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Stamp Out Online Echo Chambers

#42
And that's the rub. It's a "Bill with good intentions" but when combined with existing/future "hate" speech legislation, Article 11 and 13 being passed by the EU, it smacks of Big Brother.
No, it smacks of Jeremy's team trying to instill their will although they're not in power.
 
#44
Could this be the end of ARRSE? Lucy Powell MP wants to stamp out closed groups and "By establishing legal accountability for what’s published in large online forums" which could include this forum. And let's face it in this PC world we ain't. Initial reading has passed and second reading is October. Are we doomed or is this a storm in a tea cup?
Why I am seeking to stamp out online echo chambers of hate | Lucy Powell

http://www.itv.com/news/granada/201...p-fights-for-crackdown-on-online-hate-groups/
Haha! A nice one.
 

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#45
I would be for it if it also put an end to left wing echo chambers, i.e. the sort of places where they plot the downfall of ARRSE and other sites that they find uncomfortable.
do you seriously think Guardianistas and the Momentum spods waste time spooling through this drivel ? ;-) Ain't nobody here but us chickens
 
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#48
In the Victims of Oppression Top Trumps enhanced melanin content beats all other categories on any card.
I beg to differ, the Ant-semitism card is very strong, almost unassailable this season
 
#50
It's not the end of arrse. Which is both an echo chamber and forum for opposing thought and debate. It's the end of the internet.

Forums were marked out to die a few years back. It will take a few years still. But there won't be any forums in 2030. You laugh, but you never even had a concept of what a forum was even 20 years ago, most of you. We're just at the median point.

This seems to be going after people who do such naughty things like setting up Discord servers. It's a bit like saying you can't send a letter to your mum or phone your mate, because that's private and you are up to no good and we will not allow it.

More totalitarian bullshit from those that don't understand the internet. Well, it's inverted Totalitarianism really, with a healthy dose of Anarcho Tyranny thrown in. Selectively enforced rules against those that the bully boys don't like.

Free speech for me but not for thee.

Arrse is an incredible website. It does things that other websites can only dream about. It fulfills a role and is very functional and utilitarian for many of its users. It's also in the dark ages with regard to free speech (I understand why, not knocking it - free speech doesn't really exist anywhere anyway). And more than that it's so behind the times, generally speaking, of what is happening now, and is about to happen.

So Arrse is safe. It provides more status quo reinforcement. It doesn't kick against the pricks. It's a safe site. People can rant, people can go hog wild sometimes - it's an outlet. It's allowed to exist. And in exchange, a contract is enforced. Certain words shall not be used. Certain ideas shall not be put forward.

It's ok. It's better that way. It needs to be that way, in fact. It's its own little club. A small but very influential part of the internet.

They won't come for arrse. Not for a while yet anyway.

Forums are just a dying medium anyway. I've written about this a lot and can't be bothered to go through it again. Basically, everyone who has a computer is already connected to the net and involved in whatever forum takes their fancy. Familiarity breeds contempt. Some people make friends and form 'in-groups' but most of us are on the outside looking in, providing 'free content' for you all. Providing amusements for you to laugh at. And after a while, it gets old. What you put in and don't get back becomes a good reason to just become indifferent.

Again, not talking personally, but generally. Familiarity does indeed breed contempt. I love arrse. I love its sheer unbridled brutality. Though it is being sanitized, which is both a good and a bad thing, I just have to go along with the ride.

Certain words may be banned, but certain ways of expressing certain things have not been ruled out by the content filter yet. Man will always find a way to cut another man down. With just one word, or with a sequence of them.

Arrse is not an echo chamber. Despite my initial protestations in my opening sentence. There is a lot of good conflict here. The people who run the site must have to fight to keep this going. It's one of the last places on the net you can have a good row, at least with people who you semi-respect. You can fall out and still be good friends in the morning if you are man enough. Not everyone is. But many are. This is just my observation anyway.

Arrse is also that most rarest of things: a place on the internet that is allowed to exist for data mining purposes. So many people, with their situational awareness guard down, freely giving up all those personal details and thoughts. Gold Mine!

And the thoughts and opinions of people who post on this site really matter. They are held in high regard, believe it or not. For more than one reason. This will go on with the owners of the site totally oblivious to it, I should imagine. It's probably something they don't want to think about. No one wants to think about it.

It's a place to let off steam. It's pretty much self-policing. It works.

But if you think that this will be a sounding board or step off point for like minded souls to set up a Discord server to talk about, say, the problems that face Europe right now, well, there's a law for that, coming in to internetshire very soon for you.

Freedom of expression is ok up to a point. So as we know what you are thinking. And freedom of association is ok to, up to a point, to see who you are mixing with. But more than that? We will nip you in the bud. Because we know you know. We know you want our heads on sticks. And we will do everything to shut you down before it ever gets to that stage.

But all this is moot really.

It's the major platforms like youtube where the real battle lies. And that is already won. They have shut it down. Shadow banning is rife. They have teams of real life people monitoring 'bad actors' in real time. It's the Stasi on steroids. And it's reality. De-platformed and un-personed.

Arrse is not where the good fight is being fought. Not in that sense anyway. There will be no revolution here. So it's safe.

