assassination?
We all know that General Beck would have become President and Goerdeler was in the frame for Chancellor.
Goering might have had something to say about this as the legal 2ic of the Reich and I think that Himmler might have been a bit miffed as well.
If contempraneous reports from the incident can be believed then Goebbels would have commited suicide upon arrest by Major Remer but the other bigshots were out of Berlin that day.

Let us say it did succeed according to plan, the design to come to terms with the Western Allies would have failed. Unconditional Surrender to all the Allies was the order of the time and was non-negotiable.

It might have even lengthened the war as maybe a more competent German Military without the idiot Hitler might have got its house in order.
Didn't Churchill order MI6 to stop looking at assassinating Hitler for that precise reason ?
 
Plot leader? Hardly. He only got involved late in the planning.
Gisevius wrote that, in effect, Stauffenberg and his supporters took over the plot and make it action - based. He was the leader as, without him, 20th July would likely not have happened.
 
I have had this discussion before, if Hitler had delayed Barbarossa 12 months maybe 2 years it would have allowed him to more fully mechanise the force to go to Russia. Indeed if he had gone three months earlier he may have been succesful in taking Moscow. His problem was he had to dig the Italians out of the poo in Africa and his Balkan expedition really did depleat his forces.
Would have changed nothing .
The Russians would have retreated to the Urals if they'd had to
 
Oh indeed but by stockpiling he may just have been able to do it. Remember Germany did not really ramp up production to 'total war' levels until 1944 and they built quality over quantity as the Russians did throught out. Their other problem was that they went for a multiplicity of aircraft/vehicle designs etc instead as the Russians did and build thousands of T34s and KV 1s. The only thing they developed properly in effect was their U Boats, in a logical manner.
This is a map of the Soviet Union . How on Earth would the Werhmacht have occupied that ? Capturing Moscow would have achieved nothing , the government would have just moved to the Urals .

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Indeed very true, Poland is a case in point but places like France assisted and indeed organised the deportation of their Jewish citizens to the death camps. The Dutch maintained their civil service which identified Dutch Jews through the ration card system. The only place as far as I know who protected their Jews was Denmark. Indeed the Danes actively told the Germans that they were Danes first and foremost. By subborning Werner-Best towards the end of the war when he realised he would be facing justice for his crimes he tipped the Danes off who told their Jewish population not to go to the Synagogr one friday night as they would be rounded up. That was the night the vast majority were got over to Sweden in small boats.
Hungary protected their Jewish citizens . So did the Greeks .
They were handed over under overwhelming pressure
 
The ongoing argument, that one, but as Basil Fawlty said, they started it, they invaded Poland. As you know the Germans were blamed, humiliated and paying heavy reparations. Churchill knew that Germany under Hitler had re-armed under everybody's noses and increased the size of its army by 1935; France and Britain did nothing. WLSC had warned everybody throughout. By 1944 it seems he'd had quite enough of the Nazis and brooked no bargaining with the enemy. Himmler was a proper loon in any case.

Churchill in the House of Commons in October 1944: "Unconditional surrender, in the sense of "No bargaining with the enemy" is still the policy of His Majesty's Government. The Three Power Declaration of 12th May to the Axis satellites should also be borne in mind."
Still Boris's policy today !
 
Unpleasant , but then I believe it was illegal to be a muslim in Hungary 'till 13 years ago .
Let's not forget that in 1938 many countries refused entry to Jewish refugees and there was widespread discrimination worldwide .
Indeed, so let not pretend they cared much about the plight of Jews back then, just like these assassination attempts on Adolf, history is exaggerated to make people/countries appear that they werent really on the side of the Nazis, honest guv, nothing to do with us, it was all the Germans.


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This is a map of the Soviet Union . How on Earth would the Werhmacht have occupied that ? Capturing Moscow would have achieved nothing , the government would have just moved to the Urals .

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Genghis's chums got from one end to the other on horseback.
 

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Indeed, so let not pretend they cared much about the plight of Jews back then, just like these assassination attempts on Adolf, history is exaggerated to make people/countries appear that they werent really on the side of the Nazis, honest guv, nothing to do with us, it was all the Germans.


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Too bloody right. None of the occupied countries apart from Denmark did anything at a high level to try to help their Jewish populations. Far from it. Most didn't need any prodding from the Germans to get on with deporting their citizens to their own camps manned by their own police....the french being a case in point.
 
[Assassinating Hitler might have even lengthened the war as maybe a more competent German Military without the idiot Hitler might have got its house in order]

Didn't Churchill order MI6 to stop looking at assassinating Hitler for that precise reason ?
I see this a lot also in connection with Foxley - another SOE gig - and never found reliable confirmation. But Churchill green lit it for SOE. Tunny intercepts allegedly suggested that killing Hitler the Bavarian Corporal would have given German generals - professional soldiers and proven tacticians - free reign over strategy, thus prolonging the war. Otherwise, WSC had plenty of sound advice from a pretty sound team around him, not least his military aides and impressive IGS and COS. It could be right that Churchill had Foxley cancelled.

Op Barbarossa is a good example of Hitler's interference in things he didn't understand; it was used by John Keegan in The Second World War as an example of Hitler's megalomania, disastrous meddling and flawed logic. And I think Beevor also agrees.

SOE head shed and Germany specialist Lt. Col Ronald Thornley allegedly didn't like the Foxley plan, and he would have been a reliable judge. If Foxley had happened in mid-July 1944 then Hitler would have become a martyr; Germany's defeat could have been blamed on the assassination rather than a decisive allied victory and Germany's unconditional surrender.

Hitler was apparently kept alive because as his meltdown and insanity progressed, he couldn't be a martyr but he was much more useful alive, as the idiot misdirecting the enemy.
 

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