Stand by, Stand by... Hillsborough Papers Out!

#1
Now then Scousers, time to get your Black Shell Suits on...the Hillsborough Official Docs are out....No doubt their will be the usual outpouring of Liverpudlian Grief.....hoping to pin the Blame on some one.

Lets see?
 
#10
Maybe there'll be an answer as to why serving police officers were ordered to change their statements because they made the police look bad?

Or how two CCTV tapes from the ground were stolen from a locked room without anyone ever bothering to investigate?

Or why a ground with no safety certificate was being used for such a major event?

Or why of 96 dead people only 14 of them ever made it to a hospital?

Or why 42 ambulances were kept outside the ground when people inside were dying who could have been saved with basic medical care?

Or why a cut of time off 1515 was imposed and no evidence after it was taken at the inquests despite statements from serving police officers that people were alive until as late as 1600?
 
#12
Maybe there'll be an answer as to why serving police officers were ordered to change their statements because they made the police look bad?

Or how two CCTV tapes from the ground were stolen from a locked room without anyone ever bothering to investigate?

Or why a ground with no safety certificate was being used for such a major event?

Or why of 96 dead people only 14 of them ever made it to a hospital?

Or why 42 ambulances were kept outside the ground when people inside were dying who could have been saved with basic medical care?

Or why a cut of time off 1515 was imposed and no evidence after it was taken at the inquests despite statements from serving police officers that people were alive until as late as 1600?
Or why no Scouser will ever admit their fans were partially responsible too? Of course they weren't pushing they were queuing nice and neatly all with tickets in their hands.
 
#14
As long as no one mentions the allegations that the dead and injured had their property stolen from them as they lay helpless on the ground,we should have a calm and reasoned thread on the subject.
 
#15
Maybe there'll be an answer as to why serving police officers were ordered to change their statements because they made the police look bad?

Or how two CCTV tapes from the ground were stolen from a locked room without anyone ever bothering to investigate?

Or why a ground with no safety certificate was being used for such a major event?

Or why of 96 dead people only 14 of them ever made it to a hospital?

Or why 42 ambulances were kept outside the ground when people inside were dying who could have been saved with basic medical care?

Or why a cut of time off 1515 was imposed and no evidence after it was taken at the inquests despite statements from serving police officers that people were alive until as late as 1600?
Perhaps my point of view is abit simplistic, The Police numbers were to provide cover for a capacity crowd, however the fan base exeeded that, so the police where overwhemed by people who should not have been there, it was the fan base who caused the the deaths & injuries, yes the police made some poor decisions.

It was the fan base without tickets who should not have been there, therefore they were the cause and the effect was 96 dead people, if you take away the ticketless fans apart from the usual football violence there would have been no real issue on the Day.

Perhaps ( being a bit cynical) that the victims families want someone in authority to blame so they can be straight on to claims4you.com
 
#16
There have never been the same scale of deaths at an American footie match - because they queue sensibly, don't attempt to push their way in (and start a crush at the turnstiles) to get the police to open the barriers (which transfers the crush to the fences at the front) to force their way in to see a game without paying for it.

Those who died were not at fault, they were crushed by the constant pushing from ignorant scum at the back who wouldn't wait or buy a ticket. The fact that this occurred in a city where a significant proportion of the population also happen to be a bunch of whinging scousers who can't accept responsibility for their actions, is not directly relevant to the disaster, but this accounts fully for the grief-fest since.

Although there may have been suppressed detail which will show some errors of judgement on the day, nothing in the released documents will transfer guilt from the herd of impatient, dregs who wanted to get in for nothing, or who couldn't wait a couple of minutes longer. Or are the Scousers saying that they are a simply a herd of unthinking morons who, at all times. need to be herded like sheep?
 
#17
It's all to do with 'Blame Culture'. That's why we keep getting inquiry after inquiry into the same thing until the "victims" get the answer they want, someone to blame and claim from. Closure my backside!
 

Wordsmith

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#19
I suspect what we'll find is significant failures from those in command of the varying emergency services, etc. Human nature being what it is, they told little lies to rationalise their failings. As time went by the lies became a little bigger and they began to believe their own rationalizations. Eventually it became an institutionalised cover-up to protect the reputations of the varying emergency services and organising authorities concerned.

At the heart of this story will be a chain of human failings that led to a tragedy and the death of 96 Liverpool fans.

And also at the heart of this story will be a number of senior officers and managers who cared more for their careers than the truth.

Wordsmith
 
#20
Next it will be 'reopen the inquests' and then it will be 'claims r us'.

Can't we just tow Liverpool out to sea and sink it with Naval gunfire? Oh, have any of our ships got guns any more?
 

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