Stamp Out Online Echo Chambers

FORMER_FYRDMAN

LE
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#61
Arrse isn’t a single issue forum, it’s certainly not threatening any particular identifiable groups in society (apart from the RAF and Gypsies) it’s definiyly not a security risk to anyone/law and order.
Rather than continual agreement as per the echo chamber theory every **** disagrees with everyone else.

What this bint is bumping her gums about is closed social media groups chatting away in secret, with a degree of screening for entry and not being “policed” by moderators or the firm hand of “normal” advertisers.
Places where RGJ and other racist bigots aren‘t policed by general consent rather actually agreed with

Places of recruitment of bigger idiots to do bad shit
The problem is that laws enacted for the best of reasons can be hijacked by people with other agendas:

Half of councils use anti-terror laws to spy on 'bin crimes'

I would suggest that we use the laws we have to the fullest effect before introducing any new ones, particularly where the criteria is essentially subjective and wide open to abuse.
 
#62
#64
Something is brewing. I'm trying to articulate it best I can, but I can't.
Well, you had a bloody good try:).
I take your point regarding, “if you’re not paying for a product online- it’s your content which is the product being sold.”
Your contention seems to be that eventually that’s something that is resented. I’m not sure that members here will get a cockstand about that- it’s seen as quid pro quo.
 
#65
The problem is that laws enacted for the best of reasons can be hijacked by people with other agendas:

Half of councils use anti-terror laws to spy on 'bin crimes'

I would suggest that we use the laws we have to the fullest effect before introducing any new ones, particularly where the criteria is essentially subjective and wide open to abuse.
Precisely this. The full, and proper, application of current laws will cover most situations, more cheaply and easily than the introduction of new, untested legislation, which will be both challenged through the courts, and abused by those tasked with using it. As has been seen so many times before.
 
#66
The problem is that laws enacted for the best of reasons can be hijacked by people with other agendas:

Half of councils use anti-terror laws to spy on 'bin crimes'

I would suggest that we use the laws we have to the fullest effect before introducing any new ones, particularly where the criteria is essentially subjective and wide open to abuse.
Agree entirely, use the laws you have correctly

There is some good statistics in a Ben GoldAcre article about the concept of data mining / finding terrorists through algorithms down to their internet usage and how it just doesn’t work

Data mining for bad guys doesn’t work
 
#67
It was a proper question. You can get pretty much anything on the internet in the UK.
Ok, from what little I know, a lot of it covers porn and restricted info re banned groups and things like manufacturing weapons and such.

As a personal example, when doing a college course {mumble} years ago, I stumbled across detailed instructions for how to make TNT. I have long since forgotten the details, other than being shocked how easy the process is.
 
#68
Ok, from what little I know, a lot of it covers porn and restricted info re banned groups and things like manufacturing weapons and such.

As a personal example, when doing a college course {mumble} years ago, I stumbled across detailed instructions for how to make TNT. I have long since forgotten the details, other than being shocked how easy the process is.
You can access most if not all of that via Google. Some site visits might result in a visit from plod but it's not censored. Go to Thailand and you can't even access the Daily Mail site.
 
#70
As stated above, the censorship exists, it's just shit, and easily circumvented.
How is it censored if no one is stopping you accessing the sites via Google?
 
#71
Agree entirely, use the laws you have correctly

There is some good statistics in a Ben GoldAcre article about the concept of data mining / finding terrorists through algorithms down to their internet usage and how it just doesn’t work

Data mining for bad guys doesn’t work
Of course

If X did work - I would be saying it didn't in order to encourage undesirables to use X - so im never sure about such claims.

I dont know if that makes me a Cynic, a conspiraloon or just an untrustworthy cynical bar steward
 
#72
I see Momentum has banned Sun jurnos covering their conference, they don’t like the messenger, all well and good their choice but they are denying accesss to possible future Labour voters.
 
#73
On a positive note, a lot of the Facebook groups inundated with the Ex-Army Pensioner Brigades, will be closed down.....every cloud and all that..
 
#74
Online Forums - Hansard

Tbh looking at the first reading its just a long convoluted way of asking facebook to put mods in closed groups over a certain size. Would probably be easier to just ask them than waste parliamentary time on a very niche issue.
 
#75
You can access most if not all of that via Google. Some site visits might result in a visit from plod but it's not censored. Go to Thailand and you can't even access the Daily Mail site.
Ref your last point: you can if you download the app.
 
#78
There's posters on here that have said they would to much worse than that!!!
That website gives you some truley awful choices of who you'd do. First one they gave me was Abbott or Thornbury. And without the comparatively attractive third option of just cut my cock off now.

What I don't get is while those two are 3rd and 2nd worst rated Caroline Lucas is below them. Don't like her politics but she can scrub up quite nicely.
 

Sarastro

LE
Kit Reviewer
Book Reviewer
#79
Agree entirely, use the laws you have correctly

There is some good statistics in a Ben GoldAcre article about the concept of data mining / finding terrorists through algorithms down to their internet usage and how it just doesn’t work

Data mining for bad guys doesn’t work
That's a good article on the statistical effects it's talking about, as are most of the articles from Ben Goldacre.

Unfortunately, he seems to have zero understanding of how terrorist suspects are identified and the kind of algorithms (in the proper sense of a decision process) that are used, which mean that he's arguing against a straw man that doesn't actually exist.

So in a way, I guess, he's right. Applying a 'test' to data sets to ID terrorism doesn't work. But then I doubt anyone serious was suggesting that.*

* Also unfortunately, these days "anyone serious" relating to technical anything rules out all politicians and most senior public servants.
 
#80
You can access most if not all of that via Google. Some site visits might result in a visit from plod but it's not censored. Go to Thailand and you can't even access the Daily Mail site.

So Thailand has scenery, cuisine and sensible internet restrictions going for it.
 

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