state of the nation

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Have not read any of his books IIRC, but looks like I'll have to start.

What an article, is the entire book, The Light's On At Signpost like this?
 
#3
My generation has seen the decay of ordinary morality, standards of decency, sportsmanship, politeness, respect for the law, family values, politics and education and religion, the very character of the British.
Yet another man living out a fantasy of a country that never existed, and whose often-quoted 'virtues' frequently came at a terrible price.
 
#5
'State of the Nation'.

On Monday morning we are informed that the chief executives of the biggest banks are 'summoned' to the Treasury to be grilled by:

Alistair Darling,
Mr. Mandelson (quelle surprise!),
Ms Shiti 'The Shriek' Vadera, and some anonymous place-man named
Mr. Myners.

Darling was elected to Parliament. The other three apart from being disgraced; desperately unpopular, ill-tempered, fond of playing the 'race-card' and useless; and anonymous are appointed to the risible House of Lords.

What right have the three last named to question the Chief Executive of my bank - HSBC? What right have these unelected persons to 'summon' anyone?

The state of this country is dire and all four above named are responsible in no small way.
 

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I can certainly equate with that article and its point of view as they are mine also.

That article should be handed to every child entering secondary eduction and the book should me mandatory reading.

It should also be sent to every prospective MP inviting them to point out where they think GMF is wrong. That should help you decide on where to put your X.
 
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parapauk said:
My generation has seen the decay of ordinary morality, standards of decency, sportsmanship, politeness, respect for the law, family values, politics and education and religion, the very character of the British.
Yet another man living out a fantasy of a country that never existed, and whose often-quoted 'virtues' frequently came at a terrible price.
No there near was a perfect era but that does not mean that standards of decency and the like haven't fallen they have.

Change for better in the wider society, is not striving to encourage, better standards of decency and politeness, respect for the law both for and by the individual and greater society.

Respect for family values, how ever that family is made up the core is good parents encourages stable family environments.

Politics and education, encourage people to contribute to society through both good politics and good education for all be it state or private, and make education about learning the whole not just test passing multiguess skills.

Sportsmanship we are a sporting nation but we have some of the most petulant and poor competitors within many of our national teams...Money Money Money!

Religion tolerance mean just that tolerance and all religions...I wish they could do both.


Meanwhile 'parapauk' continue to hope that labors scorched earth policys will lead us to some paradise...

missed you ashie and sven yesterday i am sure you could have solved the LGBT thread debate with a wave of the party line :roll:
 
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halo_jones said:
parapauk said:
My generation has seen the decay of ordinary morality, standards of decency, sportsmanship, politeness, respect for the law, family values, politics and education and religion, the very character of the British.
Yet another man living out a fantasy of a country that never existed, and whose often-quoted 'virtues' frequently came at a terrible price.
No there near was a perfect era but that does not mean that standards of decency and the like haven't fallen they have.
I was half expecting a rose-tinted account of the past, but the article seemed well balanced and honest. I'm not surprised parapauk didn't like it - it threatens the power that he and his self-interested type hold over us.

Mr. Fraser's points about freedom are interesting. They had conscription, censorship, direction of labour, rationing and shortages; yet they could say and think what they wanted.

Nowadays, we - the silent majority - know better than to speak our minds because people like parapauk hold the strings.
 
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parapauk said:
My generation has seen the decay of ordinary morality, standards of decency, sportsmanship, politeness, respect for the law, family values, politics and education and religion, the very character of the British.
Yet another man living out a fantasy of a country that never existed, and whose often-quoted 'virtues' frequently came at a terrible price.
ahistorical tw@t
 
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DeltaDog said:
halo_jones said:
parapauk said:
My generation has seen the decay of ordinary morality, standards of decency, sportsmanship, politeness, respect for the law, family values, politics and education and religion, the very character of the British.
Yet another man living out a fantasy of a country that never existed, and whose often-quoted 'virtues' frequently came at a terrible price.
No there near was a perfect era but that does not mean that standards of decency and the like haven't fallen they have.
I was half expecting a rose-tinted account of the past..
And you got one:

We could say what we liked; they can't
Always fascinates me, what were these pearls of wisdom that we have now been robbed off? The formula for cold fusion? The truth about the Turin Shroud? People would like you to believe that it's 'controversial' issues like immigration, gay parenting, etc. It isn't. I've lost count of the number of martyrdom articles I've read telling me that I'm we are not allowed a sensible discussion about something when in reality such discussions take place in the media, academia and in private every day.
They are only about allowing people to bring back the days of brain-dead prejudices under the guise of some sort of free speech crusade.

We had no worries about race...
No, the neighbourhood n***er got a kicking by the locals after a few pints and a day of being excluded from society. 'We' had no worries about race because 'we' were the one who ruled the roost. Fcuking amazing how few worries you can have when you are the unchallenged rulers.

or sexual orientation...
No, 'we' didn't, you were either straight, pretending you were straight, or in a psychiatric ward/prison. No options, no worries! It was so easy!

