Staff Car Drivers - A viable appointment?

#1
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A lance jack who works in my section has just been told that he's on a short list to drive some 1 star - he never even applied for the job and it's not in his job spec (?)

Obviously, I as a section comd don't want to lose a decent and hard working lance jack, but it got me thinking about the job of Handbaggers, in an environment where we're short manned as it is, is it still viable in the Army's interests to have Staff Car drivers? Are there any more cost and man effective methods? Didn't the Army invest hundreds of thousands of pounds into video link conferencing a few years back? Isn't it a career staller?

At C.O level, why can't the C.O have a pool of drivers who alternate the duties on a weekly basis, therefore allowing most to carry on normal jogging?

I raised the issue with 2 old and bold Sgts in my CoC, they told me that ALL Staff Car positions (even those for Infantry Officers) are going to the RLC, not sure I believe that one though.
 
#2
My comiserations if that is the case. On occasions this used to be the COs dogsbody role often designated to mongoloid biffs. Face it, there is hardly an operational role driving a staff car so it is pretty much a waste of time pulling a soldier to do it.
 
#3
sarge_massage_my_passage said:
At C.O level, why can't the C.O have a pool of drivers who alternate the duties on a weekly basis, therefore allowing most to carry on normal jogging?
I think it so the driver knows where he is going instead of constantly getting directions from the CO, He knows what to expect without having to be briefed every week.

I've alway thought it to be a cushy number not only do you get all the perks (nice hotels, no execises/duties, driving in civvies sometimes) it also gets your face known throughout the regiment, All of the CO/Brigadier drivers I've known seem to be switched on otherwise the officer would bin them.
 
#4
We tend to put soldiers in that type of job who need their profile raising with a bit of face time with the boss. It can work wonders when reporting on some one.
 
#5
I used to have to drive the Regt 2ic when the CO and his driver were on leave. Bloody hard work! Normal day job followed by an evening function. Drop him at his MQ about 0200, pick him up again at 0730. JSP 356? 9/11 hrs off between duties? I don't think so!! :x

Handbaggers are welcome to it.

P-T
 
#6
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Okay, I understand it at Regimental level for Privates who need face time etc. But what about the higher echelons of the Army.

Is it really productive taking NCO's out of their day job to drive someone about?
 
#8
gasmark9 said:
Isn't driving people about THE day job of the driver trades in the RLC :lol: typical Trog, complaining about having to do their job :D
:? , the lance jack I'm referring to is a Communications Specialist. Why take someone who deals with Comms out of their trade?
 
#9
sarge_massage_my_passage said:
gasmark9 said:
Isn't driving people about THE day job of the driver trades in the RLC :lol: typical Trog, complaining about having to do their job :D
:? , the lance jack I'm referring to is a Communications Specialist. Why take someone who deals with Comms out of their trade?
It's so your boss can have deep meaningful conversations instead of listening to radio 4 :p
 
#10
Dumb question time, what is meant by a 'handbag' job?
 
#11
gasmark9 said:
Isn't driving people about THE day job of the driver trades in the RLC :lol: typical Trog, complaining about having to do their job :D
Trog!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Cheeky sod, was never that low! :lol:

P-T
 
#12
sarge_massage_my_passage said:
:? , the lance jack I'm referring to is a Communications Specialist. Why take someone who deals with Comms out of their trade?
Sorry but before trade upsexing wasn't a Communications Specialist a DRIVER/Rad op.

It seems to me that M&RO have chosen someone who seems to be a good NCO, to go off and do a high profile job driving a Brigadier. Me personally I can't think why in this day of modern battlefield comms a Brigadier would need someone who knows his way round Bowman. :?

Maybe this guy needs to take a rain check and see this for what it is. It will be hard work; it will be pissing around running after his nibs. But if he does well at it, his nibs will be writing his next 2 possibly 3 CR’s and the fact that it is a high profile job will carry some weight on the promotion board.

Maybe you should think about this soldier’s career and not about making your life easier.
 
#13
Probably the most important role in the regiment:

CO is taken to the Offrs' Mess and given a brief
RSM is taken to the Sgts' Mess and given a brief

CO's driver wanders round (unless taken to the brew room and entertained) and speaks to the lads on the shop floor.