On youtube, however, well, there is a call to arms, for bloody revolution. The people want this. They want to make it happen. They want to die for what they believe in. They are ready to give their lives. So they say. So they think. Their lives have become so dull and they are so desensitized to every day day affairs, they feel like they have nothing to lose. They wouldn't be the first people in history or through the ages to feel this ennui.

That is where we're at. As a society.

Youtube, though, is also where the greatest censorship is taking place. A few dozen nuts on a discord server? Jokes.

I suppose it's a good thing that most people are so small minded and petty and prepared to cut their nose off to spite their face. Otherwise we'd all be in some real trouble by now. I've watched these would be revolutionaries and they really are Citizen Smith types. Human nature. So many want to be the leader of the glorious revolution.

They will stamp out the online echo chambers. But they can only do it by destroying the internet, which they have half-way completed by now anyway.

If a true technological alternative ever springs up, well, there's 20 percent of the population ready to go - more than enough for a revolution - and then there will be heads on sticks.

The beast is afraid. It is lashing out. It is making mistakes. They are hysterical. This will be their downfall.

We just want to live in peace, but they will not let us.

The game is already over with data rape and privacy rape of the average citizen/subject. Banning a few 'private groups' won't matter now.

But no, arrse will be safe.

All the while, men huddle in darkened corners, trying to find a way. No government legislation can account for them and their deeds.

Haystacks, needles. Not enough man power to sift it all. So the 'government' has decided to get in to a bit of asymmetric warfare themselves.

It didn't have to be this way. So much fear. Most people just want to live in peace and share ideas of how to make all our lives better.

Maybe I'm just talking shit. I'm just trying to send some notes from the edge. Something is brewing. I'm trying to articulate it best I can, but I can't.
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#51
Could this be the end of ARRSE? Lucy Powell MP wants to stamp out closed groups and "By establishing legal accountability for what’s published in large online forums" which could include this forum. And let's face it in this PC world we ain't. Initial reading has passed and second reading is October. Are we doomed or is this a storm in a tea cup?
Why I am seeking to stamp out online echo chambers of hate | Lucy Powell

http://www.itv.com/news/granada/201...p-fights-for-crackdown-on-online-hate-groups/
Probably. Governments everywhere seem determined to follow the Iran/China model of censoring free speech online. This is just another example.
 
#52
Arrse isn’t a closed group, therefore doesn’t meet the first criteria, and isn’t occupied by those who follow one line of thought.

The second element on accountability for content could be an issue, however currently the ‘anything goes’ areas of arrse aren’t as weapons free as some people think. The powers that be do have rules
It would be interesting to see what they come up with as criteria to hold the owners liable on content
On the one line of thought point I thought everyone here worships the God of Beer?

On the matter of how to deal with unpleasantness aren't we often told not to ban such groups as it would merely drive them underground and so even more difficult to manage? Will we not see such as they have in mind migrate hosting to outside the UK where they a) cannot be policed and b) will be available for anyone here in the UK to access.

The Government still seems to be thinking in terms of physical borders that can be patrolled, the digital age seems to have passed them by.
 

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#54
#55
If she is talking about it as a serious CT or crime prevention measure she probably needs to understand better what existing powers police and intelligence agencies have to get inside these 'closed' groups.
 
#56
On the one line of thought point I thought everyone here worships the God of Beer?

On the matter of how to deal with unpleasantness aren't we often told not to ban such groups as it would merely drive them underground and so even more difficult to manage? Will we not see such as they have in mind migrate hosting to outside the UK where they a) cannot be policed and b) will be available for anyone here in the UK to access.

The Government still seems to be thinking in terms of physical borders that can be patrolled, the digital age seems to have passed them by.
Not necessarily true. The internet is quite heavily censored in the UK. There are ways round it, but many don't know how, or bother, subverting the restrictions.
 
#57
I am sure this has nothing at all to do with the fragrant Ms Powell being rated at 124th out of the 188 female MP's on the "sexymp" website.

To save you the trouble.
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#58
Not necessarily true. The internet is quite heavily censored in the UK. There are ways round it, but many don't know how, or bother, subverting the restrictions.
What is censored? I've never tried searching for kiddie porn but I've found racism, ISIS murderers, drug taking, fighting, sites to gamble, buy booze, buy weapons (Even legal guns although the site warns that your countries customs may stop them), tips on crimes, etc. I think all of that was through Google.
 
#59
Arrse isn’t a single issue forum, it’s certainly not threatening any particular identifiable groups in society (apart from the RAF and Gypsies) it’s definiyly not a security risk to anyone/law and order.
Rather than continual agreement as per the echo chamber theory every **** disagrees with everyone else.

What this bint is bumping her gums about is closed social media groups chatting away in secret, with a degree of screening for entry and not being “policed” by moderators or the firm hand of “normal” advertisers.
Places where RGJ and other racist bigots aren‘t policed by general consent rather actually agreed with

Places of recruitment of bigger idiots to do bad shit
 
#60
What is censored? I've never tried searching for kiddie porn but I've found racism, ISIS murderers, drug taking, fighting, sites to gamble, buy booze, buy weapons (Even legal guns although the site warns that your countries customs may stop them), tips on crimes, etc. I think all of that was through Google.
Not biting, thanks for trying though.
 

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