Starship Trooper

#1
Just been watching the old Starship Troopers, seems like Service guarentees Citizenship isn't such a bad concept!

moved to artsy forum
 
#4
Synergy said:
Maybe but are you still watching channel five.......
I was having a throwback moment to when there used to be poor quality softcore porn on there.......

Happy days of youth.
 
#7
My advice, read the book
Basically the world is split into 2, civilians and citizens, everyone is born a civilian but citizenship is earnt, often, but not eclusivly, by military service.

The book isn't as black and white as the film but it does demonstrate what kind of person it is that takes responsibility in themselves to want to be a citizen (the film makes it sounds like many just do it for the perks). Interestingly enough soldiers themselves have LESS rights than citizens, for example they cannot vote whilst in service.

I advise anyone to read this book and (even though its in space and there are bugs and stuff) you can really identify with Rico and his career.
 
#10
One of Robert Heinlein's best books IMHO, alongside "The Moon is A Harsh Mistress" and "Stranger In A Strange Land".

As Wellyhead said above, the book is much more thought-provoking than the film. Although the film has more naked women in it.
 
#12
I think his words about Corpral Punishment and his coments about modern law and order methods seem alarmingly accurate.

Throw in his belive about the last big war and who it will be between, again that all seems very perceptive of him.

Remember the book was writen in 1959.
 

AlienFTM

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#13
ISTR that Heinlein wrote Starship Troopers as an analogy to Nam, talking up the honour of defending the known universe from an entirely alien enemy.

IMCO opinion, Joe Haldeman's The Forever War (also an analogy to Nam, but demonstrating the futility) is a far better book.

I first read it 30-odd years ago. Classic. It finally fell apart about ten years ago after multiple rereads by me and then my son. Then I learned that Haldeman had rewritten the middle portion of the book before first release because it was considered too dark and painted the USA in too bleak a light so he moved it to London and Geneva.

Later editions moved the events back to the USA.
 
#14
AlienFTM said:
ISTR that Heinlein wrote Starship Troopers as an analogy to Nam, talking up the honour of defending the known universe from an entirely alien enemy.
Starship Troopers was first published in 1959, long before the Viet Nam conflict penetrated popular consciousness. There is lots of stuff on t'Internet about it, including this http://www.kentaurus.com/troopers.htm.

There is no doubt that it is a hugely influential work, though when you start to really think about it, you can see why many quite moderate people think it is a bit too fascist for comfort.
 

AlienFTM

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#15
Vasco said:
AlienFTM said:
ISTR that Heinlein wrote Starship Troopers as an analogy to Nam, talking up the honour of defending the known universe from an entirely alien enemy.
Starship Troopers was first published in 1959, long before the Viet Nam conflict penetrated popular consciousness. There is lots of stuff on t'Internet about it, including this http://www.kentaurus.com/troopers.htm.

There is no doubt that it is a hugely influential work, though when you start to really think about it, you can see why many quite moderate people think it is a bit too fascist for comfort.
As you rightly say, long before the USA got involved in the conflict.

1BLE (1st Battalion of the Foreign Legion) first disembarked in Haiphong on 8 Nov 1883 and the French stayed for 71 years.

Late as usual. AND they lost. And they made the same mistakes as the French had made in the 19th century (and again in the late 1940s and again at Dien Bien Phu in 1954 to bring their war to an end, cos they didn't learn either).

But I take your point.
 
#16
This film clearly shows why you need overwhelming indirect fire support! Oh god, have I implied that Gunners are actually useful! :wink:

Hells teeth 8O
 
#17
Great book, Mine fell apart also. Thought it would have come back into print when the film came out but no luck. It has a surprisingly well thought out sub text about politics and is not just a 'shoot the monsters' book. Read it if you can.
 
#18
You are forgeting the best dying words scene ever.

Dizzy with massive holes in her body. "It's ok Jonny..because I got to have you..." big coughs and claret spits everywhere. Priceless
 
#19
speckygeek said:
You are forgeting the best dying words scene ever.

Dizzy with massive holes in her body. "It's ok Jonny..because I got to have you..." big coughs and claret spits everywhere. Priceless
but we do like Dizzy cos she's a Starshit pooper who loves it up her :twisted:
 
#20
The films not bad at all but it lacks the fighting suits that made the book for me. Frankly, during the battle sequences in the film I was moved to shout things like "forgot the armour and arty did we !" as yet another bunch of soldiers died messily. British infantry in Iraq and Afghanistan today carry more firepower then the soldiers in the film, and get things like landies to drive round in as well. Then again, you can argue it was intended as a parody of the modern US military rather than a faithful copy of the book. (Shout hooah and charge the 12 ft tall bug with huge razor sharp claws without a bayonet. Sir Yes Sir !)

In the book every soldier got a huge tooled up battle suit, parachuted in from orbit and operated at spacings measured in kilometres. However, it wasn't all uncontrolled violence, nukes were if memory serves for Cpls and above only. That made the comparison between a few - a very few - humans and millions of bugs far more significant. It also is I think influenced by Korea, human wave attacks and all that.

And I also think that the politics are not as simple as is often made out. There are definite hints that the war being fought at the start of the book with the skinnies was started by humans - the opening scene is a raid on a major skinny city by our hero and his squad to kill people and blow things up (including tacnukes) - to "shock and awe" the locals. Indeed, it is implied that the bugs are so dangerous as they mirror humanities approach to interstellar relations, just with more legs.
 

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