We could, and did, differ from fashionable opinion with impunity
Again, 'fashionable opinion': an objection to Newton's third law of motion maybe? Spare me...

We had available to us an education system, public and private, that was the envy of the world.
Lot of uni students from all over the world paying £12K a year for the privilege of a British education were there then?

We had little reason to fear being mugged or raped
No, because we didn't have the media telling us we would be. It just happened.

Our children could play in street and country in safety
See above.

We had few problems with bullies because society knew how to deal with bullying and was not afraid to punish it in ways that would send today's progressives into hysterics.
I don't even know where to start.

We did not know the stifling tyranny of a liberal establishment, determined to impose its views
Again, what are these 'views'?

Above all, we knew who we were and we lived in the knowledge that certain values and standards held true, and that our country, with all its faults and need for reforms, was sound at heart.
Rose tinting 101. Society was made up of individuals then, and is made up of individuals now: some good, some bad, some indifferent.
 
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parapauk said:
Society was made up of individuals then, and is made up of individuals now: some good, some bad, some indifferent.
And you are a singular turd who has contributed nothing.

Unlike GMF.

msr
 
#12
Pretty much sums up my own personal opinon.

Have to agree that us right thinking people are in the majority, but we're being putdown and controlled by an odious, vocal minority. This type of thing would lead to revolution anywhere else, but the British population are to timid and sheep like for it to ever happen.
 
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msr said:
parapauk said:
Society was made up of individuals then, and is made up of individuals now: some good, some bad, some indifferent.
And you are a singular turd who has contributed nothing.

Unlike GMF.

msr
That's right MSR, keep humming 'Jerusalem' and thinking of the Queen Mother. The nurse will be along to make it alright soon...
 

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parapauk said:
Rose tinting 101. Society was made up of individuals then, and is made up of individuals now: some good, some bad, some indifferent.
You're to be commended on your computer-literacy. 84 is a good age to still be posting on web forums.

Hang on, you were born in 1925 and lived through all of the decline that GMF saw, right? Or are you just bumping your gums about something you have no first hand knowledge of. Again.
 
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Sixty said:
parapauk said:
Rose tinting 101. Society was made up of individuals then, and is made up of individuals now: some good, some bad, some indifferent.
You're to be commended on you're computer-literacy. 84 is a good age to still be posting on web forums.

Hang on, you were born in 1925 and lived through all of the decline that GMF saw right? Or are you just bumping your gums about something you have no first hand knowledge of. Again.
I've lived enough and travelled enough to know that the utopia he describes doesn't exist. Unless humans have had a complete genetic rewiring over the last 84 years in never did.

The basis of the Judaic-Christian religions is the Expulsion from the Garden of Eden, and everything that followed is a tale of the aftermath. Modern social history for many takes the same path.
 

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parapauk said:
I've lived enough and travelled enough to know that the utopia he describes doesn't exist. Unless humans have had a complete genetic rewiring over the last 84 years in never did.

The basis of the Judaic-Christian religions is the Expulsion from the Garden of Eden, and everything that followed is a tale of the aftermath. Modern social history for many takes the same path.
Trans: Yes, I was just bumping my gums.
 
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parapauk said:
Sixty said:
parapauk said:
The basis of the Judaic-Christian religions is the Expulsion from the Garden of Eden, and everything that followed is a tale of the aftermath. Modern social history for many takes the same path.
Now we have proof that 'parapuke' is a gormless, mantra-chanting clown.

Edited to add: - in which respect he apes his master 'Clown' Brown.

'parapuke' is so thick he does not yet realise that the 'Bastard of Beelzebub', the 'Menstrual Liquid of Mephistopheles' is the real master. This evil one, no names - no pack-drill - makes 'Clown' Brown seem like an 'Innocent Child of the Manse'.
 
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lsquared said:
parapauk said:
Sixty said:
parapauk said:
The basis of the Judaic-Christian religions is the Expulsion from the Garden of Eden, and everything that followed is a tale of the aftermath. Modern social history for many takes the same path.
Now we have proof that 'parapuke' is a gormless, mantra-chanting clown.
Nothing constructive to add then? No tale of how in your day in was all so much better?
 
#19
You always cherry pick so well, 'parapauk' are you really 84 years of age? if that is the case then bore off the planet and save us all some 02 i would not normally reply so ill mannered and boorishly but you seem to suggest that aspiring to good standards has never really existed!
 
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halo_jones said:
You always cherry pick so well, 'parapauk' are you really 84 years of age? if that is the case then bore off the planet and save us all some 02 i would not normally reply so ill mannered and boorishly but you seem to suggest that aspiring to good standards has never really existed!
Good standards were and still are strived for by many. It's just the common delusion that we all started out in a united society with a common purpose where everyone knew their place and was more or less happy, and we can get back there if we only we undo key aspects of the last 40 years of social reform is, frankly, maddening.
 

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