Guess who goes first on the drive home....

msr
 
#14
The use of a Dvr/ Rad Op in this instance is correct. See below:

It is with deep regret that the MOD must announce the untimely death of Brig Cockington-Smythe. Smythe was transiting between MOD Main Building and his gentlemans club, when his vehicle left the road and entered Waterloo Station where it colided with 432 civilians. After driving for 5 minutes in big circles and tooting it's horn the vehicle took a left turn and entered the underground station where it colided with and destroyed the barriers that people put their ticket thingies in. The vehicle immediately burst into flames killing another 172 people including the Brigadier and his driver. The MOD have conducted a full investigation and black box recordings have identified that immediatley prior to the incident the Brigadier had asked the driver to "turn the radio over from that fat cunt Moyles to Kiss FM as it is playing some banging tunes". The driver involved was not a Rad Op and it is believed that this request to 'multi task' immediatley overwhelmed his ability to keep the vehicle on the main carriageway. Black box recordings also revealed that the Brigadier had called the Driver an 'incompetent turd' precisley 2 seconds before the vehicle blew up in the underground. The MOD has stipulated that all Staff Drivers must hold the Comm Spec qualification if the vehicle is fitted with a radio/ tape deck combi. Cockington - Smythe leaves behind a wife and 1 child.
 
#16
sarge_massage_my_passage said:
At C.O level, why can't the C.O have a pool of drivers who alternate the duties on a weekly basis, therefore allowing most to carry on normal jogging?
This happens in 11 Regt. Although the job is slightly different to normal staff car duties in that the drivers have to be Police Advanced Qualified.

sarge_massage_my_passage said:
I raised the issue with 2 old and bold Sgts in my CoC, they told me that ALL Staff Car positions (even those for Infantry Officers) are going to the RLC, not sure I believe that one though.
I can believe this. DRLC gets all excited about the E2 posts that the RLC fulfill (there are more RLC soldiers in E2 posts than there are personnel in the RAC (Not the motoring organisation)).
 
#17
I spent my forst 4 years in a semi-staff car unit (14 Sqn RCT) at HQ 1(BR) Corps. One troop was staff cars and other staff officer and HQ vehicke support and the other BSV's and 439s (lots of).
The staff car drivers were divided into 2 sides. Allocated, who were the permanent driver for the full colonels and above (Lt Cols walked or drove thier own cars) up to the corps commander. And pool drivers who did random visiting officer pick ups and drop offs. The allocated drivers were the full time driver for their officer and many stuck by them for the duration of their careers, including postings etc, in fact when I left the guy who was on my JMQC yeas ago had stuck by his boss and was a WOII to my lance jack! He was driving the Comd UKLF since he was a Brig though.
I wouldn't do it at that level. It was long hours, and when their bosses were socialising they had to work. A lot of them enjoyed it though as effectively you were left alone once your boss was in his office or on a visit and they had plenty of time to themselves, just not neccercerily when they wanted it. Most who saw staff cars as theior careers went on to gain some pretty juicy qualifications, and I know of 2 earning a LOT of dough in the UK driving very high profile CEOs.
I'm still glad I didn't go down that route when offered though.
 
#18
Whatever the Hire company give, normally Vectra/Mondeo type thing.
 
#19
As an ADC to a 2* General I found the GOC's driver the most important man in the office; I trusted him completely, he was intelligent and he looked after the boss. He was A Cpl then, he is a Sgt now and driving for the same officer. Driving Senior Officers is seen by many as a dicking/cr*p job but it is also a position of responsibility where a high level of discretion is required; Staff Car drivers hear everything and it is also useful to have a starred officer taking an interest in your career. THe days of Senior Officers (1* upward) having a driver from their old Regiment are past - all senior officers now get RLC drivers, especially those that have a 'dark past' who require drivers who are 'high threat' trained.
I would say it is a good career opportunity that should not be ignored.
 
#20
During the days of the 1000 plus manned big old Signal Regiments. For the R Sigs combat driver trade (as it was then) CO,s driver was looked at as a plum job. Especially if you wanted the first step on the promotion ladder. Something that was not exactly swift for a R Sigs driver. It also ment during long drives with the boss you were able to blag yourself onto all manner of MT courses & really enhance your future carear. A R Sigs driver back then was basicly a B3 RCT driver wearing a R Sigs capbadge but rarely had the chance of licence upgrades & courses open to thier RCT counterparts. Being CO,s driver helped that & got your first step on the ladder to boot.

LT
 

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